Mu gawo la 1 pamutuwu, tidasanthula malembo achiheberi (Chipangano Chakale) kuti tiwone zomwe adavumbulutsa za Mwana wa Mulungu, Logos. M'magawo otsalawa, tikambirana mfundo zosiyanasiyana za choonadi zomwe zimafotokozedwa za Yesu m'Malemba achikhristu.
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Pamene kulembedwa kwa Baibulo kunatsala pang'ono kutha, Yehova anauzira Mtumwi Yohane wokalambayo kuti avumbule zowona zofunika ponena za kukhalako kwa Yesu asanakhale munthu. John adawulula dzina lake anali "Mawu" (Logos, cholinga chathu pophunzira) mundime yoyamba ya uthenga wake wabwino. Ndizokayikitsa kuti mungapeze gawo la Lemba lomwe lakhala likukambidwa kwambiri, kusanthula ndikukambirana kuposa Yohane 1: 1,2. Nazi zitsanzo za njira zosiyanasiyana zomwe zamasuliridwa:
"Pachiyambi panali Mawu, ndipo Mawu anali ndi Mulungu, ndipo Mawu anali mulungu. Iyeyu anali paciyambi kwa Mulungu. ”- New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures - NWT
"Pamene dziko lidayamba, Mawu adalipo kale. Mawu anali ndi Mulungu, ndipo mawonekedwe a Mawu anali ofanana ndi chikhalidwe cha Mulungu. Mawu anali pomwepo pachiyambi ndi Mulungu. ”- The New Testament lolemba William Barclay
"Dziko lapansi lisanapangidwe, Mawu anali kale ndi moyo; anali ndi Mulungu, ndipo anali yemweyo monga Mulungu. Kuyambira pa chiyambi Mawu anali ndi Mulungu. ”- Good News Bible in Today's English Version - TEV
"Pachiyambi panali Mawu, ndipo Mawu anali ndi Mulungu, ndipo Mawu anali Mulungu. Awa anali paciyambi kwa Mulungu. ”(John 1: 1 American Standard Version - ASV)
"Pachiyambi panali Mawu, ndipo Mawu anali ndi Mulungu, ndipo Mawuyo anali Mulungu wathunthu. Mawu anali ndi Mulungu pa chiyambi. ”(John 1: 1 NET Bible)
"Pa chiyambi isanakhale nthawi yonse] anali Mawu (Kristu), ndipo Mawu anali ndi Mulungu, ndipo Mawu anali Mulungu Mwini. Adalipo kuchokera kwa Mulungu. ”- The Amplified New Testament Bible - AB
Matembenuzidwe ambiri otchuka amatsimikizira kumasulira kwa American Standard Version kupatsa owerenga Chingerezi kumvetsetsa kuti Logos anali Mulungu. Ochepa, monga Mabaibulo a NET ndi AB, amapitilira zolemba zoyambirira poyesa kuchotsa kukayikira konse kuti Mulungu ndi Mawu ali ofanana. Kumbali inayi ya equation, pang'ono podziwika pomasulira tsopano, ndi NWT yokhala ndi "... Mawu anali Mulungu".
Chisokonezo chomwe chimapereka kwa owerenga Baibulo oyambirirawo chikuwonekera kumasulira komwe adapereka NET Bible, chifukwa limafunsa funso ili: "Kodi zingatheke bwanji kuti Mawu akhale Mulungu wathunthu komanso kukhalabe kunja kwa Mulungu kuti akhale ndi Mulungu?"
Zowona kuti izi zikuwoneka ngati zikutsutsana ndi malingaliro amunthu sizimapangitsa izi kukhala zowona. Tonsefe timavutika ndi chowonadi chakuti Mulungu alibe chiyambi, chifukwa sitingathe kumvetsetsa zopanda malire. Kodi Mulungu adali kuvumbula lingaliro lofananalo kudzera mwa Yohane? Kapena lingaliro ili ndi lochokera kwa amuna?
Funso limayambira pamenepa: Kodi Logos ndi Mulungu kapena ayi?
Nkhani ya Pesky yopanda malire
Ambiri amatsutsa New World Translation chifukwa chokomera JW-centric, makamaka pakuyika dzina la Mulungu mu NT popeza silipezeka m'mipukutu yakale iliyonse. Ngakhale zitakhala zotani, ngati titakana kutanthauzira kwa Baibulo chifukwa chakusankhana m'malemba ena, timayenera kuchotsa onse. Sitikufuna kuti tizingokondera tokha. Chifukwa chake tiyeni tiwone mamasulidwe a NWT a Yohane 1: 1 payekhapayekha.
Zingadabwitse owerenga ena kupeza kuti mawu oti "... Mawu anali mulungu" siwofanana ndi NWT. M'malo mwake, ena Matanthauzidwe osiyanasiyana a 70 gwiritsani ntchito kapena zina zofanana nazo. Nayi zitsanzo:
- 1935 "Ndipo Mawuyo anali waumulungu" - The Bible — An American Translation, lolembedwa ndi John MP Smith ndi Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.
- 1955 "Motero Mawu anali aumulungu" - The Authentic New Testament, lolembedwa ndi Hugh J. Schonfield, Aberdeen.
- 1978 "Ndipo mawonekedwe a Mulungu anali Logos" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, wolemba Johannes Schneider, Berlin.
- 1822 "Ndipo Mawu anali mulungu." - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.);
- 1863 "Ndipo Mawu anali mulungu." - A Literal Translation Of The New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863);
- 1885 "Ndipo Mawu anali mulungu." - Concise Commentary On The Holy Bible (Achichepere, 1885);
- 1879 "Ndipo Mawu anali mulungu." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979);
- 1911 "Ndipo Mawu anali mulungu." - Coptic Version ya NT (GW Horner, 1911);
- 1958 "Ndipo Mawu anali mulungu." - Chipangano Chatsopano cha Ambuye Wathu ndi Mpulumutsi Wodzozedwa Yesu ”(JL Tomanec, 1958);
- 1829 "Ndipo Mawu anali mulungu." - Monotessaron; kapena, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (JS Thompson, 1829);
- 1975 "Ndipo Mawu anali mulungu." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975);
- 1962, 1979 "'mawuwo anali Mulungu.' Kapena, kwenikweni, 'Mulungu ndiye anali mawu.' ”The Four Gospels and the Revelation (R. Lattimore, 1979)
- 1975 “ndipo mulungu (kapena, waumulungu) anali Mawu”Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, lolembedwa ndi Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany
(Zikomo kwambiri Wikipedia pamndandanda uwu)
Othandizira kumasulira kwa "Mawu ndiye Mulungu" angadzudzule omasulirawa ponena kuti mawu osachiritsika akuti "a" kulibe koyambirira. Nayi kumasulira kwapakati pa mzere:
"Poyambirira panali mawu ndipo mawu anali ndi mulungu ndipo mawuwo anali mawu. (Uyu) anali woyamba kwa Mulungu. ”
Akanakhoza bwanji ambiri a Ophunzira Baibulo komanso omasulira kuphonya izi, mwina mungafunse? Yankho lake ndi losavuta. Sanatero. Palibe mawu osatha mu Chigriki. Womasulira amayenera kuyika kuti zigwirizane ndi galamala ya Chingerezi. Izi ndizovuta kulingalira kwa olankhula Chingerezi wamba. Taganizirani chitsanzo ichi:
"Sabata yapitayi, John, bwenzi langa, adadzuka, akusamba, kudya mbale yamphesa, kenako ndikukwera basi kukayamba ntchito ngati mphunzitsi."
Zikumveka zosamveka, sichoncho? Komabe, mutha kupeza tanthauzo. Komabe, pali nthawi zina mu Chingerezi zomwe timafunikira kusiyanitsa pakati pa mayina enieni komanso osadziwika.
Maphunziro Mwachidule
Ngati izi zikuthandizira kuyang'ana m'maso, ndikukulonjezani kuti ndikulemekezani tanthauzo la "mwachidule".
Pali mitundu itatu yamatchulidwe omwe tiyenera kuzindikira: osadziwika, osatsimikizika, olondola.
- Dzina losasinthika: "munthu"
- Dzinamizira: "bambo"
- Dzina loyenerera: "John"
Mchizungu, mosiyana ndi Greek, tapanga Mulungu kukhala dzina loyenerera. Kupereka 1 John 4: 8 timati, "Mulungu ndiye chikondi". Tasintha "Mulungu" kukhala dzina loyenerera, kwenikweni, dzina. Izi sizichitika mu Chigriki, kotero vesi ili mu Greeklineline likuyimira "The Mulungu ndiye chikondi ”.
Chifukwa chake m'Chingerezi dzina loyenera ndilo dzina lodziwika bwino. Zikutanthauza kuti tikudziwikadi omwe tikunena. Kuyika "a" patsogolo pa dzina kumatanthauza kuti sitiri otsimikiza. Tikuyankhula zambiri. Kunena kuti, "Mulungu ndiye chikondi" sichidziwika. Mwachidziwikire, tikunena kuti, "mulungu aliyense ndiye chikondi".
Chabwino? Mapeto a maphunziro a galamala.
Udindo wa womasulira ndi kufotokoza zomwe wolemba adalemba mokhulupirika mu chilankhulo china ngakhale atakhala kuti ali ndi zikhulupiriro kapena zomwe amakhulupirira.
Kupereka Kwosagwirizana ndi John 1: 1
Kuti muwonetse kufunikira kwa nkhani yosatha mu Chingerezi, tiyeni tiyesere sentensi popanda iyo.
"M'buku la Yobu la Yobu, Mulungu akuwonetsedwa akulankhula ndi Satana yemwe ndi mulungu."
Ngati tikadapanda kukhala ndi chidziwitso mchilankhulo chathu, tikadapereka bwanji chiganizochi kuti asapatse owerenga kuti Satana ndi Mulungu? Kutengera malingaliro athu kuchokera kwa Agiriki, titha kuchita izi:
"M'buku la Yobu la Yobu, ndi Mulungu akuwonetsedwa akulankhula ndi Satana yemwe ndi mulungu. "
Umu ndi momwe mungayambire zovuta. 1 kapena 0. Kuyatsa kapena kuimitsa. Zosavuta. Ngati nkhani yotsimikizika imagwiritsidwa ntchito (1), dzinalo nlotsimikizika. Ngati sichoncho (0), ndiye kuti sichikhala mpaka kalekale.
Tiyeni tiwone pa John 1: 1,2 kachiwiri ndi kumvetsetsa kumeneku mumalingaliro achi Greek.
"Poyambirira panali mawu ndipo mawu anali nawo ndi mulungu ndi mulungu anali mawu. Ichi (chimodzi) chimayamba ndi Mulungu. ”
Maina awiri osatsimikizika akutanthauza chamuyaya. Ngati Yohane akanafuna kuwonetsa kuti Yesu ndi Mulungu osati mulungu chabe, akanalemba motere.
"Poyambirira panali mawu ndipo mawu anali nawo ndi mulungu ndi ndi Mulungu anali mawu. Ichi (chimodzi) chimayamba ndi Mulungu. ”
Tsopano mayina onse atatu ali otsimikizika. Palibe chinsinsi apa. Ndi galamala wamba yachi Greek.
Popeza sititenga njira yodziwitsira yosiyanitsira pakati pa mayina enieni komanso osadziwika, tiyenera kuyimitsa nkhani yoyenera. Chifukwa chake, tanthauzo lolondola lopanda tsankhu ndi "Mawu anali Mulungu".
Chifukwa Chimodzi Chosokoneza
Kukondera kumapangitsa omasulira ambiri kutsutsana ndi galamala yachi Greek ndikutanthauzira Yohane 1: 1 ndi dzina loyenera Mulungu, monga "Mawu anali Mulungu". Ngakhale kukhulupirira kwawo kuti Yesu ndiye Mulungu kuli kowona, sichimapereka chifukwa chomasulira Yohane 1: 1 kotero kuti tisiyane ndi momwe adalembedwera poyambirira. Omasulira a NWT, pomwe amadzudzula ena pochita izi, amagwera mumsampha womwewo iwowo m'malo mwa "Yehova" m'malo mwa "Ambuye" nthawi mazana ku NWT Amanena kuti chikhulupiriro chawo chimaposa udindo wawo womasulira mokhulupirika zomwe zalembedwa. Amangoganiza kuti amadziwa zambiri kuposa zomwe zilipo. Izi zimatchedwa kusintha kwa malingaliro ndipo ponena za mawu ouziridwa a Mulungu, ndichizolowezi choopsa kuchita.De 4: 2; 12: 32; Pr 30: 6; Ga 1: 8; Re 22: 18, 19)
Nchiyani chimayambitsa kukondera kokhudzana ndi zikhulupiriro izi? Mwa zina, mawu omwe agwiritsidwa ntchito kawiri kuchokera pa Yohane 1: 1,2 "pachiyambi". Chiyambi chanji? John sanena. Kodi akunena za chiyambi cha chilengedwe kapena chiyambi cha Logos? Ambiri amakhulupirira kuti ndizoyambira pomwe Yohane kenako akunena zakulengedwa kwa zinthu zonse mu vesi 3.
Izi zimabweretsa vuto kwa anzathu. Nthawi ndi chinthu chopangidwa. Palibe nthawi monga tikudziwira kunja kwa chilengedwe. Yohane 1: 3 imafotokoza momveka bwino kuti Logos idalipo pomwe zinthu zonse zidalengedwa. Zomveka zake zimatsatira kuti ngati kunalibe nthawi chilengedwe chonse chisanapangidwe ndipo Logos anali pomwepo ndi Mulungu, ndiye kuti Logos ilibe nthawi, yamuyaya, ndipo ilibe chiyambi. Kuchokera pamenepo ndikumalizira kwakanthawi kochepa pamapeto pake kuti Logos iyenera kukhala Mulungu mwanjira ina kapena ina.
Zomwe Zikupangiridwa
Sitikufuna konse kutengeka ndi msampha wa kudzikuza waluntha. Pasanathe zaka 100 zapitazo, tidamenya chisindikizo pachinsinsi chachikulu cha chilengedwe: chiphunzitso chokhudzana. Mwazina, tidazindikira koyamba kuti ndizotheka kusintha. Pokhala ndi chidziwitso ichi timaganiza kuti nthawi yokhayo yomwe ingakhale ndi yomwe timadziwa. Gawo la nthawi yachilengedwe chonse chokhacho lingakhaleko. Tikukhulupirira kuti chiyambi chokhacho chomwe chingakhale ndichomwe chimafotokozedwera ndikupitilira kwathu kwa nthawi / nthawi. Tili ngati munthu wobadwa wakhungu yemwe wapeza ndi chithandizo cha anthu owona kuti amatha kusiyanitsa mitundu ina ndi kukhudza. (Mwachitsanzo, ofiira, amamva kutentha kuposa kuwala kwa buluu.) Tangoganizirani ngati munthu woteroyo, yemwe tsopano ali ndi chidziwitso chatsopanochi, akuyesa kulankhula zambiri za mtundu weniweni wa utoto.
M'malingaliro anga (modzichepetsa, ndikhulupirira), zonse zomwe tikudziwa kuchokera pa mawu a Yohane ndikuti Logos idalipo pazinthu zina zonse zolengedwa. Kodi anali ndi chiyambi cha iye asanakhalepo, kapena adakhalako? Sindikhulupirira kuti tinganene motsimikiza, koma ndingatsamire ku lingaliro la chiyambi. Nachi chifukwa.
Mwana Woyamba Kubadwa wa Chilengedwe Conse
Ngati Yehova amafuna kuti timvetse kuti Logos alibe chiyambi, akanangonena choncho. Palibe fanizo lomwe angagwiritse ntchito kutithandiza kumvetsetsa izi, chifukwa lingaliro la chinthu chopanda chiyambi limatha kuposa zomwe tidakumana nazo. Zinthu zina timangofunika kuuzidwa ndi kuvomereza pa chikhulupiriro.
Komabe, Yehova sanatiuze chilichonse chokhudza Mwana wake. M'malo mwake adatipatsa fanizo lomwe lili mkati kwambiri mwa kumvetsetsa kwathu.
"Ndiye chifanizo cha Mulungu wosaonekayo, woyamba kubadwa wa chilengedwe chonse." (Col 1: 15)
Tonsefe timadziwa chomwe mwana wamwamuna woyamba kubadwa ali. Pali zina mwachilengedwe zomwe zimafotokoza. Bambo alipo. Mwana wake woyamba kulibe. Bambo ndi amene amabereka mwana woyamba kubadwa. Mwana woyamba kubadwa alipo. Kuvomereza kuti Yehova monga Atate alibe nthawi, tiyenera kuvomereza mwanjira zina - ngakhale zina zomwe sitingathe kuziganizira — kuti Mwanayo ndi wopanda moyo, chifukwa ndi Atate amene anamupanga. Ngati sitingathe kunena zomveka komanso zomveka, nanga ndichifukwa chiyani Yehova adagwiritsa ntchito ubale wa anthuwu ngati fanizo kutithandiza kumvetsetsa chowonadi chofunikira chokhudza Mwana wake?[I]
Koma siziimira pamenepo. Paulo akutcha Yesu, "woyamba kubadwa wa chilengedwe chonse". Izi zitha kupangitsa owerenga ake aku Kolose kuzindikira kuti:
- Zambiri zinali kudza chifukwa ngati woyamba kubadwa ndiye kuti sangakhale woyamba. Choyamba ndi nambala ya ordinal motero amatenga dongosolo kapena dongosolo.
- Zomwe zimatsata kwambiri ndi chilengedwe chonse.
Izi zimabweretsa kutsimikiza kosapeweka kuti Yesu ndi gawo la chilengedwe. Zosiyana inde. Wapadera? Mwamtheradi. Komabe, chilengedwe.
Ichi ndichifukwa chake Yesu amagwiritsa ntchito fanizo lapa banja muutumiki wonsewu polankhula za Mulungu osati monga wofanana, koma monga bambo wamkulu - Atate wake, Atate wa onse. (John 14: 28; 20: 17)
Mulungu Wobadwa Yekha
Pomwe kumasulira kopanda tsankho kwa Yohane 1: 1 kumveketsa bwino kuti Yesu ndi mulungu, mwachitsanzo, osati Mulungu woona m'modzi yekha, Yehova. Koma, kodi izi zikutanthauza chiyani?
Kuphatikiza apo, pali kutsutsana kowoneka pakati pa Akolose 1: 15 yomwe imamutcha woyamba kubadwa ndi John 1: 14 yomwe imamutcha mwana yekhayo.
Tiyeni tisunge mafunso amenewa m'nkhani yotsatira.
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[I] Pali ena omwe amatsutsana ndi lingaliro lodziwikirali poganiza kuti kunena za mwana woyamba kubadwa kumamveketsa za udindo wapadera woyamba kubadwa mu Israeli, chifukwa adalandira magawo awiri. Ngati ndi choncho ndiye kuti ndizodabwitsa bwanji kuti Paulo amagwiritsa ntchito fanizo lotere polembera Akolose Amitundu. Zachidziwikire kuti akadawalongosolera chikhalidwe chachiyuda ichi, kuti asadumphe kumapeto omveka bwino omwe fanizoli likufuna. Komabe sanatero, chifukwa mfundo yake inali yosavuta komanso yowonekera. Sizinasowe kufotokozera.
Pofuna kuti chilungamo chisachitike ndimatha kunena zinthu zingapo: 1. Nkhani ya a Phillip Harner mu Journal of Biblical Literature) imafotokoza mwatsatanetsatane zomwe John adachita pofotokoza gawo lomaliza la Yohane 1: 1. - ndibwino kuti tiwone. 2. Omasulira ambiri mwa 70 omwe adatchulidwa kuti akugwirizana ndi NWT atha kunena kuti Yesu sanali Mulungu koma kuzindikira kuti mamangidwe a vesili akunena china chake za mtundu wake motero amamasulira kuti "Mawu anali waumulungu" kapena ofanana. Sakutanthauza... Werengani zambiri "
Ndimakayikiranso za Yesuchrist weniweni. "Ndipo mawuwo anali mulungu", ena amati mawu oti "mulungu" m'malo oyamba, asanachitike mawu a Copulative (kukhala), ndipo popanda mawu osatsimikizika kuti "the", amapangitsa mawu oti "mulungu". Chifukwa chake kutanthauzako kungakhale "ndipo mawuwo ali ndi chikhalidwe cha Mulungu", ndipo osati "amulungu" monga zolengedwa zauzimu zomwe zimatchulidwanso zauzimu koma sitinganene kuti angelo ndi amodzi a YHWH (kapena tingatero?), akuganiza kuti "mawu" monga... Werengani zambiri "
Kutanthauzira kwa "woyamba kubadwa" ndi "mwana wanu wamwamuna yekhayo" osati ngati mwana woyamba wamwamuna, koma monga wolowa m'malo wa Atate, mwana yemwe ali woyamba pa abale ake ena, monga Ismael ndi Isaki, Ismael okulirapo kuposa Isaki koma mthenga wa AMBUYE anati "tsopano ndidziwa kuti iwe umandikonda chifukwa sunandilolere mwana wako yekhayo", ndipo Isake amatchedwa "woyamba kubadwa wa Abrahamu".
Zodabwitsa! Zosavuta kumva tsopano. Ntchito yapadera M'bale! Ndikutsimikiza kuti malingaliro athu asinthidwa kuyambira pomwe nkhaniyi ....
Kukhazikitsa njanji motsimikiza…. Chidutswa chokongola.
Hi Jannai Col 1 15; 16 Akulankhula za Yesu woyamba kubadwa wa chilengedwe chonse Verse 16 pakuti mwa iye zinthu zonse zinalengedwa KUMWAMBA ndi padziko lapansi. Kotero zikuwoneka mu gen 1; 26 Mawu a Mulungu anali okhudzana ndi Yesu, "tipange munthu m'chifanizo chathu" Ahe 1; 2 - Yohane 1; 3 Yohane 1 10 Akol 1; 16 Ngakhale angelo asanalengedwe Yesu anali pomwepo palibe paliponse pamene pamatchulidwa kuti angelo amatenga nawo mbali pantchito yolenga. Koma ndikuvomereza kuti uyenera kuti unali chisangalalo chosangalatsa kwa angelo akuwona maziko a dziko lapansi... Werengani zambiri "
Mfundo chabe yokhudza angelo - Mulungu akadatha kuyitanitsa bwalo lake lakumwamba, angelo, kuti adzatenge nawo gawo mwanjira ina pakupanga anthu, mwina pantchito yopereka matamando (Yobu 38: 7), koma Iye Mwiniwake ndiye amapanga kulenga kwenikweni ntchito. Izi zikugwirizana ndi Yesaya 44:24.
Ndikuganiza kuti vuto ndikuti mukuyang'ana pa Genesis 1: 26 ndicholinga choti Yesu akhalepo, pomwe ndikuyang'ana ndicholinga choti asakhaleko.
Ndiyambira pati !!! Woleredwa mu "chowonadi" ndipo patatha zaka 50 atakhala ndi ziphunzitso za JW zomwe zidaphunzitsidwa mwa ine kumakhala kovuta kuti ndisawonetse ziphunzitsozi m'mawu anga. Monga Jw ndidazindikira kuti timapenda, kutanthauzira, kusanthula, mpaka zotsatira zake timalephera kuwona uthenga woyambirira womwe malembo amapereka. Chifukwa chake kuzisunga mosavuta. Mulungu (mmodzi) anati Tiyeni (ambiri) timupange munthu m'chifanizo chathu (chochuluka). Gen 1; 26 Tawonani munthu wakhala ngati m'modzi wa ife (wambiri) - ndipo uyu ndi amene amamenya masewerawa "akudziwa zabwino... Werengani zambiri "
Mwina mu Genesis 1:26 mawu awa amalankhulidwa kwa angelo omwe anali kuwona zina mwazolengedwa za Mulungu. Yobu 38: 4,7 “Unali kuti muja ndinaika maziko a dziko lapansi? Ndiuzeni, ngati mukumvetsa. v 7 Pamene nyenyezi zam'mawa zimayimba limodzi ndipo angelo onse adafuwula mokondwera. ” (NIV) ZITSANZO
Kuti ndikungofunsa… ndikuthandizani kupitirira mutu wanga apa. Ndine womanga chabe. Muyenera kuti mukuwerenga mabuku 24 7 kapena china chake .. sindingathe kuziyika m'mawu osavuta ngati yesu. .
A Mark Christopher, sindikuganiza kuti Buzzard amatanthauza kuti Yesu ndi munthu kumwamba. Ndikuganiza chomwe zikutanthauza ndikuti Yesu ataukitsidwa adasandulika kukhala ndi thupi lopangidwa ndi kaboni kukhala "thupi laulemerero". Izi zitha kukhala zosiyana kwambiri ndi matupi athu amakono, chifukwa chake Yesu adakwanitsa kuyenda kudzera pamakoma ndi zina zambiri.
Tithokoze Jannai40. Mwinanso ndinawerenga Buzzard molakwika.
Pepani amatanthauza kuti "ndinapatsidwa"
Zomwe ndinganene motsimikiza ndi kuti Yesu Khristu akuwulula zenizeni za Umulungu mwa iye yekha. Ndipo ndiyenera kulakalaka ndikhale ngati iye. Ena sindinasankhe malingaliro anga. Ndikuwunikirabe ndemanga ndi nkhani yomwe mwalemba.Nditha kuwona tanthauzo la zina mwamaganizidwe ake lero kuposa momwe ndidapangira dzulo. Sindikufuna kunena kuti ndadzipereka pachikhulupiriro mpaka ndikamve mfundo zonse. ndipo mvetsetsa bwino. Izi zimatenga nthawi komanso kufunitsitsa kuvomereza kuti ndikulakwitsa .. Monga JW yemwe amangokhulupirira zilizonse zomwe Tom, Dick ndi... Werengani zambiri "
Zikomo chifukwa cha kufotokozera. Kunena kuti "Sindikudziwa" ndi yankho lovomerezeka. Ena atha kunena, kuyamba kwa nzeru. Ndikuphunzira pang'onopang'ono kunena ndekha. Inenso ndili pamaphunziro, ndipo mayankho ambiri ndi ndemanga zandithandiza kuwongolera malingaliro anga pa Malemba. Wofotokozera aliyense amakhala ndi zochitika zake, koma ambiri, ndikukhulupirira, amafunafuna zomaliza moona mtima. Nthawi zina zimatheka. Nthawi zina, timayenera kudikirira mtsogolo kuwululidwa kwa chowonadi chochokera kwa Mulungu. Zinthu zina sizingakhale zodziwika.
Tidayanjanitsidwa ndi Mulungu chifukwa chodziwa Yesu Khristu chifukwa ndiye chifanizo cha Mulungu wosaonekayo. Chifukwa tsopano izi ndizindikira zomwe ndikumvetsa.
Osati yankho mwachindunji. Zimandisiya ndikudabwa zomwe mumakhulupirira.
Meleti
China chake chomwe ndidanena chidandipangitsa kuganiza "Ndiye mukunena kuti Logos sakanakhoza" chifanizo "cha Mulungu ali kumwamba, koma padziko lapansi lokha?
Ngakhale ndimayimirira ndemanga yanga yoyambirira kuti Mwana Woyamba kubadwa akunena za gulu lomwe silinapangidwe koyamba. Ine ndikunena za chilengedwe chonse kuphatikiza angelo.
Kuchokera pamenepa ndikumvetsetsa kuti mumakhulupirira kuti Yesu adakhalapo, ndipo adzakhalabe fano la Mulungu wosawonekayo.
KumAi
Sindikukhulupirira kuti Yesu akadali munthu kumwamba. Ndikukhulupirira kuti chifukwa amakhala pakati pa anthu, adagawana nawo umunthu wathu ndikuzunzika ndipo amatenga zomwezo ndi iye. Sindikumvera Anthony Buzzards lingaliro loti iye ndi munthu wakumwamba Kwenikweni, sindikudziwa momwe amafikira pamalingaliro amenewo Amamvetsetsa bwino m'malo ena, koma izi sizimveka kwa ine. Thupi lanji lomwe Yesu ali nalo tsopano sangakhale munthu. Chifukwa chimodzi adayenda m'makoma.
Pamene akhristu ambiri akunena kuti Yesu ndi munthu kumwamba, samatanthauza munthu ngati ife lero. Amatanthauza munthu waulemerero (munthu mu thupi laulemerero). Chifukwa chomwe amakhalira ndi lingaliro loti Yesu ndi munthu monga momwe ndikudziwira ndi malemba ngati pali mkhalapakati m'modzi pakati pa anthu ndi Mulungu, MUNTHU, Yesu Khristu. Chifukwa chake amakhulupirira kuti ndi munthu, pomwe ali ndi thupi lolemekezedwa. Chifukwa china chomwe ndimamvera nthawi zambiri ndikuti Yesu adaukitsidwa ndi thupi lomwelo, ndipo izi zidapereka umboni wa kuuka.... Werengani zambiri "
Inde. Ndikuvomereza Thanks chifukwa chofotokoza bwino INOG.
Zikomo pofotokozera INOG. Pepani kuti ndanenetsa zabodza za MarkChristopher wanu. Ndikukhulupirira kuti malembo amavomereza kuti Yesu adaukitsidwa mwakuthupi. Ine ndekha ndalingalira izi ndipo ndikukhulupirira kuti adabwerera kuulemerero womwe adali nawo "dziko lisanalengedwe. ”Yohane akuwoneka kuti mawuwo asanakhale thupi (Yohane 1:14) kuti adakhalako ngati Mawu ndi Yehova. (Yohane 1: 1-3).
Sindikutsutsa koma ndilibe chifukwa chomwe tingaganizire kuti akadali munthu kumwamba ... thupi laulemerero kapena ayi.
Ndikugwirizana ndi ilovejesus333.Christianity pazaka zomaliza za 2000 ndakhala ndikuvutika kufotokoza za kukhalapo kwa Khristu. Sindikuganiza kuti izi zisintha nthawi ina iliyonse .. Ndikumva kusamvana pang'ono mu zokambirana, ndiye kuti ndiziwonjezera ndemanga ndipo mwina china chake chiziwonekera pambuyo pake.
John 1: 30New American Standard Bible (NASB)
30 Ndiyeyu amene ndinanena za iye, Pambuyo panga palinkudza munthu amene ali ndi mwayi woposa ine, popeza analipo ine ndisanakhale.
Ngati Yesu analibe munthu asanabadwe ndiye lemba ili likugwirizana bwanji?
Ndasangalala nayo nkhaniyi ndipo zokambiranazi zakhala zopatsa chidwi. Ndili ndi kawonedwe kozama kwambiri ka "liwu" momwe lagwiritsidwira ntchito pa Yohane 1: 1 ndipo likukwaniritsidwa mwa Yesu.
Billy yankho la funso lanu limapezeka mu zomwe zimatchedwa zangwiro.
Yang'anani.
Ichi ndi chitsanzo cha yankho kuchotsedwa. Timaletsa izi patsamba lino. Mwaona Kuyankha Etiquette kuti mudziwe zambiri.
Meleti, ndakhala ndikungowerenga zauneneri wangwiro ndikuziwona zosangalatsa kwambiri - ndinali ndisanamvepo za izo kale ndipo ndikuganiza kuti zithandizira ofunafuna chowonadi pakufufuza kwawo, chifukwa chake ndikuthokoza kwambiri chifukwa cha chidziwitsochi. Kunena zowona, sindinaganize kuti mawuwo ndioyankha. Kungoganiza za gulu lazokambirana - mwawona kuti pali dzina lamwano kwambiri la m'modzi mwa mamembalawo ndipo ndiyenera kuvomereza kuti ndidadabwa kwambiri chifukwa chololedwa. Ndinali wokhudzidwa chifukwa ndimamudziwa winawake... Werengani zambiri "
Ndimayamika malingaliro anu Jannai40, koma malamulo omwe timayesetsa kutsatira pazokambirana zathu ndi awa: 1. Ikani maziko olimba a chowonadi pogwiritsa ntchito cholembedwa cha m'Malemba kutsimikizira mbali iliyonse ya mkangano wanu. 2. Quote kuchokera m'Malemba popanga mfundo. 3. Ngati mungatanthauze gawo lina lakunja monga buku lofufuza kapena ndemanga ya Baibulo, tchulani mawu omwe ali mu ndemangayo kenako ndikupereka zomwe zikuwonetsedwa, tsamba ndi ndimeyo kuti iwongolere owerenga ku gwero lenileni. 4. Pewani kulalatira, komanso mawu achipongwe kapena oweruza. (1 Pet. 2:23; 3: 9; Yude... Werengani zambiri "
Kodi zikukhudzana bwanji ndi zolakwika zauneneri .john anenetsa kuti Yesu anali asanabadwe iye. Sichiri chofanizira chauneneri pomwe chochitika chamtsogolo chanenedweratu chimanenedwa kale ngati kale kapena chilipo mu english .am mawu monga akuti kapena anali. Zikuwoneka kuti ndizovuta kufotokozera zochitika zamtsogolo. Chifukwa chake m'Chingerezi zimanenedwa ngati kuti zikuchitika kale ngakhale zili zamtsogolo. Koma mu vesi ili ndi john akufotokozera zenizeni zamtsogolo kapena zenizeni chabe .. kuti Yesu adalipo iye asanakhale. .kev c
Ndipo chinthu china ndi chakuti nthawi yomweyo sikuti timangowerenga mawu achikhristu kapena ndangotsala ndi njira yokhayo.
Meleti chifukwa chakuti sitikugwirizana ndi iwe, palibe chifukwa chofotokozera malingaliro athu m'mawu achipongwe. Palibe kusewera komwe kumasewera pano. Ndikumvetsetsa malingaliro anu, popeza ndimaganiza chimodzimodzi. Koma ndili ndi ufulu (monga ena) kuti ndisinthe malingaliro ena mothandizidwa ndi umboni wowonjezera, womwe mwalephera kupereka (kwa ine) popanda lingaliro loti mwina ndasocheretsa kapena ndikusocheretsa ena. ayamba kumveka ngati 'amayi' athu akale - chonde osapita kumeneko.
Inde, ndinu oyenera kusintha malingaliro anu. Mukuwoneka kuti mukukhumudwitsa mulibe cholinga. Ndimanenanso zambiri. Anali Jannai40 yemwe adatanthauzira malongosoledwe, ndichifukwa chake ndidamufunsa kuti andifotokozere.
Ponena za kupanda umboni kowumiriza, ndimaganiza kuti ndapereka zomwezo munkhani yanga. Ngati simukuwona kuti ndizokakamiza, chabwino, monga mukunenera, muli ndi lingaliro lanu.
Meleti, Poyankha kwanu komaliza ku INOG, kodi ndikumvetsetsa kuti mukamati, "Ndikosavuta kusochera mu zovuta za anthu, koma chowonadi cha malembo ndichosangalatsa chifukwa cha kuphweka kwake," zomwe mukuzinena Buzzard ndi Unitarian, chifukwa anthu ena angaganize kuti ndinu. Pali ambiri omwe amamatira kuzikhulupiriro izi omwe akumvetsera pano, ndipo sindikuganiza kuti angayamikire ndemanga zanu.
Kodi zotsutsana za Buzzard ndi Unitarian ndizovuta komanso zopusa, kapena zosavuta komanso zomveka?
1Co 1:12 Chomwe ndikutanthauza ndi ichi, kuti yense wa inu anena, Ine ndine wa Paulo, koma ine wa Apolo, koma ine wa Kefa, Koma ine wa Khristu. ”
Buzzard ndi ndani? Kodi osakhulupirika ndi ndani? Kodi ma JW ndi ndani? Kodi ma Christadelphians ndi ndani?
Sindili wa munthu aliyense kapena gulu la amuna.
Ndikuyesera kulola mawu a Mulungu kuti alankhule kwa ine ndipo sizikunena chimodzimodzi kwa ine, monga inu.
IJA, ndidayankhapo kale kumvetsera, kusinkhasinkha malingaliro a anthu ena patsamba lino ndikuchita izi kumayamba kuphunzira. Apa tonse titha kukambirana zinthu zakuya za zolembedwa. Tonsefe tikufunafuna chowonadi monga momwe wina ananenera poyamba, tikupezabe zovuta patatha zaka 2,000 zakudziwika ngakhale ubale wa Mulungu ndi Khristu. Ndiye zoona zake ndi ziti? Chabwino ili mu baibulo sichoncho? Alembi ndi Afarisi anali otanganidwa kwambiri ndi kusunga chilichonse chaching'ono cha lamulolo lomwe adayiwala cholinga chake choyambirira. Iwo sanali kumukonda Mulungu... Werengani zambiri "
Sindikudziwa kuti izi zidachokera kuti!
Jannai40 - Ndithandizira ndemanga yanu yomaliza. Ikani bwino. Ngati titayamba kunena motsimikiza pamutuwu, zimachoka pakukambirana kupita pakunena, kugawaniza, kuzunza, kudana. Tiyenera kungoona zowawa zomwe Mpingo wakumana nazo mzaka 2000 zapitazi pankhaniyi. Ndipo amene amapindula tikamazunzana ndi kunamizana wina ndi mnzake, chifukwa timaganiza kuti tili ndi chowonadi. Tiyeni tisamale pankhaniyi ndipo tisamupatse Mdyerekezi malo oti atigonere. Ndili ndi miyezi 6 yomaliza kukhala bwenzi lokhazikika... Werengani zambiri "
Ndikuganiza kuti nsanja iyi siyingathe kugwira zolemba zazitali; / Ndalemba mitundu iwiri yowonjezera ndi malembo ndipo nthawi iliyonse ikasweka. Ndiyenera kukhala ndi chizolowezi chomusungira kwinakwake, ndiyenera kudziwa bwino.
INOG, Kodi mukuganiza kuti zolemba zambiri ndizofunikira? Kodi sizabwino kuzisunga kuti aliyense athe kumvetsetsa zomwe zikunenedwa. Palibe cholakwika, ndi lingaliro chabe, chifukwa Yesu anali munthu wochepa chabe, kodi sanali choncho, komabe womveka bwino.
Nditha kungonena malingaliro anga popanda kufotokoza chilichonse, koma sizingakhale zopindulitsa pokambirana. Kupitilira apo, kukhala wopambana sikufunika kukhala wovuta koma kwenikweni kumabwera. Kwa ine umboni wambiri wa Paulo ndi Yohane suchoka m'malo mwa Yesu yemwe analipo asanakhalepo Logos. Paulo ndi Yohane akunena chimodzimodzi za Logos. Paulo adati kudzera mwa Mwana zinthu zonse zinalengedwa, Yohane adati kudzera mu Logos zonse zinalengedwa. Pali mavesi ambiri omwe amafotokoza za kukhalapo kwa Mwana / Logos komwe inde ndikadatha... Werengani zambiri "
INOG, sindikudziwa chomwe mukutanthauza poyesayesa mwanzeru kwa Buzzard ndi ena a Unitarian - mwina mutha kufotokoza izi? Kungakhale, kumene, kuti awa ali owona mtima monga momwe ife tikufunira chowonadi. Bwanji ngati Buzzard akunena zoona, kapena bwanji ngati Meleti akunena zoona. Sitinganene motsimikiza ngati wina ali ndi zonse molondola - ndiye msampha womwe tidagweramo ngati ma JWs. Tsopano timamvera ndikusanthula ndikupemphera m'maganizo mwathu pazomwe timakhulupirira kuti pakadali pano zikugwirizana ndi Mau a Mulungu.
Zikomo, InNeedOfGrace. Ndikugwirizana ndi inu pakuwona kwanu umboni wa zomwe Paulo ndi Yohane amapereka ponena za kukhalapo kwa Yesu. Ndikosavuta kutayika mu sophology yovuta ya abambo, koma chowonadi cha malembedwe chimakhala chosangalatsa chifukwa chophweka.
>> Komanso ndikuwopa kuti kukanidwa kwa umboniwu kumasiya khomo lotseguka paziphunzitso zina, monga kukhazikitsidwa kwa ena ndi zina.
Mai, mai! Kodi mukunena kuti pokhapokha ngati tikugwirizana ndi tanthauzo lanu kuti tikhala tikutuluka?
Utatu unganene zinthu zomwezo kwa iwe. M'maso mwake malembawo amaphunzitsa momveka bwino Utatu ndipo ndiwe wachinyengo komanso mzimu wotayika. Choonadi chikuwoneka kuti chili m'malingaliro a wopenyerera.
Mutuwu udagawanitsa bwanji ndikuwona momwe matope amayamba kuwuluka mwachangu !!
Ngati tikumva kuti ena akuponya matope-ndipo sindikunena kuti ali-titha kuchita zochepa. Zomwe tingachite komabe sikutaya kumbuyo. Kamvekedwe ka ndemanga zaposachedwa kwayamba kumveka ngati kotsutsa. Chifukwa chiyani tonsefe sitimapumira, kuwerenga mpaka teni, ndiyeno ngati tikufuna kuyankhapo, tiwerenge kangapo tisanayankhe?
osasinthika ndi oyimira
Ndimapeza kuti ndemanga zanu ndizosangalatsa komanso zolimbikitsa, ndipo ndikukuthokozani.
Jannai40
Kungolankhula mosaganizira, ndikuganiza ngati achi Greek chifukwa ndidaphunzira Chigiriki kwa zaka 6 kusukulu 😉 Onse a phun amadzichitira pambali, ndikuvomereza kuti padzakhala chisonkhezero kuchokera ku WT Society, yomwe pamapeto pake idawalimbikitsa kwina. Izi zikunenedwa, sindidzangotaya malowo chifukwa choti WT imaphunzitsa. Inenso sindine wolemba chiwembu, komwe ndimapita ndikalingalira kuti zonse zawonongeka ndipo wophunzira aliyense wapano wawonongeka, ndimangoyesa kuyang'ana molunjika momwe ndingathere pamkangano uliwonse kenako ndikukhazikika... Werengani zambiri "
Ndimagwirizana ndi malingaliro anu. Mumaziyika bwino kuposa momwe ndikanakhalira.
Nkhani ya Yesu ndi chikhalidwe chake yakhala yofunika kwambiri kwa ine kwazaka ndi zaka. Poganizira za mkangano waukulu pano, abwenzi ambiri pano ali otanganidwa kwambiri 😉 Ndikulankhula zondichitikira ndimaona ngati sindinapite patsogolo pamutuwu kwazaka zambiri chifukwa ndimangowerenga ndikungoyang'ana magwero omwe anali wopepesa m'chilengedwe. Mwanjira ina, ndinali wotsimikiza kuti ndinali nacho cholondola ndipo makutu anga anali osatsegukira lingaliro la wina aliyense, ndipo zonse zomwe ndimawerenga zimawoneka kuti zikutsimikizira kuti ndalondola bwanji... Werengani zambiri "
INOG - ndi ndani ameneyo? Pepani ndimatanthauza GodsWordIsTruth
Wawa IJA, sindikuganiza ngati Mgiriki ndimaganiza ngati GWIT 🙂 sindimawerenga, kuphunzira kapena kufufuza chilankhulo chachi Greek. Pokhapokha mutanena kuti matembenuzidwe amakono a Baibulo anamasuliridwa molakwika ndi chikhazikitso chachi Greek… pamenepo Mulungu atithandize tonse. Ndili ndi chikhulupiriro kuti Mulungu wandipatsa zomwe akufuna kuti ndidziwe. Chifukwa chake ndiloleni ndikhale wotseguka (mwina mukudziwa kale IJA) Ndine wokonda izi Yesu ndi munthu chabe amene amaganiza. Kwa ine zokambirana zimayamba ndikuvomereza kuti Yesu [ndi] mulungu kapena waumulungu.... Werengani zambiri "
Wawa Meleti ndi INOG Ndikuganiza kuti chifukwa chomwe zimakuvutani kuganizira ngakhale kuthekera kwa zonena zanga komanso za ena mwatsutsa zomwe mumakhulupirira Yesu ndi chifukwa mukuganiza ngati Agiriki. Mpaka muzindikira izi, lingaliro lina silingamveke m'maganizo anu. Ine ndinali momwe inu muliri tsopano. Ndinali mpainiya komanso MS ndipo ubongo wanga sunali wambiri ndi zomwe inu mukufotokozera. Zinanditengera nthawi yayitali kuti ndikafike pamalingaliro omwe tsopano ndili nawo, koma ndikuganiza kuti ndili ndi malingaliro abwino... Werengani zambiri "
Zimandivuta nthawi zonse ena akaganiza kuti ndikudziwa zomwe ndikuganiza.
Wawa Meleti, Monga momwe mukudziwira kale malingaliro athu okhudzana ndi chikhalidwe cha Khristu amasiyana. Zikuwoneka kuti timavomerezana kuposa momwe ndimaganizira poyamba ndipo ndimayamikiradi ndikulemekeza nkhaniyi. Ndaphunzira zambiri… ndikhala ndikuika chizindikiro chazomwe ndalemba. Izi zikunenedwa kuti ndili ndi malingaliro ofanana a INOG kuti lemba ili lokha silitsutsa kapena kutsimikizira umulungu wa Yesu. Chofunika kwambiri pa lembalo ndikutanthauzira kwathu kwapadera. Ndine wodabwitsidwa kudziwa kuti miyezi ingapo yapitayi kuti pali Akhristu ena omwe amakana... Werengani zambiri "
Moni GodsWordIsTruth. Inenso ndinadabwa nthawi yoyamba yomwe ndinaphunzira kuti pali omwe sakhulupirira kuti Yesu analiko asanabadwe padziko lapansi. Zikomo chifukwa cholumikizira m'njira. Ndigwiritsa ntchito pakafukufuku wanga. Pakhala pali ndemanga zambiri komanso zotsutsana pamakhalidwe a Khristu ndipo ili ndi lachiwiri lokhalo mndandanda. Zachidziwikire, iyi ndi imodzi mwamitu yofunika kwambiri kwa ambiri. Ndikugwirizana nazo, zachidziwikire. Inenso ndimaona kuti Yesu anali ndi chiyambi m'lingaliro lomwe sitingalimvetse. Ndiyesera kutsutsa mfundo imeneyi mu... Werengani zambiri "
Meleti - "Tiyerekeze kuti anali ndi chiyambi. Kodi izi zimakhudza bwanji Christology yathu? Tsopano tiyeni tinene kuti wakhala ali. Kodi izi zimakhudza bwanji Christology yathu? Kunena zowona, sindikuwona momwe zimakhudzira chilichonse. Mwina wina kunja uko aganizira zimenezo. ” Ndikuvomereza kuti sizimakhudzanso chilichonse. Mwina sizimakhudza Christology kwa ambiri kupatula iwo omwe akuyesera kutsimikizira kuti Yesu ndi munthu (Asilamu mwachitsanzo) kapena kuti adalengedwa mwachitsanzo, Michael kapena Mngelo (JW's) kapena... Werengani zambiri "
Ngati, monga ndikuganiza, sitingadziwe ngati Logos idakhala ndi poyambira, ndikudabwa kuti ndichifukwa chiyani kuyesayesa kwakukulu kumayikidwa kuti tidziwe. Ndakhala ndikuganiza za izi ndikuganiza kuti ndizoyenera kutumizidwa. Sindiyankhanso kuyankha mpaka nditafika abakha anga onse motsatizana, koma mwandipatsa chakudya chambiri choganizira. Zikomo anzanu achitsulo. 😉
GodsWordIsTruth Ine ndangolankhula pa zomwe mudanena "Kuti zonenedwa kuti ndili ndi lingaliro lomwelo la INOG kuti lembo lokhalo silimatsutsa kapena kutsimikizira umulungu wa Yesu" Kuzindikira kapena kutsimikizira kukhalapo kwa Khristu ndinganene kuti sizokhudza Mulungu wake Kodi umulungu ukutanthauza chiyani? Kuti Yesu anakhalapo monga Mulungu? Ayi. Bayibulo silinanene kuti Yesu ndi Mulungu chifukwa Mulungu si munthu.Mulungu ndi mzimu.Ngati Mulungu ndiye kapangidwe kake ka zinthu monga chikondi Wisdom Patience etc. Ndipo Yesu ndiye chithunzi cha Mulungu wosaonekayo ndi mawonekedwe ake enieni... Werengani zambiri "
Ndasokonezeka… Sindikutanthauza kuti ndikhumudwe koma ndiyenera kufunsa kuti ndibwererenso kukawerenga ndemanga yanu:
1. Kodi mukukhulupirira kuti Yesu ndi [Mulungu]?
2. Kodi mumakhulupirira kuti pano ndi munthu kumwamba?
Mwachidule tangoyesa Yesu ndi Yehova mwa mawonekedwe a munthu.Munthuyo tsopano ndi mkhalapakati kumwamba kwaanthu onse.
MarkChirstopher Osayimitsanso zokambiranazo koma ndikukhulupirira kuti Yesu adayenera kutaya umunthu wake atakwera kumwamba. Kupanda kutero imapangitsa nsembe yake kukhala yopanda tanthauzo. Tikhoza kusagwirizana ndi momwe zidachitikira kapena liti (kuuka kwa thupi motsutsana ndi kuuka monga mzimu.) Mwina mfundo zomwe zikukambidwa mu mkangano wa "Yesu akadali Munthu" zikundidutsa. Sindikuwona chifukwa chomwe tingaganizire kuti Yesu akadali Munthu monganso momwe tingaganizire kuti ndi mwanawankhosa weniweni yemwe adaphedwa kapena mkango weniweni wa Yuda. Makamaka pamene mikangano iyi... Werengani zambiri "
Chitsulo chimakulanso chitsulo! Kuti tilandire mfundo yoti titha kukhala olakwitsa, tiyenera kukhulupilira kuti mwina tili ndi zolakwika ndikuvomera kuvomereza chowonadi cha nkhaniyi. Tonse tili ndi ziphunzitso zakhungu kapena / kapena zolakwa m'malingaliro athu. Kuchita pakukhulupirira kuti ndife m'modzi mwa ochepera omwe ali ndi Choonadi cha m'Malemba ndizodziwika bwino. Tiyenera kusamala kuti tisamaganize kuti tikulankhula. Munthu akakumbatira mpweya woterewu ndimaona kuti ndi wotetezeka... Werengani zambiri "
Meleti, ndikupatseni lingaliro - m'malo mopita kukakambirana mwina zingakhale zoyenera komanso zopindulitsa ngati tingaloledwe kupitiliza zokambiranazi ndi inu komanso ena pano pa BP. Zowona kuti pali masamba opitilira 24 pamutu wokhudzana ndi kukhalapo kwa Yesu kwaanthu pagulu lazokambirana zitha kuwonetsa kuti sitingachite motere. Kwa ife tonse, chikhumbo chathu ndicho kufikira chowonadi cha Mawu a Mulungu ndi kuthandiza abale athu. Zikomo.
Yehova analenga zinthu kudzera m'Mawu ake.
Masalimo 33: 6 Mwa Mawu a AMBUYE AMBUYE AMADZIMU adapangidwa, ndi makamu ake onse ndi Mpweya wa pakamwa pake.
Chifukwa chake Yehova yekha ndi amene adalenga zinthu zonse kudzera m'Mawu ake. Palibe wina. Mawu Ake omwe adasandulika thupi kupulumutsa anthu kuuchimo ndi imfa kudzera mwa cholengedwa chatsopano
Col 1:16 Chifukwa mwa Iye zinalengedwa zonse zam'mwamba ndi zapadziko lapansi, zinthu zowoneka ndi zinthu zosaoneka, ngakhale ali mipando yachifumu, kapena amfumu, kapena maboma kapena maulamuliro. Zinthu zonse zinalengedwa kudzera mwa iye ndi kwa iye. Col 1:17 Komanso, iye ali woyamba wa zinthu zina zonse ndipo mwa Iye zinalengedwa zinthu zonse, Col 1:18 ndipo ndiye mutu wa thupi, mpingo. Iye ndiye woyamba, woyamba kubadwa kwa akufa, kuti akhale woyamba... Werengani zambiri "
Ndidaphunzitsidwa ndi Watchtower kuti "woyamba kubadwa" mu Akolose ali ndi tanthauzo lenileni. Ndinkawalola iwo kuti azilamulira. Kutanthauza kuti mumayang'ana zomwe zikutanthauza m'mbuyomu m'chipangano chakale. Kenako mutha kuwona zomwe zikutanthauza mu chipangano chatsopano. Ponena za Mfumu Davide Yehova akuti. Masalimo 89:27 "Ndipo ndidzamuyesa iye akhale woyamba wanga wamwamuna, wokwezeka koposa wa mafumu a dziko lapansi". Yesu Kristu amangotchulidwa kuti Mwana kuyambira nthawi yomwe anali padziko lapansi, izi zisanachitike... Werengani zambiri "
"Ndi lingaliro langa lodzichepetsa komanso losalephera" ??? Zosangalatsa pang'ono?
Ndiye mukunena kuti Logos sakanatha "chithunzi" cha Mulungu ali kumwamba, koma padziko lapansi?
Nkhani yozungulira ikuwonetsa kuti ndi yokhudza munthu. Angelo ndi osawonekeranso, nchifukwa chiyani chikhazikitso cha Mawu chikhala chifanizo cha Mulungu wosawoneka kwa iwo?
"Ndi lingaliro langa lodzichepetsa komanso lopanda tanthauzo" ??? Kodi ndizoseketsa pang'ono bwanji?
Ndinali woona mtima, Ngati ndikulakwitsa momwe ndimawonera zinthu zomwe ndikukhulupirira kuti ndikutha kuvomereza kuti ndalakwitsa
Mukuwona kuti malingaliro anu ndi osayenera?
Komanso kutsatira malingaliro a ImJustAsking pa wogwiritsa ntchito "is" vs. "was" mu vesi 16, ngati "woyamba kubadwa" sangagwiritse ntchito zakale chifukwa cha liwu lanthawiyi "ali", ndiye kuti ayenera kuti anali chithunzi cha wosawonekayo Mulungu ndiye. Popeza panthawi yomwe analemba izi analinso wosaoneka, sitingathe "chithunzi" chake kuwonekera kokha.
Mark Christopher - "Akolose sakutiphunzitsa kuti Yesu ndiye woyamba kulengedwa, koma. Ndiye woyamba kubadwa wa chilengedwe chatsopano, komanso ikutikumbutsa kuti kudzera mwa iye "Mawu" poyambirira zinthu zonse zidalengedwa. " Pa izi ndikuvomereza kwathunthu. Ndayang'ana Akolose mosiyanasiyana ndipo ndikumaliza kunena kuti mafotokozedwe a WT ndiye muzu wazamvetsetsa kuti Yesu ndi chilengedwe. Malembo amaphunzitsa kuti Wobadwa woyamba amathanso kukhala mutu womwe ungasamutsidwe kwa wina. Tengani David mwachitsanzo ... iye anali... Werengani zambiri "
Buku la BeDuhn limanena kuti kalembedwe kamalamulo ka 'woyamba kubadwa wa chilengedwe' kukuwonetseratu kuti Yesu alidi, 'wachilengedwe'. Kodi muli ndi chifukwa chabwino chomukayikira pa izi?
Sindikumukayikira chifukwa sindikudziwa kuti ndi ndani. Ndine wokonda kudziwa chifukwa chake ndiyenera kudziwa yemwe ali komanso chifukwa chake mawu ake akuyenera kulemera ...
Pepani. Dzina lake limatchulidwa kawirikawiri pamsonkhano uno ndimaganiza kuti aliyense pano amadziwa kuti ndi ndani. Komabe, Jason BeDuhn adalemba buku la "Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament" lomwe limasanthula matembenuzidwe angapo a NT komanso momwe amathandizira, makamaka, ndi zolemba zakale za Utatu, pakati pawo, Col. 1.15-20. Anatinso "woyamba kubadwa wa chilengedwe cha NIV" alibe chifukwa komanso kuti mawu oti "chilengedwe" akuwonetsa kuti Yesu anali gawo la chilengedwe. Ndi kuwerenga kochititsa chidwi, ngakhale kuli kotsika mtengo kwambiri.
Akolose 1:16 Potengera lembalo, titha kunena kuti akunena za chilengedwe chatsopano - Ufumu wa Mulungu. (Akolose 1: 13-18)
Pokhapokha vesi 16 silikugwirizana ndi chilengedwe chatsopano. 17 akuti ali patsogolo pa zinthu zonse.
18 imamutcha woyamba kubadwa kwa akufa. Chifukwa chake ali woyamba kubadwa wa chilengedwe chonse (osati chilengedwe china. Chilengedwe chatsopano sichili zonse) Iye ndi woyamba kubadwa kwa akufa. Udindo wobadwa woyamba.
Kuti awonetse kuti onse ndi awiri oyamba kukhala oyamba kubadwa, Paulo akuti, "kuti akhale woyamba pa zonse."
Yesu ali "patsogolo pa zonse" Akolose 1:17 - liwu loti "patsogolo" posonyeza, monga zimakhalira nthawi zonse, ukulu wapamwamba m'malo mokhala wofunikira munthawi yake. Yesu adatsogola kuposa ena onse m'chilengedwe "chatsopano". Amakonzekeretsa dziko lapansi m'malingaliro a Mulungu kuti amupatse cholowa cha zinthu zonse. Ndiye woyamba kulandira moyo wosafa mwa kuukitsidwa, chifukwa chake mu vesi 18 Yesu ndiye "woyamba kubadwa kuchokera kwa akufa". Kunali kuuka kwake kwa akufa komwe kunamupangitsa iye kukhala wamkulu pansi pa Mulungu pa chilengedwe chonse chatsopano ndi maulamuliro onse mmenemo. Vesi 18 ndilo... Werengani zambiri "
Wawa Meleti choyamba zikomo pondilola kuti ndikhale mlendo patsamba lanu ndikundilola kuti ndiyankhe. Ndikuyamikira kwambiri chisomo chanu, makamaka popeza ndimatsutsana ndipo ndikuganiza kuti mwina simukuganizira zonse. Mosiyana ndi 'ambuye athu aumunthu' muli ndi ulemu komanso chikondi kulola iwo omwe sakugwirizana nanu kuti anene chidutswa chawo ndipo ndikuthokoza. Tsopano mpaka kumalo anga a Time Meleti malingaliro anu amatengera mawu odabwitsa akuti Nthawi ndimapangidwe. Zoonadi? Kodi mungakhale otsimikiza, liti... Werengani zambiri "
Moni ImJustAsking, Kuyankha funso lanu, chifukwa nthawi siyimandilola kuyankha mfundoyi. Re: Nthawi ngati cholengedwa. Sayansi yatsimikizira ngakhale kuyesera kuti liwiro lomwe nthawi yake limayenda limasiyanasiyana kutengera kuthamanga kwa chinthu chomwe chikudziwona. Chifukwa chake ngati mungayende kufupi ndi kuthamanga kwa kuwala, mutha kumayamba pang'onopang'ono. Popeza nthawi ndi gawo lamapangidwe a danga, ndi gawo la chilengedwe. Chifukwa kuti pakhale nthawi monga momwe tikudziwira, payenera kukhala nkhani yoyenda. Nkhaniyo ikafulumira,... Werengani zambiri "
Nthawi - hmm. Ndiwe munthu wolimba mtima kulingalira za china chake chomwe timamvetsetsa pang'ono za (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time) koposa momwe zimakhudzira anthu ena. Ndikumva zomwe munanenazo koma ndizongopeka chifukwa sizingatsimikizidwe kudzera m'Baibulo kapena mwasayansi. Phil 2:16 - Pepani ndimatanthauza kutchula kwa Akolose 1:15. Chifukwa chake ndibwereza zomwe ndidanenanso kale: Chigamulochi chimati 'is' not 'was'. Kugwiritsa ntchito 'is' kukuwonetsa zomwe sizinachitike kale. Chifukwa chake zambiri zomwe titha kutenga kuchokera pamawuwa ndi zokhudzana ndi chikhalidwe cha Yesu PANO... Werengani zambiri "
Re: Nthawi. Sizongoganizira chabe. Ndizotsimikizika zenizeni zasayansi. Komabe, ngati tivomereza malingaliro anu, ndiye kuti Mulungu alipo nthawi yake. Izi zingamupangitse Mulungu kumvera nthawi. Kodi mukutha kumuwona Yehova akugwidwa m'nthaŵi yathu ino? Ndipo ndani adapanga nthawi ngati si Mulungu, kapena mukuganiza kuti nthawiyo idalipo? Ndi choncho ndiye ndi mkhalidwe wa Mulungu. Ngati ndi choncho, chifukwa chiyani malembo osaphunzitsa izi. Re: Akol. 1: 5 Ndimakhala woyamba kubadwa m'banja langa. Pogwiritsa ntchito malingaliro anu, ndiyenera kunena kuti "ndinali woyamba kubadwa". Komabe ndizo... Werengani zambiri "
Meleti anatero
"Ngati a MarkChristopher andipatsa umboni wa m'Malemba pankhaniyi, ndiye kuti ndizikhala ndi nthawi yambiri ndikuiganizira."
Ndiyenera kuyika mwanjira ina. Kodi mukunena kuti Mawu adakhalapo pambali pa Mulungu ngati mzungu wopanda chozungulira.Palibe.
Ayi, sindikunena choncho.
Mndandanda wabwino, Meleti! Ndikuganiza kuti vuto ndi ili: Pamapeto pake, muli ndi akhristu omwe amamuchitira Yesu ngati kuti ndi Mulungu Wamphamvuyonse. Ndipo pamapeto pake muli ndi a Mboni za Yehova omwe amamutenga Yesu ngati woposa mngelo - "cholengedwa chauzimu" (Simukungokonda momwe amamufanizira ndi mawu amenewo?). Ndi lingaliro langa kuti chowonadi chagona pakatikati. Yesu ali ndi chikhalidwe chofanana ndi Mulungu Wamphamvuyonse. Aheberi akuti ndiye chifaniziro chenicheni cha Mulungu. Izi zitha kufotokoza chifukwa chomwe adayitanidwira... Werengani zambiri "
Mfundo yosangalatsa yomwe ndidakumana nayo - Mukadakhala kuti muli ndi Chingerezi Mabaibulo onse achingelezi omwe analipo chaka cha 1582 chisanafike, mukadakhala ndi lingaliro losiyana kwambiri ndi mavesi oyamba a Yohane:
“Pachiyambi panali mawu ndipo mawu anali kwa Mulungu ndipo mawuwo anali Mulungu. Zinthu zonse zinakhalako kudzera mwa iye, ndipo popanda izo, palibe ngakhale imodzi yomwe inalengedwa. ”
Pezani zabwino, Jannai40!
Iyi ndi mfundo yofunika kwambiri. Likulu W lidawonjezedwa pamenepo nthawi ina, kunalibe zilembo zazikulu mu Chi Greek choyambirira. Ngati mawuwo ndi "iyo" m'malo mwa "iye", amasintha tanthauzo la ndime yonseyo.
Tikuwona ngati ndi "kapena" kapena "iye" kutengera nkhaniyo. Palibe maziko amalingaliro akuti Mawuwo ndi "iwo".
Ngati sindili kulakwitsa, m'Chi Greek mulibe kugwiritsa ntchito mitu kapena ma capitala, zilembo zonse zinali zofanana. Kugwiritsa ntchito mitu ikuluikulu kumabweranso patapita nthawi ndipo zili kwa womasulira kuti akalembe kapena ayi kutsatira capital.
Ndikuganiza kuti Jannai40 ali ndi malingaliro ena oganiza bwino.Ndiganiza pomwe baibulo limagwiritsa ntchito liwu loti "Mawu" limatanthauzadi kuchokera kwa Mulungu mwini. Sili gulu losiyana popanda Mulungu. Osati "iye" weniweni mu Miyambo 8, nzeru ndi kuchenjera amafotokozedwa ngati iye kapena mkaziyo.Koma kwenikweni ndikuwona kuti Mulungu ndiye Nzeru ndipo miyambi imagwiritsa ntchito ndakatulo posonyeza momwe Mulungu amagwiritsira ntchito nzeru zake.Pamene Mulungu amatumiza nzeru zake satumiza gulu lomwe limakhala mwana wake weniweni. Miyambo 1 ″ Kodi nzeru siitana? Kumvetsa sikumakweza mawu. ” Miy 1: 12I, ”nzeru, kukhala... Werengani zambiri "
Meleti, ndikawerenga ndemanga, ndimakhala ndi lingaliro kuti kuti ndithandizire anthu kumvetsetsa Yohane 1: 1, zingakhale zothandiza ngati titenga malingaliro ena okhudzana ndi kukhalapo kwa Yesu Khristu. Ndikudziwa kuti tili ndi komiti yokambirana yomwe imathandiza kwambiri anthu, koma ndikuganiza kuti ndikunena zowona kuti ambiri amakonda bata la BP. Palibe cholakwika chilichonse, inde - tili othokoza kwambiri pagulu lazokambirana, koma sindikuganiza kuti ndi la aliyense, koma ndichakuti limathandiza ambiri.
Ndimatenga mfundo yanu, Jannai40 ndikuvomera kuti forum iliyonse ili ndi gawo lake. Ndikukonzekera kukhazikitsa mutu womwe mumatchula m'tsogolomu munkhani zino za Mawu.
Ndiyenera kuvomereza Jannai. Kunena zowona ndidangopeza tsamba ili pasanathe mwezi umodzi koma ndaphunzira zambiri pazolemba komanso pazolemba ndi ndemanga zonse. Monga momwe Timoteo akutiwuza - Sinkhasinkha zinthu izi (Zauzimu). Tsambali limatilola kuchita izi, kukhala wokhoza kusinkhasinkha malingaliro a ena ndi gawo limodzi la maphunziro. Ndipo iyi ndiye njira yabwino kwambiri yochitira izi.
Chifukwa chake tikuthokoza aliyense chifukwa cha zolemba ndi ndemanga zomwe ndikudziwa tonsefe timayamikira ntchito yomwe mwapereka ku Meliti iyi.
Meleti,
Mutawerenga nkhani yanu. Ndidasiyidwa ndikuganiza kuti Yesu Khristu adakhalapo ngati mulungu wopatulidwa kuchokera kwa Atate Mulungu koma onsewa amapezeka nthawi ndi malo. Koma kodi chilengedwe, kuphatikizapo angelo ndi ochokera kwa Atate ndi Mwana?
Mulungu amapezeka kunja kwa danga / nthawi yopitilira chilengedwe. Ponena za Yesu ndi angelo, sindikudziwa kwenikweni. Zachidziwikire kuti amatha kulumikizana ndi kupitiriza kwathu. Tate wa onse ndiye mlengi wa zonse, koma adagwiritsa ntchito mwana wake wamwamuna monga mawu ake awonetseredwa polenga zinthu zonse. Uku ndiye kumvetsetsa kwanga pakadali pano.
“Pachiyambi panali mawu” sizikutanthauza “Pachiyambi panali Mwana”. "Monga momwe munthu amaganizira mumtima mwake (ndikuyankhula) momwemonso" ali "iye. (Miyambo 23: 7). Pachiyambi panali mawu, ndiwo mawu a Mulungu. John sananene kuti mawuwa anali wolankhulira. Komabe, liwulo litha kukhala "wolankhulira", ndipo ndizomwe zidachitika pomwe Mulungu adadzifotokozera yekha mwa Mwana pomubweretsa Yesu m'mbiri. Yesu anabadwa mwa namwali Mariya ndipo izi zisanachitike Yesu kunalibe. Tikaphunzira zowona za... Werengani zambiri "
Kwa onse akutsatira zokambiranazi, pali mutu woti "Kukhalapo kwa Yesu Asanakhale"Pa Kambiranani Choonadi bwalo. Zokambirana zosiyanasiyana za pro ndi con zakhala zikutsutsana pamenepo kwambiri - masamba 24 ofunika ndikuwerengedwa. 🙂
'Chiyambi' chiti - ndingadabwe kuti ndi 'chiyambi' chiti chomwe Baibulo likunena. Pakadali pano tangopatsidwa chiyambi chongoyerekeza nthawi yomwe Baibulo silitchulapo. Chiyambi Choyamba m'Baibulo chimayamba ndi Genesis. Kulankhula za chiyambi china chilichonse ndi nkhambakamwa chabe. Mbali inayi, kuyambira ku Genesis, Baibulo limalankhula za Zoyambitsa zina zambiri. Sakani mawu. Komanso, ndi zolengedwa zingati zomwe zili m'Baibulo? Kodi ndi Genesis basi? Chifukwa chake chilengedwe ndi Yohane kapena Paulo (mwachitsanzo... Werengani zambiri "
M'ndime ya Yohane 1 tili ndi Mawu otchulidwa kuti ndi amene kudzera mwa iye komanso kudzera mwa iye zinthu zonse zinakhalapo. (Vs.3) M'ndime yapitayi, akunenedwa kuti anali pachiyambi ndi Mulungu. Chifukwa chake nkhaniyo itipangitsa kuganiza kuti chiyambi chomwe chikunenedwa pano ndi chimodzimodzi pa Genesis 1: 1, "Pachiyambi Mulungu adalenga kumwamba ndi dziko lapansi."
M'malo mokhala munthu womvera "mawu" mu Yohane 1: 1 ndiye anali index yonse yamaganizidwe a Mulungu. Chifukwa chake, pamene Yohane 1: 1 amalankhula za "MAWU" sikunali panthawiyo "Mwana" kufikira Yohane 1:14 pamene "mawu ANAKHALA thupi."
Tiyeni tigwirizane kutsutsana pa izi. 🙂
Meleti - Ndimachita chidwi ndi chifukwa chomwe mungatsutsire. Kodi pali zomveka kapena ndi momwe 'mumamvera' za lembalo?
Ndikulingalira kuti Jannai40 sizitanthauza munthu wazocheperako zaumunthu, koma mokwanira pokhala. Inde, Yesu asanabwere padziko lapansi anali munthu wachifundo. Palibe china chomwe chingagwirizane ndi mavumbulutso okhudza iye m'Malemba.
Lemba la Jannai limaphunzitsa kuti Mulungu adatumiza Mwana wake wobadwa yekha. Chifukwa chake ayenera kuti anali Mwana wake asanamutumize. Malemba amanenanso kuti Mawu anali Pachiyambi. Ndi kuti Mau awa adalenga zinthu zonse.
Ndimagwirizana ndi chilichonse kupatula chiganizo chomaliza. Yohane 1 amafotokoza momveka bwino kuti zinthu zonse zidapangidwa kudzera mwa iye. Anali ndi gawo pazolengedwa, koma sanali Mlengi.
Kodi lembalo likutiphunzitsa kuti Yesu adangokhala ndi "gawo" polenga? Akolose 1: 16-17
“Pakuti kudzera mwa iye, Mulungu analenga zonse za kumwamba ndi za pa dziko lapansi. Adapanga zinthu zomwe tingathe kuziona komanso zomwe sitingathe kuziona - monga mipando yachifumu, maufumu, olamulira, ndi maulamuliro mdziko losaonekali. Chilichonse chinalengedwa kudzera mwa iye ndiponso chifukwa cha iye. ” Akol. 1.16 NLT
Zidakali kudzera mwa iye. Inde, udindo wake m'chilengedwe ungakhale waukulu kwambiri akadakhala kuti ndiye Mlengi.
Jannai40
Ndikuganiza zako pachinthu pamenepo.
“Mawu” anali atawonekera pafupifupi nthawi 1,450 (kuphatikiza mneni “kulankhula” maulendo 1,140) mu Baibulo lachihebri. Tanthauzo lake lenileni la "liwu" ndikulankhula, kulonjeza, kulamula ndi zina zotero. Sanatanthauze za umunthu - osati "Mwana wa Mulungu"; kapena wolankhulira. Mawu ambiri amatanthauza cholozera cha malingaliro - mawu, mawu. Pali matanthauzo osiyanasiyana a "mawu" ndi "munthu" sali pakati pa matanthauzowa. Yohane 1: 1 "Pachiyambi Mulungu adali nacho chiwembu, ndipo chikonzero mudali mumtima mwa Mulungu, ndipo mudali 'Mulungu' - ndiye Mulungu pakuwulula kwake. Dongosolo linali... Werengani zambiri "
>> Sizinatanthauze kukhalapo kwake
Ndingafunike mwaulemu kusagwirizana.
ngati LOGOS sakanayimiridwa m'mabaibulo omasuliridwa ndi capital W, ndikuganiza owerenga ambiri sangaganize kuti akuimira munthu kapena cholengedwa koma "uthenga, ngakhale lingaliro kapena zina" ndi zina zambiri.
Ngati ma logo samayimira Yesu, zomwe ndizotheka, sizitengera kuti Yesu ndi mulungu. Chifukwa mawu oti adasandulika thupi amatanthauza kuti tateyo adasankha kutumiza mwana wake kudziko lapansi, m'thupi, kuti adzaimire ndikulengeza mawu ake.
M'mawu osavuta omwe ndimakhulupirira ndikuti Mulungu adadzigawa ndipo mwana wocheperako adakhala mwana. Kenako mwana uja adagwiritsa ntchito mphamvu zina kuchokera kwa mulungu ndikupanga china chilichonse ..
Ngati Mwana anali wocheperachepera wake, ndiye kuti sakanakhala WOPEREKA. Kwa ena onse ndimangoganiza za Logos yomwe ili ndi mizere yofananira, kuti idachokera kwa Atate ndikuwoneka m'njira zonse monga Atate wake (mawonekedwe, anzeru mwachilengedwe), koma kugwira ntchito ndi udindo wina.
Cholinga chomwe ndikunenera ndichifukwa choti jesus mwiniwakeyo adati bambo anali wamkulu kuposa iye .also 1 corinsians amalankhula za mwana adadzigonjera kwa abambo kumapeto kwa zaka chikwi .ndipamene bible likuti ndiye chiwonetsero chofananira .pamene imanena ndendende imatinso KUSINTHA. .Malingaliro anga akuimilira si choyambirira.
Mukuwerenga kwambiri mawu akuti. Lingaliro loyambirira limachokera ku mphete yosindikizidwa kukhala phula. Mulungu wakometsa mikhalidwe yake mwa Khristu.
Mwanjira ina, kodi tonse sitili otalikirana ndi Mulungu? Mphamvu zophatikizidwa m'mapaketi a zinthu zomwe zimapanga thupi langa, kodi sizinachokere kwa Mulungu, gwero la mphamvu zonse?
Ndikulakalaka ndikadatha kuyika izi mwaluso monga nonse. . pamwamba pake ndatopa ndikumva mutu. . . Ndatopa ndikufufuza za izi. .koma sindingathe kukumbukira chilichonse. . .ndipo zambiri za galamala zidadutsa pamutu panga .. komabe. . Inenso, ndidatsala ndikumverera. kumvetsetsa. . mapeto. . . kuti Mwanayo anali (sankaganiza kuti ndi Mulungu 'wogawika' koma adatuluka mwa Atate. Ndikuganiza kuti pali ubale wa Atate / Mwana pakati pawo womwe ife. . bwino pa... Werengani zambiri "
Mumapanga mfundo zabwino kwambiri, Bjfox1. Malinga ndi malingaliro anu komanso a ena onse omwe afotokozapo pano, zikuwoneka kuti pali malingaliro osiyanasiyana okhudzana ngati Yesu anapangidwa motsutsana ndi kubadwa ndi kubadwa. Thupi la munthu lidapangidwa kuchokera kuzinthu zomwe zidalipo kale, koma kenako lidapangidwa pomwe Mulungu adapumira mpweya wamoyo m'mphuno mwake. Fanizo lina lomwe ndimaganiza kuti kupopera mpweya kulowa mthupi lopanda moyo sikutanthauza kuti lingakhale ndi moyo. (Genesis 2: 7) Angelo analengedwa. Bwanji? Sitikudziwa. Kodi Mulungu adatenga mphamvu zake ndikuzipanga? Kapena adapanga zauzimu... Werengani zambiri "
Ndibwino kuti, zomwe ndachotsa pa Yohane 1: 1 ndi zinthu ziwiri zofunika zomwe zimawonjezera kukambirana zakuti Yesu ndi ndani (kapena Logos) Σος Choyamba: Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος Yesu (Logos) ndi wamuyaya. Ndatengera izi motere: 1. Munthu wamuyaya (woyambira pang'ono) ayenera kukhalapo zinthu zisanayambike 2. Logos idalipo kale "en arche", pachiyambi. 3. Chifukwa chake, Logos ndiyamuyaya 2. Logos ndiye theos, Devine mwa iye... Werengani zambiri "
Ndimalimbikitsa malingaliro awa. Yesu ndi munthu waumulungu. Ngati satana amadziwika kuti ndi mulungu, ndiye kuti Yesu. Ndikumvetsa chisokonezo. Sikuti chifukwa chogwiritsa ntchito zolembazo kapena kusakhalapo kwake komanso kugwiritsa ntchito zilembo zazikulu. Mulungu kutsutsana ndi Mulungu. Greek Greek onse anali mu mitu. Chifukwa chake, Yohane 1: 1 atha kutanthauzidwanso motere: Pachiyambi panali Mawu, ndipo Mawu anali ndi Mulungu, ndipo Mawuyo anali mulungu. 2 Mawu anali ndi Mulungu pa chiyambi. Kusintha ndi mawu akuti mulungu osati likulu. Imawonekerabe... Werengani zambiri "
Poyerekeza nthawi yathu ino, Origen ndi Tertullian ndi Akhristu oyambirira. Amawerenga Bayibulo m'Chigiriki popanda zosokoneza zomwe adatulutsa ndipo adagwiritsa ntchito John 1: 1 kuwonetsa kuti a Lagos anali Mulungu.
Sindikudziwana kwenikweni ndi malingaliro komanso malingaliro a Origen ndi Tertullian.
Tertullian ndimakhulupirira kuti adagwiritsa ntchito Chilatini. Origen adati onse omwe amatchedwa milungu koma Atate amachitika mwanjira yochokera kwa Atate.
Sindingagwirizane kwathunthu ndi lingaliro lomwe laperekedwa pamwambapa. “Ngati Yohane adafuna kuwonetsa kuti Yesu ndi Mulungu osati mulungu chabe, akadalemba izi. “Pachiyambi panali mawu ndipo mawu anali kwa mulungu ndipo mulungu ndiye anali mawu. (Uyu) anali pachiyambi kwa Mulungu. ” Tsopano mayina onse atatu ali otsimikizika. Palibe chinsinsi apa. Ndi galamala wamba yachi Greek. ” Ngakhale ambiri aku Trinitiari amalakwitsa kugwiritsa ntchito vesi ili kutsimikizira kuti Yesu ndiye MULUNGU, ndikhulupilira ndizolakwika kunena kuti izi... Werengani zambiri "
Zomwe tili nazo mu Yohane 1:18 ndichitsanzo cha theos ya anarthrous (yochepera). Ndizowona mu Chigriki kuti nkhani yonena za theos sikutanthauza chinthu chotsimikizika, koma sizili choncho pankhani yokomera yomwe ndi yomwe imagwiritsidwa ntchito pa Yohane 1: 1. Jason Debuhn akulemba kuti: “Mlandu wosankhidwawo umadalira kwambiri milandu ina yachi Greek pankhani yotsimikizika kuti ndi yotsimikizika. Pali zochepa zochepa zokhazokha zomwe zingapangitse chisankho chodziwika bwino cha theos kukhala chotsimikizika. Izi zikuphatikizapo kupezeka kwa mneneriyophatikizira (Yohane 8:54; 2... Werengani zambiri "
Ndimadziwa bwino ntchito ya BeDuhn. Iye anali ine ndinawerenga ntchito ya Beduhn. Ndikugwirizana ndi zomwe zanenedwa pamwambapa. Anatinso yekha kuti amutanthauzira kuti "mawuwa ndi amulungu". (Ndanena pamwambapa kuti panali chifukwa CHABWINO chomasulira kuti qualitative) ("" Akonzi a Mboni za Yehova, pofotokoza vesili, akuti akuyesera kunena kuti mawuwa ali ndi tanthauzo- kutanthauza kuti, mawuwo ndi gulu la zolengedwa zaumulungu. Izi ndi zoona. M'malo mwake, zikuwoneka bwino kwa ine kuti liwu loti theos lili m'ndime iyi ndichimasulidwe.... Werengani zambiri "
Kuphatikiza pazokambiranazi, ndikupeza kafukufuku yemwe Don Hartley adachita chidwi kwambiri.
Zotsatira za Hartley zikuwonetsa kuti mu Uthenga Wabwino wa Yohane, PN yowerengera nthawi zambiri imakhala yoyenera (56%), mosiyana ndi yotsimikizika (11%), yopanda malire (17%), kapena yopanda malire (17%). Akumaliza kuti kuchokera pakuwunika kosanthula, THEOS mu Yohane 1: 1c ndiyabwino kwambiri.
Zagwirizana. Kumvetsetsa kwa Harner ndikuti "mulungu" amanenedwa mochulukira, ngati m'modzi mwa gulu la milungu. Zili ngati kunena kuti, "John ndi munthu wanzeru." kapena "John ndiwanzeru." Pazochitika zonsezi wanena chimodzimodzi, m'modzi wokhala ndi dzina loyambirira pomwe winayo ali ndi chiganizo.
Ndimakhulupirira kuti Yesu ndi Mulungu kapena ndi waumulungu. Kuchokera kwa John 1: 1 simungatsimikizire zoposa pamenepo. Zimafunika kuti mbiri yonse youziridwayo ifike pamapeto omveka bwino.
INOG, munati "izi zimasiya khomo lotseguka la mtsutso ngati Yesu ndi Mulungu kapena cholengedwa chauzimu". Sindikuganiza choncho, chifukwa pali zambiri pa vesili kuposa pa Yohane 1: 1c. Nanga bwanji 'Mawuyo anali ndi Mulungu'? Ngati liwulo linali "laumulungu" ndipo linali ndi Mulungu, zikuwoneka zowonekeratu kuti 'ali m'gulu la zolengedwa zauzimu' koma SI Mulungu yemwe anali "naye". Izi, kuphatikiza Yesu mobwerezabwereza kutchula Mulungu kuti “Mulungu wanga”, ngakhale atabwerera kumwamba (monga pa Chiv. 3:12) zingawoneke kuti zikuwonekeratu kuti, ngakhale... Werengani zambiri "
Mulungu ndi Wopambana mu mkhalidwe kapena chilengedwe. Ngati Logos ikunenedwanso kuti ndi Devine, zomwezo zimasiya funso lotseguka. Palibe funso kuti Mulungu uyu ndi ndani, ndi Atate wawo. Palibe amene amatsutsa izi. Zomwe ndidanena ndikuti vesili palokha silingakhale ngati umboni kapena wotsutsa. Pali zifukwa zake: iye kukhala wamuyaya komanso Wopembedza, pali zifukwa zomwe zingagwiritsidwenso ntchito: kodi sizoyenera kukhala ndi Mulungu ndikukhala Mulungu nthawi yomweyo. Ndikuganiza kuti nkhaniyi ndi yozama kwambiri pamenepo... Werengani zambiri "
Zomwe tiyenera kupeza mu Yohane 1 ndiko kusowa kwa nkhaniyi pamaso pa Mulungu kukutchulani inu atate. Kuti sitikuwulula kusiyanasiyana
Mawuwo anali ndi mulunguyo ndipo mawuwo anali mulungu. Wakufa meleti meleti .Tizindikira izi kwa nthawi yayitali .. pali kusiyana pakati pa theos koyamba ndi yachiwiri mu vesi lake sikungowamasulira iwo chimodzimodzi. Ndikukumbukira zaka zambiri zapitazo kuphunzira kwakuzama komwe ndidachita pa mavesi amenewa kunanditsogolera kuti ndinazindikira kuti nkhani yachiwiri ndi yofotokozera. Zaumulungu .Mulungu ok.. Mwinanso kufotokoza chilengedwe .. Liwu lake Mulungu kumene timawoneka kuti timasokonezeka. Tikati mawu... Werengani zambiri "
Meleti, ndikugwirizana ndi zambiri zomwe mumalemba, komabe pali mfundo zochepa zomwe ndikufuna kutulutsa. "YESU ANALENGEDWA" 1) Kodi ndi Tate wamtundu wanji amene amatcha mwana wake woyamba kubadwa kuti "chilengedwe" chake? China chake chomwe mumapanga, kunena, loboti, sichingafanane ndi Mlengi wake. Komabe Yesu ndiye chifanizo chamoyo cha Atate wake. 2) Yohane 1: 3 “Kudzera mwa Iye zinthu zonse zinalengedwa; kopanda iye sikunalengedwa kanthu kalikonse kolengedwa. ” Akadakhala kuti adalengedwa, akadapangidwa. Kodi Yohane 1: 3 amatanthauza kuti iye anadzipanga yekha? Ndikukhulupirira kuti akumaliza ndikuti anali kunja kwa chilengedwe. 3)... Werengani zambiri "
Ponena kuti "woyamba kubadwa" amatanthauza kuti padzakhala ena:
Njira inanso yoganizira za "woyamba kubadwa wa chilengedwe" ndikutanthauza kuti ndiye woyamba kubadwa m'chifanizo cha Mulungu, ndikuti oyera mtima obadwanso mwatsopano adzatsatira monga obadwa mwa umulungu atawukitsidwa.
Wawa Alex, ndiyankha mwachidule chifukwa kukambirana mozama kupindula ndi mutu watsopano pa http://www.discussthetruth.com. 1) Monga ndidafotokozera, woyamba kubadwa ndi fanizo lotithandiza kumvetsetsa kena kake ka ubale pakati pa Mulungu ndi Logos. Zowona kuti kukhala chilengedwe kumapangitsa Yesu kukhala wocheperako kuposa yemwe adamulenga, zomwe zikugwirizana ndi zomwe Yesu amatiphunzitsa pa Yohane 14:28. Momwemonso, kukhala chithunzi cha wina sikutanthauza kufanana. 2) Paulo akuwonetsa kuti mawu omwe akuwoneka ophatikizira onse atha kukhala ndi tanthauzo lina pamene akuti, "". . .Pakuti [Mulungu] adaika zinthu zonse pansi pa mapazi ake. Koma akanena... Werengani zambiri "
"Kupangidwa, kupangidwa, kutulutsidwa, onse ndi mawu omwe ali ndi tanthauzo lomwe limachepetsa zenizeni komanso zaulemerero za Logos."
Ndikugwirizana ndi izi. Ndimakonda mawu oti "kubereka" kuposa mawu amenewo, chifukwa alibe tanthauzo.
woyamba kubadwa angatanthauzenso "wofunika kwambiri kapena wodziwika kwambiri", ufulu woyamba monga woyamba kubadwa m'banja. Jacob adakhala woyamba kubadwa ndikulandila ufulu wokhala woyamba kubadwa, ngakhale mwakuthupi sanali mwana woyamba kubadwa. Kukhala woyamba kubadwa nthawi zonse kunali kwapadera kwambiri. Zomwezo ndi pasaka. Anayenera kuwaza magazi kuti ateteze MABUKU AWO OYAMBA kwa wowononga. Umo ndi momwe ndinawerengera pamene Yesu amatchedwa woyamba kubadwa. Ndiwodziwika kwambiri pazinthu zonse zolengedwa kapena zomwe zilipo. Makamaka olemba NT nthawi zambiri amayenera kutsindika kufunikira kwa Yesu.... Werengani zambiri "
Moni Menrov,
Malingaliro anga pankhani yakumvetsetsa kwina kwa woyamba kubadwa amaphatikizidwa kumapeto.
Ndidafotokozanso za nkhaniyi kuti woyamba kubadwa ndi fanizo kapena fanizo lomwe Mulungu adagwiritsa ntchito kutithandiza kumvetsetsa kuti mwana wake adapangidwa ndi iye. Adam, Eva, ndi Angelo onse adalengedwa ndi Mulungu kudzera mwa Mwana wake, Logos. Logos idapangidwanso. Komabe izi sizimachotsa mawonekedwe ake apadera, udindo ndi chilengedwe.
"Yohane 1: 3" Kudzera mwa Iye zinthu zonse zinalengedwa; kopanda iye sikunalengedwa kanthu kalikonse kolengedwa. ” Akadakhala kuti adalengedwa, akadapangidwa. Kodi Yohane 1: 3 amatanthauza kuti iye anadzipanga yekha? Ndikukhulupirira kuti akumaliza ndikuti anali kunja kwa chilengedwe. ”
Sindikukutsatirani pano. Popeza akuti "kudzera mwa Iye zinthu zonse zidapangidwa", zikuwonekeratu kuti "zinthu zonse" siziphatikiza ndi iye amene "zinthu zonse" zidapangidwa, sichoncho?
Alex,
Akolose 1: 15 ndi genitive akuphatikizapo Yesu mkati mwa chilengedwe.
Ahebri 2: 8 imagwiritsa ntchito chilankhulo chofanana ndi John 1: 3 komabe sitinganene kuti abambo adagonjera Khristu.
"Sabata yapitayi, John, bwenzi langa, adadzuka, akusamba, kudya mbale yamphesa, kenako ndikukwera basi kukayamba ntchito ngati mphunzitsi."
Izi zikuwoneka ngati Russian 😛
Wawa Meleti, ndidzanena koyamba kuti sindikuvomereza chiphunzitso cha Utatu. Kodi mudaganizapo kuti akhristu oyambilira amawerenga Baibulo m'Chigiriki (mwina china latin) motero mkangano wokhudza kulowetsa chinthu chosadziwika mulungu kulibe. Komabe iwo anagwiritsira ntchito matembenuzidwe Achigriki omwe analipo kwa iwo kupanga chiphunzitso cha Utatu. Anagwiritsa ntchito Yohane 1: 1 kusonyeza m'Chigiriki kuti a Lagos anali Mulungu…
Sindikukana zomwe mudalemba pamwambapa, ndimangofuna malingaliro anu pazomwe ndalankhula
Moni BMC,
Sindikudziwa kuti Akhristu atumwi adayambitsa chiphunzitso cha utatu. Kudziwa kwanga, kutchulidwa koyamba kwa lingaliroli kunali kwa Origen (185-254) ndi Tertullian (160-220) kutanthauza kuti adangoganiziridwa ndi ena pafupifupi zaka zana John atamwalira.
Pachiyambi panali Hava, ndipo Eva anali ndi Adamu, ndipo Eva anali Adamu.
Iye anali pachiyambi ndi Adamu.
Zinthu zonse zinalengedwa kudzera mwa Iye, ndipo kopanda Iye sikunakhale kanthu komwe kwakhalako.
Daytona
Ndimachikonda. 🙂
Wawa Meleti, ndikukhulupirira kuti Uthenga Wabwino wa Yohane ndiouziridwa. Ndikukhulupirira Yesu adalankhula momveka bwino za iye komanso ubale wake ndi Atate wake. Ndimakhulupirira kuti ndimalola mawu a Khristu kumufotokozera. Ndikukhulupirira kuti zomwe sindingathe kuzimvetsa pakadali pano Atate wathu adzawonekeratu panthawi yake yabwino. Ndikukhulupirira kuti kusokonezeka kwa zikhulupiriro zachikhristu sikuchokera kwa Mulungu koma kwa anthu. Zikomo chifukwa cha zolemba ziwiri pa Logos Meleti. Poyerekeza ulusi wonsewu ndi chisangalalo chosazungulira. Zolemba zambiri, maulamuliro ambiri, kuchokera ku Buzzard kupita ku Stafford, sikokwanira kungodalira... Werengani zambiri "
Zikomo chifukwa choganiza bwino motere.