Did anyone notice today the line in paragraph 14 of the study (w13 9/15 p. 14) that said, “Hence, in 1922, J. F. Rutherford, who took the lead in the preaching work…”
One of our objectives with this site to unmask falsehood and present truth. This may not seem like a big issue, but given the importance that has recently been attributed to Judge Rutherford as being the faithful and discreet slave during his tenure at headquarters, it should be made clear that he didn’t actually participate in the door-to-door work. He preached from the platform extensively, but in the context of this paragraph and in the mind of any true blue JW reading it, the preaching work means the door-to-door work and Rutherford did not take the lead in that because he didn’t share in it…at all!
What is the exact documented source(book,magazine,etc.)where Judge Rutherford started teaching the doctrine of the 144,000?
[…] There is also the art of teaching from door to door. This is certainly considered in large part to determine an appointment of a Christian overseer in the congregation. In this regard it is noteworthy that there is no evidence that Rutherford ever engaged in the door to door preaching. […]
Coming up on 100 years of kingdom rule since 1914. That leaves 900 years of a 1,000 year reign. Hope something really gets done by then.
Recently I asked an elder about 1914. Jesus has been supossedly since then the King over his Kingdom and present/ parousia. But can there be the Kingdom without 144000? And to what or to whom has been his Kingship directed since then? Any biblical support? But if so, there must had been first resurrection until 1914. JMO. We know, this is not the case. His answer was, 144000 are ment to be with Christ together after Harmagedon in paradise. This is clear to me, but this doesn’t make any sence, since this would mean, thas Christ aka King since 1914… Read more »
Hi Dany,
You make an excellent point. We love to use math (the 2,520 years) to ‘prove’ that 1914 is the date the Messianic kingdom assumed power. However we ignore the even easier math that it he rules for a 1,000 years with the 144,000. If his rule is already 100 years old, then he’s only got 900 left, but that means the 144,000 don’t get to rule for 1,000 years, which contradicts Scripture. No satisfactory explanation has ever been advanced to explain this math puzzle.
Meleti
Thank you Meleti, this was exactly my point.
There is a lot of schizophrenia about WTS.
I just wonder how Jehovah (better say Jesus) will judge all those (possibly us too) in Harmageddon, because when someone today refuses WTS for what it is with good conciense. i on my part would just fully understand..
IMO, the judment will be much more complex as the 8 guys proclame.
I remember one ultimate statement of another elder some 25 years ago. Hier how it goes:
Those, we would expect to see after Haramgeddon, we will not see, but we will see there those we would not expect to see…
On top of that we have the variance between the Jewish lunar calendar and the Roman solar calendar followed by the Gregorian calendar. If you work it out, there seems to be a discrepancy of quite a few days and when we are going by the rule “a day for a year, a day for a year” then that can run into a considerable time difference in working out the 7 times period between 607 BC and 1914 CE period. On top of that, there is absolutely no historical proof that Jerusalem was totally destroyed along with it’s temple in… Read more »
When did that point come in I was always taught that the ressurection began early in the lords day ie shortly after 19 14. I remember one of our elders discussing brother franz just after his death and saying just think he’s up there with christ now. Is this new light that I should have been keeping up with brothers. This doctrine of christs second and third coming. Is half hard to get your head around. Kev
Oh looks like the 1000 year reign hasn’t started yet. Feb 2014 1st study article para 19
Hi key, 🙂 Is this the paragraph you were referring to above: Link: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20140215/hail-christ-glorious-king/ 19. How will Christ “go on to victory” and complete his conquest? 19 After destroying Satan’s wicked system of things on earth, Christ ‘in his splendor’ will “go on to victory.” (Ps. 45:4) He will complete his conquest by abyssing Satan and his demons for the full length of the Thousand Year Reign. (Rev. 20:2, 3) With the Devil and his angels then in a state of deathlike inactivity, earth’s inhabitants will be free of satanic influence and will be able to live in total subjection… Read more »
Yes thanks observer 17 that’s the one.
“In a similar way, at the beginning of the 20th century, there were a number of wrong expectations among true Christians regarding “the last days.” (2 Tim. 3:1) For instance, in the year 1914, some thought that their being taken to heaven was imminent. When their hopes were not immediately realized, an earnest reexamination of the Scriptures brought into focus that a great preaching campaign lay ahead. (Mark 13:10) Hence, in 1922, J. F. Rutherford, who then took the lead in the preaching work, told those assembled at the international convention at Cedar Point, Ohio, U.S.A.: “Behold, the King reigns!… Read more »
If these comments are right looks like the ministry of truth has been hard at work again. Take care the ministry of love is the next stop.
I believe this scripture is very fitting when adding to your comment.
Colossians 1
12 ¶ giving thanks to the Father, who has made us fit for a share of the inheritance of the saints in light,
13 who delivered us out of the authority of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
This was a paragraph I commented on during the C.O visits today. I said that “according to the proclaimers book, the society taught that the gentile times had ended, the end of false religion and governments were at hand , the earthly and heavenly resurrection was soon to take place and the paradise would follow how happy we are the brother’s humbly accepted correction and began to preach in fulfillment of Mark 16:10”. I got alot of “that was an interesting comment” and even a ” I see you studied your lesson” from the C.O. It is extremely irritating that… Read more »
The pararaph said ” some thought” as if they arrived at these ideas on their own . It is very annoying. If “some thought” this and at the time the “slave ” knew that this was an incorrect assumption … why not correct their understanding? It is because the WTS led the brothers to that conclusion but refuse to accept responsibilty for it .
Hebrews 2: “Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him; 9 but we behold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels, crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, that he by God’s undeserved kindness might taste death for every [man]. 10 For it was fitting for the one for whose sake all things are and through whom all things are, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the Chief Agent of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both he who is sanctifying and those who are being sanctified all [stem] from… Read more »
Very sound reasoning. That you for that “Come Lord Jesus”.
All the emphasis on Rutherford is really about the organization as he really is the foundation of this organizational structure we have today, it seems everything today is about the organization and those that are the figure heads, like Rutherford and the GB. Just recently there was a picture of one of the GB going door to door, think it was the Tasmanian, if Rutherford did go door to door, I am sure that the WT would have a picture to show in the WT also. No doubt the organization and the GB rulers have taken on a more noticable… Read more »
Good point. This “organization” these buildings or hierarchy they have established is not the means of salvation. Only Jesus is. If you put your trust in nobles you are a fool. People will disappoint you and will let you down without fail. To ask Jehovah’s people for obedience is presumptuous and way out of line with the scriptures. Even the apostle Paul who had clear evidence of Jehovah’s appointment through Jesus only asked us to be IMITATORS of him as he was of the Christ.
I was severely annoyed by this paragraph. Among other things as usual. I’m sorry that song I believe it’s116 the “light getting ever brighter” is like nails on a chalkboard.
Let’s not forget about the closing song which ends with these words:
So worship him wholeheartedly
Forever as his friend.
“Forever as his friend”, but never as his son? Even in songs they undermine our relationship with our heavenly Father.
Exactly …. “The time has arrived, the Messiah now reigns, The proof of his presence is clear.” Is it that clear ? sigh…….
Oh that part about being forever his friend … I didn’t sing that part. I kept thinking the whole time during the prayer… how this silent protest is affecting me. I stay in prayer to Jehovah continually to help me find peace and let go of the anger and resentment
The music itself is nauseating enough. But to sing…
“Our Lord has appointed a trustworthy slave,
Through whom He gives food in due season.
The light of the truth has grown brighter with time,
Appealing to heart and to reason”
…would have made me heave. What’s truly amazing is that I found myself wondering if the CO was watching who was singing and who wasn’t.
I forgot about that part in the song *shudders*
Most of the songs I refuse to sing and I’m sure there are those who wonder why since I’m considered one of the better singers in the congregation. What nauseates me most is the governing body’s attitude that the puts new songbook on the same level as the inspired Psalms. Prayers too. Most I cannot say ‘amen’ to because they are not prayers of my heart but a Pharisaical heart, like the one thanking God that “I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even as this tax collector” next to me! Oh help! We have… Read more »
I think this is one of the main problems smoulderingwick. Flying right in the face many well known scriptures. Many in the organisation have an extreemly judgemental attitude and it seems to go right from the top to the bottom. It always has sickened me when any scripture that has a bad connotation was always applied to christendom which really means everyone else who calls themselves a christian apart from the witnesses. And this doctrine of 1914 and the brothers being the restored congregation has lead the elders on to try and cleanse the congregation. So even the least little… Read more »
As long as they keep applying those scriptures to Christendom and not to our congregation they will not allow the scriputres to “reprove” them thus” setting them straight”. I have never adopted this 1914 doctrine ever . I always thought that this along with the generation stumbles would be clarified. I use to think what is the big deal ? But i had not realized until I came across this site how entrenched this doctrine is in our teachings. I still believe the most horrible falsehood is the teaching s surronding the“ great crowd” and “ anointed class”. It is… Read more »
Nice catch. When I began researching Rutherford’s tenure I found a mine of information from a host of sources. Even when I discounted those sources which were vitriolic and nasty, and allowed for the benefit of the doubt on other curious details, I still found the record of his real conduct and pronouncements overwhelmingly accurate. The Society has worked hard to reinvent Rutherford as some sort of loving father figure. The reality is they have no choice but to accept him as being a piece in their unbroken road from 1914 to ” the new system of things”. Isn’t it… Read more »
The Spanish translation team is every ready to catch and correct those errors.
They said, Rutherford “who at that time was directing the work…”
We know that Rutherford dismissed the majority of directors, as appointed by Russell in his will as an editorial board; therefore “directing the work [solely]” seems accurate.
In the book on Acts we recently studied at the Bible Study, the Spanish translation team when referring to the first century “governing body” used ‘the apostles and older men in Jerusalem’.
Do I sense a closet rebellion? 🙂
He took the lead by preaching in print and preaching in phonograph recordings. Why, I’m sure there isn’t a Witness of that era that didn’t preach with Rutherford . . . on phongraph! LOL.