Eric: Moni, dzina langa ndi Eric Wilson. Vidiyo yomwe mukufuna kuti muwonere idalembedwa milungu ingapo yapitayo, koma chifukwa chodwala, sindinathe kumaliza mpaka pano. Udzakhala woyamba mwa makanema angapo osanthula chiphunzitso cha Utatu.
Ndikujambula kanemayu ndi Dr. James Penton yemwe ndi pulofesa wa mbiri yakale, wolemba mbiri yamaphunziro angapo, wophunzira Baibulo komanso katswiri wamaphunziro achipembedzo. Tidawona kuti yakwana nthawi yoti tisonkhanitse chuma chathu ndikuwunika chiphunzitso chomwe ambiri mwa iwo ndichizindikiro chachikhristu. Kodi inunso mumamva choncho? Kodi munthu ayenera kuvomereza Utatu kuti Mulungu amuwerengere ngati Mkhristu? Munthu uyu alidi ndi malingaliro amenewo.
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Ndi liti pamene kukhulupirira Utatu kunakhala maziko a Chikristu? Yesu anati anthu adzazindikira Chikristu choona ndi chikondi chomwe Akhristu adzawonetsane. Kodi okhulupirira Utatu amakhala ndi mbiri yakale yosonyeza chikondi kwa iwo omwe sagwirizana nawo? Tilola kuti mbiri iyankhe funso limeneli.
Tsopano ena anganene kuti zilibe kanthu zomwe timakhulupirira. Mutha kukhulupirira zomwe mukufuna kukhulupirira, ndipo inenso nditha kukhulupirira zomwe ndikufuna kukhulupirira. Yesu amatikonda tonsefe bola tikamamukonda iye komanso wina ndi mnzake.
Ngati zinali choncho, ndiye bwanji adamuwuza mkazi pachitsime, "ikudza nthawi, ndipo tsopano wafika, pomwe olambira owona adzalambira Atate mu Mzimu ndi m'choonadi. Inde, Atate amafuna kuti anthu otere azimulambira. Mulungu ndiye mzimu, ndipo om'lambira Iye ayenera kumlambira mumzimu ndi m'choonadi. " (Yohane 4:23, 24 Christian Standard Bible)
Mulungu akufuna anthu amene amamupembedza mu mzimu ndi mu chowonadi. Chifukwa chake, chowonadi ndichofunikira.
Koma palibe amene ali ndi chowonadi chonse. Tonsefe timalakwitsa.
Zowona, koma ndi mzimu uti womwe umatitsogolera? Kodi chimatilimbikitsa kufunafuna chowonadi ndi chiyani kuti tisakhutire ndi chiphunzitso chilichonse chosangalatsa panthawiyo?
Paulo adauza Atesalonika za iwo omwe ataya chiyembekezo: "Akuwonongeka chifukwa anakana kukonda chowonadi ndikupulumutsidwa." (2 Ates. 2:10)
Chikondi, makamaka, kukonda chowonadi, kuyenera kutilimbikitse ngati tikufuna kuyanjidwa ndi Mulungu.
Zachidziwikire, akafunsidwa, aliyense amati amakonda chowonadi. Koma tiyeni tikhale owona mtima mwankhanza pano. Ndi angati amakondadi? Ngati ndinu kholo, kodi mumawakonda ana anu? Ndikutsimikiza mumatero. Kodi mudzafera ana anu? Ndikuganiza kuti makolo ambiri atha kutaya moyo wawo kuti apulumutse mwana wawo.
Tsopano ndikufunseni izi: Kodi mumakonda chowonadi? Inde. Kodi mungafere? Kodi mungalolere kusiya moyo wanu m'malo mopereka choonadi?
Yesu anatero. Akhristu ambiri achita zimenezi. Komabe, ndi angati mwa iwo omwe amadzitcha Akhristu masiku ano omwe angafere chowonadi?
Jim ndi ine timachokera ku zikhulupiriro zomwe zimadzitcha "Choonadi". Wa Mboni za Yehova amakonda kufunsa a JW ena omwe akumana nawo kumene kuti, "Wakhala m'choonadi nthawi yayitali bwanji?", Kapena, "Unaphunzira liti choonadi?" Zomwe amafunsa ndikuti munthuyu akhala membala wa gulu la Mboni za Yehova mpaka liti.
Amasokoneza kukhulupirika ku gulu ndi kukonda chowonadi. Koma yesani kukonda kwawo chowonadi ndipo, mwa chidziwitso changa chachikulu, chowonadi chimatayika. Nenani zowona kwa iwo ndipo mumayamba kunyozedwa, kunyozedwa ndikupewanso kubwezera. Mwachidule, kuzunzidwa.
Kuzunza amene amalankhula zoona si Mboni za Yehova zokha ayi. M'malo mwake, kuzunza aliyense chifukwa sagwirizana ndi zomwe mumakhulupirira ndi mbendera yayikulu, yofiira, sichoncho? Ndikutanthauza, ngati muli ndi chowonadi, ngati mukunena zowona, kodi sizimayankhula zokha? Palibe chifukwa choukira munthu amene sagwirizana. Palibe chifukwa chowotchera pamtengo.
Tsopano pali mitundu yosiyanasiyana ya chiphunzitso cha Utatu ndipo tiziwona pa makanema onsewa, koma tikhazikitsa chidwi chathu pa chimodzi chomwe chimavomerezedwa kwambiri m'matchalitchi achikristu masiku ano.
Kunena zowona, Jim ndi ine sitimavomereza Utatu, ngakhale timavomereza kuti Yesu ndi Mulungu. Izi zikutanthauza kuti, mwanjira ina, kuti timavomereza Yesu ngati Mulungu potengera kumvetsetsa kwathu malembo osiyanasiyana omwe tidzakhale nawo. Anthu adzayesa kutikankhira pansi, kutinena kuti ndife Aariya kapena osagwirizana ndi Mulungu kapena ngakhale kutseka Mboni za Yehova - kunja, komabe. Palibe chilichonse chomwe chingakhale cholondola.
Ndapeza kuchokera muzochitikira kuti okhulupirira Utatu ali ndi njira yabwino kwambiri yotsutsira kuukiridwa kulikonse pa chikhulupiriro chawo. Ndi mtundu wina wa "malingaliro othetsa kuganiza". Izi zikuti: "O, mukuganiza kuti Atate ndi Mwana ndi Amulungu osiyana, sichoncho? Si kupembedza milungu imeneyi? ”
Popeza kupembedza milungu yambiri ndi njira yopembedzera yachikunja, amayesa kuthetsa zokambirana zonse poika aliyense amene samavomereza chiphunzitso chake.
Koma kodi munganene kuti Okhulupirira Utatu nawonso amapembedza milungu yambiri m'mitundu itatu ya Mulungu? Kwenikweni, ayi. Amadzinenera kuti ali opembedza Mulungu, monganso Ayuda. Mukudziwa, amangokhulupirira Mulungu m'modzi. Anthu atatu osiyana ndi osiyana, koma Mulungu m'modzi.
Amagwiritsa ntchito chithunzichi pofotokozera chiphunzitso: [Triangle kuchokera ku https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity]
Izi zimawapatsa iwo m'modzi yekha, komabe kukhalako si munthu, koma anthu atatu. Kodi munthu m'modzi yekha angakhale bwanji anthu atatu? Kodi mumapanga bwanji malingaliro anu chodabwitsachi. Amazindikira izi mochulukirapo monga momwe malingaliro amunthu angamvetsetse, koma amafotokoza ngati chinsinsi chaumulungu.
Tsopano kwa ife omwe timakhulupirira Mulungu, tiribe vuto ndi zinsinsi zomwe sitingathe kuzimvetsetsa malinga ndizomwe zidalembedwa bwino m'Malemba. Sitili odzikuza kotero kuti ngati sitimvetsetsa kanthu ndiye kuti sizingakhale zoona. Ngati Mulungu akutiuza kuti china chake chili, ndiye zili choncho.
Komabe, kodi chiphunzitso cha Utatu chalongosoledwa momvekera bwino m'Malemba m'njira yakuti, ngakhale sindikumvetsetsa, ndiyenera kuvomereza kuti ndi chowonadi? Ndamva okhulupirira Utatu akunena izi. Chodabwitsa ndichakuti, samazitsatira pofotokoza momveka bwino za chilembo chotere. M'malo mwake, chotsatira ndi mzere wazifukwa zopezera anthu. Izi sizitanthauza kuti akulakwitsa pazomwe adachotsa, koma kufotokoza momveka bwino m'Baibulo ndi chinthu china, pomwe kutanthauzira kwa anthu ndichinthu china.
Komabe, kwa Okhulupirira Utatu pali kuthekera kawiri kokha, kupembedza milungu yambiri ndi kupembedza Mulungu m'modzi ndi amene kale anali wachikunja komanso wachikunja.
Komabe, uku ndikumangirira mwachangu. Mukuwona, sitiyenera kukhazikitsa miyezo ya mapembedzedwe athu. Mulungu amatero. Mulungu amatiuza m'mene tiyenera kumupembedzera, ndiyeno tiyenera kupeza mawu oti tifotokozere zomwe akunena. Zotsatira zake, palibe "kulambira Mulungu mmodzi" kapena "kupembedza milungu yambiri" mokwanira kutanthauzira kupembedza Yehovah kapena Yahweh monga zolembedwa m'Malemba. Ndikufuna kukambirana kuti ndikhale ndi Jim pankhaniyi. Nditsogolera ndikufunsa Jim funso ili:
"Jim, kodi mungatiuze ngati munthu wina watulutsa mawu ofotokozera bwino za ubale wa Atate ndi Mwana ndi kuwalambira kwathu?
Jim: Inde ndingathe.
Panali nthawi yatsopano yopangidwa mu 1860, chaka chisanafike nkhondo yapachiweniweni yaku America ndi munthu wotchedwa Max Muller. Tsopano zomwe adapeza ndi mawu akuti "henotheistic". Tsopano kodi izi zikutanthauza chiyani? Heno, chabwino, Mulungu m'modzi, koma lingaliro ndi ili: Pali m'modzi ndipo ndi mtsogoleri m'modzi, Mulungu wapamwamba, Mulungu woposa zonse, ndipo kuti Mulungu nthawi zambiri amatchedwa Yahweh kapena wamkulu wakale, Yehova. Koma kupatula Yahweh kapena Yehova, panali zolengedwa zina zomwe zimadziwika ngati milungu, elohim. Tsopano mawu oti Mulungu m'Chihebri ndi elohim, koma makamaka poyang'ana koyamba amatha kunena kuti, ndiye Mulungu wochulukitsa. Mwanjira ina, limatanthauza zoposa Mulungu m'modzi. Koma ikaperekedwa ndi matchulidwe amodzi, amatanthauza Mulungu m'modzi, ndipo iyi ndi nkhani ya kachitidwe kamene kamatchedwa kuchuluka kwa Ukulu. Zili ngati Mfumukazi Victoria ankakonda kunena kuti, "sitinasangalale". Inde, anali m'modzi koma chifukwa anali wolamulira pawokha, adagwiritsa ntchito zochulukitsa kwa iyemwini; ndipo m'Malemba, Yahweh kapena Yehova nthawi zambiri amatchedwa Elohim, Mulungu mochulukitsa, koma ndi mawu omwe ali mu umodzi.
Tsopano, pamene liwu loti Elohim lagwiritsidwa ntchito ndi mau ochulukitsa, zomwe zikutanthauza Amulungu, chifukwa chake, tiwona izi ngati zilipo mu Chipangano Chakale ndi Chipangano Chatsopano.
Eric: Zikomo. Chifukwa chake, kuchuluka sikumatsimikiziridwa ndi dzina, koma ndi nthawi ya mneni.
Jim: Ndichoncho.
Eric: Chabwino, ndiye ndinapeza chitsanzo cha izo. Kuti nditsimikizire mfundoyi, ndikuwonetsa tsopano.
Pali zinthu ziwiri zomwe tiyenera kuziganizira ponena za Elohim mu Chiheberi. Choyamba ndikuti kaya zomwe Jim akunena ndizolondola-kuti ndizomanga kalembedwe, osati posonyeza unyinji, koma mawonekedwe monga ulemu kapena ukulu; ndikuwona kuti tikufunika kupita kwina kulikonse m'Baibulo komwe titha kupeza umboni wosatsutsika, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti titha kupeza izi pa 1 Mafumu 11:33. Tikapita ku 1 Mafumu 11:33, tidzapeza mu BibleHub, yomwe ndi njira yabwino kwambiri yofufuzira Baibulo m'mabaibulo angapo. Tikuwona 1 Mafumu 11:33 mu NIV Bible tili: "Ndidzachita izi chifukwa adandisiya, napembedza Ashtoreti mulungu wamkazi [mmodzi] wa Asidoni, Kemosi mulungu [mmodzi] wa Amoabu, ndi Moleki mulungu [mmodzi] wa Aamoni… ”
Chabwino, tiyeni tiwone momwe maina amodzi omwe amasuliridwa mchingerezi adayikidwiratu pachiyambi, ndipo mu interlinear timapeza kuti nthawi iliyonse mulungu kapena mulungu amatchulidwa timakhala ndi Elohim - 430 [e]. Apanso, "mulungu wamkazi" 430, Elohim, ndipo apa, "mulungu", Elohim 430. Kungotsimikizira - maumboni a Strong — ndipo tikupeza kuti Elohim apa pali mawu omwe amagwiritsidwa ntchito m'malo atatuwa. Chifukwa chake, zikuwoneka zowoneka bwino kuti tikulimbana ndi kapangidwe ka kalembedwe. Komabe, chodabwitsachi ndichakuti wina amene amakhulupirira Utatu amayesa kulimbikitsa lingaliro lakuti Umulungu kapena kuchuluka kwa Yahweh — anthu atatu mwa m'modzi - adadziwika, kapena amatchulidwa m'Malemba Achihebri pogwiritsa ntchito Elohim, akupatsanso henotheists, monga Jim ndi ine, maziko abwino pamalo athu, chifukwa chiphunzitso cha Utatu chimakhazikitsidwa pachikhulupiriro chonse kuti pali Mulungu m'modzi yekha. Ndi wokhulupirira Mulungu m'modzi; Mulungu m'modzi, anthu atatu mwa Mulungu m'modzi. Chifukwa chake, ngati Yahweh amatchula kuti Elohim, Yawe Elohim, Yehova Mulungu, kapena Yahweh Mulungu akulankhula za milungu yambiri, zimatsata kuti ikukamba za henotheism, monga momwe Jim ndi ine timavomerezera komanso ambiri monga ife, kuti Yahweh kapena YHWH ndiye mlengi, Mulungu Wamphamvuyonse ndipo pansi pa iye yekha Mwana wobadwanso ndi Mulungu. "Mawu ndi Mulungu" Elohim imagwira ntchito bwino kwambiri kuti igwirizane ndi malingaliro a henotheist, chifukwa chake, nthawi ina munthu wina akapititsa patsogolo izi kwa ine, ndikuganiza m'malo mopanga galamala, ndingonena, "Inde, ndizodabwitsa. Ndikuvomereza zimenezo, ndipo zimenezi zikutsimikizira mfundo yathu yakuti henotheism. ” Komabe, ndimangosangalala pamenepo.
Musanapitilire, mudakweza china chake chomwe ndikuganiza kuti owonera adzadabwa nacho. Wavova vo Yave wayantika longoka e nza yayi yambi yovo Yave wa Yave. Kodi zili choncho? Kodi Yahweh ndi mawonekedwe aposachedwa kwambiri?
Jim: Inde, ndi… ndipo ndi mawonekedwe omwe amatsutsana, koma amavomerezedwa ndi ophunzira kuti akuwonetsa dzinalo. Koma palibe amene akudziwa, zenizeni. Uku ndikulingalira kumodzi kokha.
Eric: Kulondola. Ndikudziwa kuti pali kutsutsana kambiri za Yehova. Pali anthu ambiri omwe amaganiza kuti linali dzina labodza, koma mwina mwina silofanana ndi matchulidwe apachiyambi tsopano monga momwe linalili pamene linayambitsidwa kumbuyo kwa zaka za zana la 12. Kapena munali zaka za m'ma 13? 1260, ndikuganiza. Ndikupita kukumbukira. Mukudziwa bwino kuposa ine. Koma "J" panthawiyo anali ndi yah zikumveka choncho.
Jim: Inde, Monga zimachitikira m'Chijeremani ndi Scandinavia, ndipo mwina Dutch mpaka lero. "J" ili ndi "Y". Zachidziwikire kuti zikufika m'mbiri yogwiritsa ntchito "J" zomwe sitichita pano.
Eric: Kulondola. Zabwino kwambiri. Zikomo. Ndimangofuna kuphimba izi. Ndikudziwa kuti tipeza ndemanga pamzerewu, ngati sitikulankhula nawo tsopano.
Chifukwa chake, pali china chilichonse chomwe mungafune kuwonjezera, ndikuganiza kuti panali china chake kuchokera pa Masalimo 82 chomwe mudandiuza kale chomwe chikugwirizana ndi izi.
Jim: Inde, ndine wokondwa kuti mudakweza izi chifukwa ndi chitsanzo chabwino cha henotheism monga a Max Muller akanatha kufotokozera. Ndi, "Ndidati ndinu milungu, ndipo nonsenu ndinu ana a Wam'mwambamwamba." Limenelo silo Salmo 82 vesi 1 koma kupitilira 6 ndi 7. Limafotokoza za Mulungu atakhala mu mpingo wa Mulungu. Aweruza pakati pa milungu- "Ndinati ndinu milungu ndipo nonsenu ndinu ana a Wam'mwambamwamba."
Kotero, apa pali Mulungu atakhala mu msonkhano wa milungu; ndipo pali milandu ingapo ya izi mu Masalmo. Sindingavutike kuti ndifotokoze pano, koma izi zimapereka chithunzichi ndipo nthawi zina, milungu itha kukhala milungu yabodza kapena angelo olungama. Mwachiwonekere, liwulo limagwiritsidwa ntchito kwa angelo, ndipo nthawi zina limagwiritsidwa ntchito kwa milungu yachikunja kapena mulungu wamkazi wachikunja — pali mulandu umodzi ndikuti m'Chipangano Chakale - kenako amagwiritsidwa ntchito kwa angelo, ngakhale kwa amuna nthawi zina.
Eric: Zabwino kwambiri. Zikomo. Kwenikweni, pali mndandanda wa Malemba omwe mudawasonkhanitsa pamodzi. Zambiri kuposa zomwe titha kuphimba apa. Chifukwa chake, ndawaika chikalata ndipo aliyense amene akufuna kuwona mndandanda wonsewu ... Ndiyika ulalo pamafotokozedwe a kanemayu kuti athe kutsitsa chikalatacho ndikuwunika nthawi yopuma.
Jim: Zingakhale bwino.
Eric: Zikomo. Poganizira kuti zonse zomwe mudangonena, kodi pali chilichonse chomwe chimawonetsedwa m'Malemba a Chikristu chisanachitike, kapena chomwe anthu ambiri amatcha Chipangano Chakale, chakuti Yesu ndi Mulungu mkati mwakonzedwe kopusitsa?
Jim: Choyamba, ndiloleni ndinene kuti kuyambira mu Genesis, pali nthawi ziwiri pomwe mfundo iyi ya henotheism imamveka bwino. Imodzi ili mu nkhani ya Nowa isanachitike pomwe Lemba limanena za ana aamuna a Mulungu kutsika ndikukakwatira ana aakazi aanthu. Imeneyo ndi imodzi mwazochitika, ana a Mulungu. Chifukwa chake, amakhala milungu mwa iwo okha kapena amawoneka ngati milungu. Awa ayenera kukhala angelo akugwa molingana ndi kufotokozera kwa buku lowonjezera la Enoch, ndi 2 Peter. Ndipo muli nacho chomwecho, koma china chofunikira kwambiri chili m'buku la Miyambo pomwe chimafotokoza za nzeru. Tsopano akatswiri ambiri amangonena kuti, 'Chabwino, izi… awa ndi machitidwe a Yahweh ndipo sayenera kutanthauza munthu kapena hypostasis ". Koma makamaka pakupita kwa nthawi, makamaka m'dera la Chipangano Chatsopano, koyambirira, ndipo mwina ndiyenera kunena ngakhale kale, mumayamba kuphunzira za nzeru yonse kukhala munthu, ndipo m'buku la nzeru, komanso mu ntchito za Myuda wa ku Alexandria, Philo, yemwe adakhalako nthawi ya Yesu Khristu ndipo adalankhula za dzinali ma logos, zomwe zingasonyeze china chofanana ndi nzeru za m'buku la Miyambo komanso m'buku la nzeru. Tsopano bwanji za izi, kapena nanga bwanji izi, ndiyenera kunena? Chowonadi ndi chakuti mawu akuti logos kapena logos, kutengera kuti mukufuna kutchula lalifupi kapena lalitali O-Ayuda kapena Agiriki m'tsiku la Khristu amasakaniza awiriwo nthawi zonse, kotero ndikuganiza Ndine womasuka ku… mwaufulu ku… kuchita chinthu chomwecho — ndipo mulimonsemo, liwulo liri m'mawu athu achingerezi akuti “logic”, “logical” kuchokera ku logos kapena logos, ndipo lidali ndi lingaliro la kulingalira komanso chifukwa chake anali wofanana kwambiri ndi nzeru, ndipo Philo ku Alexandria waku Egypt adawona nzeru ndi ma logo ngati chinthu chofanana, komanso ngati umunthu.
Anthu ambiri anena kuti nzeru za m'buku la Miyambo ndi zachikazi, koma izi sizidamuvute Philo. Adatinso, "Inde ndizomwe zili choncho, koma titha kumvetsetsa ngati zachimuna. Kapena monga ma logo ndi achimuna; kotero nzeru zitha kukhala zowonetsa munthu wamwamuna kapena hypostasis.
Eric: Kulondola.
Jim: Tsopano, zambiri za izi zafotokozedwa momveka bwino m'malemba a katswiri wakale wachikhristu woyambirira Origin, ndipo amachita izi motalikitsa. Chifukwa chake, zomwe muli nazo pano ndizomwe zidalipo makamaka munthawi ya Yesu, ndipo ngakhale Afarisi adamuimba Yesu mlandu wochitira mwano kuti akuti ndi mwana wa Mulungu, adatchulapo za Masalmo ndikuwonetsa kuti milungu imalankhulidwa wa milungu yambiri, motero anati, 'Zilipo. Kwalembedwa. Simungakayikire. Sindikunyoza konse. Chifukwa chake, lingaliroli lidalipo kwambiri munthawi ya Khristu.
Eric: Kulondola. Zikomo. Kwenikweni, ndakhala ndikuganiza kuti kunali koyenera kutchula Khristu ndi Yesu yemwe analiko chisanadze kapena Yesu amene analipo kale ngati ma logo chifukwa, monga nzeru, ndikutanthauza, chifukwa monga ndikumvetsetsa, nzeru imatha kutanthauzidwa ngati kugwiritsa ntchito chidziwitso . Mukudziwa, ndikhoza kudziwa zina koma ngati sindichita chilichonse ndi chidziwitso, sindine wanzeru; ngati ndigwiritsa ntchito chidziwitso changa, ndiye kuti ndine wanzeru. Ndipo kulengedwa kwa chilengedwe chonse kudzera mwa Yesu, mwa Yesu, ndi kwa Yesu, chinali chiwonetsero chachikulu kwambiri chogwiritsa ntchito chidziwitso chomwe sichinakhalepo. Chifukwa chake, nzeru yotchulidwa mwapadera imagwirizana bwino ndi udindo wake monga wantchito wamkulu wa Mulungu, ngati mungafune, kugwiritsa ntchito liwu lomwe limachokera mchikhulupiriro chathu chakale.
Koma kodi pali china chake chomwe mukufuna kuwonjezera pa izi ... chomwe mumatenga kuchokera ku Afilipi 2: 5-8? Munandiuza izi m'mbuyomu zokhudzana ndi kufalikira kwa Kristu; chifukwa pali ena amene amakayikira tsogolo lake, lomwe amalingalira kuti adakhalapo ngati munthu, ndipo kale sizinakhalepo.
Jim: Inde. Udindowu umatengedwa ndimagulu osiyanasiyana, osakhulupirira Utatu, ndipo alipo ambiri aiwo, ndipo mfundo yawo ndiyakuti Khristu sanakhaleko asanakhale munthu. Sanaliko kumwamba, koma lemba la Afilipi chaputala chachiwiri likunena mwachindunji - ndipo Paulo akukupatsani chitsanzo cha kudzichepetsa komwe amalembera izi - ndipo akuti sanayesere kwenikweni — ine kutchulanso apa m'malo mongobwereza-sanayese kutenga udindo wa Atate koma adadzichepetsa nadzitenga ngati munthu, ngakhale adali mwa Mulungu; Maonekedwe a Mulungu, mwa mawonekedwe a abambo. Sanayese kulanda udindo wa Mulungu monga Satana akuyesera, koma adangovomereza dongosolo la Mulungu ndikusiya umunthu wake wauzimu ndikubwera padziko lapansi ngati munthu. Izi ndi zomveka bwino. Ngati wina akufuna kuwerenga mutu wachiwiri wa Afilipi. Chifukwa chake, izi zikuwonetseratu kukhalapo kwa ine, ndipo sindikuvutika kuti ndichite izi.
Ndipo zowonadi, pali malembo ena ambiri, omwe atha kubweretsa. Ndili ndi buku lomwe lidasindikizidwa ndi ambuye angapo omwe ali mu Mpingo wa Mulungu, Chikhulupiriro cha Abraham, ndipo aliyense amayesa kuthana ndi lingaliro lokhalapo, kuti, 'Chabwino ichi ... izi sizikugwirizana ndi lingaliro lachiyuda , ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ndi bodza loyipa mukamayankhula zamaganizidwe achiyuda kapena lingaliro lachi Greek kapena lingaliro la wina aliyense, chifukwa pali malingaliro osiyanasiyana mdera lililonse ndikunena kuti palibe Mheberi amene adaganizapo zakakhalapo ndizopanda pake. Inde, Philo ku Igupto anatero, ndipo anali ndi moyo m'nthaŵi ya Yesu Kristu.
Eric: Kulondola.
Jim: Ndipo amangokonda kunena kuti, 'Awa, ndi Mulungu akuneneratu zomwe zidzachitike mtsogolo'. Ndipo samalimbana nawo ngakhale mavesi awa omwe akuwonetsa kukhalapo.
Eric: Inde. Amakhala ovuta kuthana nawo motero amanyalanyaza. Ndikudabwa ngati zomwe tikuwona pagulu lomwe limalimbikitsa kukhalapo kwanthawi yayitali zikufanana ndi zomwe timawona Mboni za Yehova zikuyesetsa kwambiri kuti achoke ku Utatu kotero kuti amapitilira kwina. Mboni zimamupanga Yesu kukhala mngelo chabe, ngakhale akhale mngelo wamkulu, ndipo magulu enawa amamupanga kukhala munthu, asanafike pomwepo. zonsezi ndizofunikira… chabwino, sizofunikira… koma zonse ndizokhudza, ndikuganiza, chiphunzitso cha Utatu, koma kuchita mopambanitsa; kupita patali kwambiri mbali inayo.
Jim: Ndizowona, ndipo a Mboni adachita kena kake kwakanthawi. Tsopano, pamene ndinali wachinyamata mu Mboni za Yehova. Panalibe kukaikira kuti panali ulemu waukulu kwa Khristu ndipo kwa nthawi yayitali, mboni zimapemphera kwa Khristu ndikuyamika Khristu; ndipo kumapeto kwazaka, zachidziwikire, achotsa pamenepo, ndikuti musapemphere kwa Khristu, simuyenera kupembedza Khristu. Muyenera kulambira Atate okha; ndipo atenga mawonekedwe achiyuda kwambiri. Tsopano ndikunena za Afarisi ndi Ayuda omwe adatsutsana ndi Khristu potenga udindowu, chifukwa pali magawo ambiri mu Chipangano Chatsopano pomwe zikuwonetsa, makamaka mu Ahebri, kuti akhristu oyamba amapembedza Khristu ngati mwana wa Atate. Chifukwa chake, asamukira kutali kwambiri, ndipo zikuwoneka ngati kuti anali ... kuti sakugwirizana kwambiri ndi Chipangano Chatsopano.
Eric: Apita patali ngati sabata yatha Nsanja ya Olonda kuphunzira, panali mawu oti tisakonde Kristu pang'ono ndipo sitiyenera kumukonda kwambiri. Ndi mawu opusa bwanji kuti mupange; koma zikusonyeza m'mene amutsitsira Khristu ku mtundu wa otengera m'malo mwa udindo wake weniweni. Ndipo iwe ndi ine tazindikira kuti iye ndi waumulungu. Kotero, lingaliro lakuti iye si waumulungu kapena ayi wa chikhalidwe cha Mulungu sichinthu chomwe ife timachikana mwa njira iliyonse, koma pali kusiyana pakati pa kukhala waumulungu ndi kukhala Mulungu iyemwini, ndipo ine ndikuganiza ife tikufika ku Lemba lokhazikika tsopano la Yohane 1: 1. Kodi mungafune kuyankhula nafe?
Jim: Inde, ndikanatero. Ili ndi buku lofunika kwambiri pa Utatu komanso lembo lina losakhala la Utatu. Ndipo ngati mungayang'ane pamatembenuzidwe amabaibulo, pali ambiri omwe amatchula Yesu kuti ndi Mulungu ndi ena omwe omwe ... amamufotokozera ngati Mulungu, ndipo malembawo ndi, m'Chigiriki ndi: En archē ēn ho Logos kai ho Logos prn pros ton Theon kai Theos ēn ho Logos. Ndipo nditha kukupatsani kutanthauzira kwanga, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti imawerengedwa: "Poyamba panali Logos - mawu, kutanthauza, chifukwa Logos imatanthawuza kuti pakati pazinthu zina zosiyanasiyana - ndipo Logos inali kuyang'anizana ndi Mulungu ndi Mulungu kapena Mulungu anali mawu oti ".
Chifukwa chiyani ndimamasulira izi ngati Logos inali kukumana ndi Mulungu? Eya, kuposa kuti Logos inali ndi Mulungu? Inde, chifukwa mawu oyamba pamenepa, zopindulitsa, mu Koine Greek safuna kwenikweni zomwe "with" amachita mu Chingerezi, pomwe umapeza lingaliro la "pamodzi ndi" kapena "mogwirizana ndi". Koma mawuwa amatanthauza china chochepera apo, kapena mwina choposera apo.
Ndipo a Helen Barrett Montgomery kumasulira kwawo kwa Yohane 1 mpaka 3, ndipo ndikuwerenga zina mwa izi, ndikuti analemba kuti: "Pachiyambi panali mawu ndipo mawuwo anali pamaso ndi pamaso pa Mulungu ndipo Mawu anali Mulungu."
Tsopano ndiye chidwi. ubwino amatanthauza ngati nkhope ndi nkhope kapena kupatula Mulungu ndipo zikuwonetsa kuti panali anthu awiri pamenepo osati ofanana ndipo ndikulowanso mtsogolo.
Chosangalatsa ndichakuti, ichi chinali chofalitsa, kapena chinafalitsidwa ndi American Baptist chofalitsa Society, chifukwa chake anali kukwera ngati Utatu. Ndipo momwemonso anali Charles B. Williams, ndipo ali ndi mawu kapena Logos akunena pamaso ndi pamaso ndi Mulungu ndipo monga iye, iye, zikuwonekeratu, zikuwonekeratu kuti ndi Utatu. Kutanthauzira kwachinsinsi mchilankhulo cha anthu mu 1949 kunaperekedwa ku Moody Bible Institute kuti isindikizidwe, ndipo anthuwo anali ndipo amakhulupirira Utatu. Chifukwa chake tili ndi matanthauzidwe amitundu yonse mu Chingerezi ndi zilankhulo zina, makamaka Chijeremani, omwe ali… omwe amati, "Mawu anali Mulungu", komanso pafupifupi monga ambiri amanenera, "ndipo mawuwa anali Mulungu", kapena "mawuwa anali aumulungu".
Ophunzira ambiri akhala amantha ndipo chifukwa cha ichi ndikuti m'Chigiriki mawu akamatenga mawu otanthauzira, ndipo mawu otanthauzira mu Chingerezi ndi "the", motero timati "mulungu", koma m'Chigiriki, palibe "mulungu" m'njira yeniyeni. Ndipo momwe amachitira izi ...
Eric: Palibe cholembedwa.
Jim: Ndizowona, ndipo momwe amachitira izi ndikuti kunalibe liwu losinthira mawu ngati "a" kapena "an" mu Chingerezi ndipo nthawi zambiri, mukawona dzina lopanda dzina, lopanda tanthauzo, mumangoganiza kuti mumatembenuzidwe achingerezi, ayenera kukhala osasinthika m'malo motsimikiza. Kotero pamene izo zikuti "Logos" koyambirira mu Lemba ndi mawu otanthauzira komabe komabe zikupitirira kunena kuti Logos anali Mulungu, ndiye palibe chinthu chotsimikizika patsogolo pa mawu amenewo, "mulungu", ndipo inunso mungaganize kuti kuyambira pamenepo, muyenera kumasulira kuti "Mulungu" osati "Mulungu". Ndipo pali matanthauzidwe ambiri omwe amachita izi, koma m'modzi ayenera kusamala. Mmodzi ayenera kukhala osamala. Simunganene izi motsimikiza chifukwa olemba galamala awonetsa kuti pali malo ambiri pomwe maina opanda mawu otsimikizika amakhalabe otsimikizika. Ndipo mkangano uwu ukupitilira malonda ad. Ndipo ngati mungakhale okhulupirira Utatu, mudzagunda tebulo ndikunena, "Chabwino, ndichowonadi kuti Logos ikamatchedwa Mulungu, zikutanthauza kuti ndi m'modzi mwa anthu atatu a Utatu, chifukwa chake ndiye Mulungu. ” Pali ena omwe amati, "Ayi ayi".
Ngati mutayang'ana zolemba za Chiyambi, yemwe ndi m'modzi mwa akatswiri akulu achikhristu, akadakhala pamzere ndi anthu omwe amati, "mulungu" anali wolondola, ndipo amakhala wothandizira Kutembenuzidwa kwa Mboni za Yehova momwe iwo ali kuti "mawu anali Mulungu".
Eric: Kulondola.
Jim: ndipo… koma sitingakhale otsimikiza za izi. Ndizosatheka kukayikira za izi, ndipo ngati mungayang'ane anthu osagwirizana ndi Mulungu kumbali imodzi ndi Atatuwo, amenyera izi ndikupereka mikangano yonse, ndipo mikangano ikupitilira malonda ad. Ndipo mumadabwa za mbali zosiyanasiyana: Ngati a postmodernists ali olondola ponena kuti, "Chabwino, ndi zomwe owerenga amatenga zolembedwa m'malo mongonena zomwe munthu amene analemba chikalatacho akufuna". Sitingathe kupita patali.
Koma ndikadakhala, ndinganene kuti ndiye kuti kukangana za kalembedwe ka mawuwa kwa Yohane 1: 1-3, ndibwino kugwiritsa ntchito njira ina yowerengera nkhaniyi, ndipo ndikuganiza ndichifukwa choti ndimabwera makamaka pazinthu izi kutengera maphunziro anga omwe. Ndine wolemba mbiri; PhD yanga inali m'mbiri. Ngakhale ndinali ndi mwana m'maphunziro azachipembedzo panthawiyo ndipo ndakhala nthawi yayitali ndikuphunzira osati chipembedzo chimodzi, koma zipembedzo zambiri, komanso Malemba; koma ndinganene kuti njira yofikira izi ndi mbiriyakale.
Eric: Kulondola.
Jim: Izi zimayika malembo awa, malembawa pang'onopang'ono pazomwe zinkachitika m'zaka za zana loyamba, pomwe Yesu Khristu anali wamoyo ndipo atangomwalira kumene; ndipo chowonadi ndi ichi ndichakuti chiphunzitso cha Utatu sichinakhalepo, kaya champhamvu kwambiri kapena chosaphulika, zaka mazana ambiri pambuyo pa kumwalira kwa Kristu, ndipo ophunzira ambiri akudziŵa izi lero. Ndipo chiwerengero chosasankhika cha Akatolika abwino, ophunzira apamwamba achikatolika azindikira izi.
Eric: Kotero ...
Jim: Ndikuganiza kuti ndizopambana.
Eric: Chifukwa chake, musanalowe mu ichi - chifukwa ndiye cholinga chachikulu cha kanemayu, mbiriyakale - kuti tifotokozere aliyense amene angakhumudwe ndi zokambirana za John 1: 1, ndikuganiza kuti ndi mfundo yovomerezeka pakati pa omwe amaphunzira Baibulo limafotokoza mosapita m'mbali kuti ngati pali ndime yomwe ili yovuta kumvetsetsa, yomwe ingatengeredwe mwanjira ina, ndiye kuti mawuwo sangakhale umboni koma atha kungokhala othandizira, mukangotsimikizira umboni wina kwina.
Chifukwa chake, Yohane 1: 1 angathandizire chiphunzitso cha Utatu, ngati mungatsimikizire Utatu kwinakwake. Zitha kuthandizira kumvetsetsa kwa henotheistic, ngati tingatsimikizire izi kwina. Ndizomwe tichite… chabwino, titenga njira zitatu. Ili ndi gawo 1. Tikhala ndi makanema osachepera 2. Wina adzaunika zolemba zomwe umboni wa Utatu umagwiritsa ntchito; winanso adzaunika zolemba zomwe Aryan agwiritsa ntchito, koma pakadali pano ndikuganiza kuti mbiri yakale ndi njira yofunika kwambiri yokhazikitsira maziko kapena kusowa kwa chiphunzitso cha Utatu. Chifukwa chake, ndikusiyirani malo otseguka kwa inu.
Jim: Tiyeni bwino kwambiri. Ndikuganiza kuti zikuwonekeratu kuti panalibe chiphunzitso cha Utatu mzaka zoyambirira, osati momwe ziliri masiku ano. Okhulupirira Utatu sanabwere ngakhale ku Msonkhano wa Nicaea mu 325 AD monga ambiri okhulupirira Utatu akanakhala nawo. Kwenikweni, zomwe tili nazo ku Nicaea ndi kuvomereza chiphunzitso cha…
Eric: Mkhalidwe.
Jim: Inde, anthu awiri osati 2. Ndipo chifukwa cha izi anali makamaka nkhawa za ubale wa bambo ndi mwana. Mzimu Woyera sunatchulidwenso pakadali pano, ndipo chifukwa chake mudakhala ndi chiphunzitso chaumulungu, osati Utatu, ndikuti adafika potengera mawu oti, "achibale", omwe amatanthawuza chimodzimodzi chuma, ndipo adati bambo ndi mwana anali ofanana.
Tsopano izi zinayambitsidwa ndi Emperor Constantine, ndipo iye anali Mkhristu wokondera, ngati inu munganene izo. Sanabatizidwe mpaka anali pafupi kufa. Ndikuti adachita milandu yayikulu yambiri, koma adadzakhala munthu wotsimikiza ku chikhristu, koma amafuna kuti zikhale mwadongosolo, motero adaganiza kuti athetse zotsutsana zomwe zimachitika. Ndipo adayambitsa mawu awa ndipo izi zidakhutiritsa chipani cha Atatu kapena chipani cha ma binatarian monga analiri nthawiyo, chifukwa amafuna kulengeza Arius, yemwe anali munthu yemwe sanafune kuvomereza lingaliro ili, ngati wampatuko. Ndipo iyi inali njira yokhayo yomwe angamuwonetsere kuti ndi wopanduka. Ndipo kotero adayambitsa liwulo lomwe lakhala gawo lamaphunziro achikatolika kuyambira kale chipani chimodzi.
Chifukwa chake, Utatu umachedwa kwambiri. Zimabwera pambuyo pake pomwe adalengeza kuti Mzimu Woyera ndiye munthu wachitatu wa Utatu. Ndipo ndizo 3.
Eric: Ndipo Emperor wina anali nawo ndipo ameneyo, sichoncho iye?
Jim: Ndichoncho. Theodosius Wamkulu.
Eric: Chifukwa chake, sanangoletsa chikunja komanso chiphunzitso chanu cha Arian kapena aliyense wosakhulupirira Utatu…, zinali zotsutsana ndi lamulo kukhulupirira kuti Mulungu sanali Utatu.
Jim: Ndiko kulondola, ndiko kulondola. Zinakhala zosaloledwa kukhala wachikunja kapena wachikhristu wa Arian ndipo maudindo onsewa anali oletsedwa ndikuzunzidwa, ngakhale Arianism adakhalabe kuthengo m'mafuko aku Germany chifukwa Aarian omwe adatumiza amishonalewo ndikusintha mafuko ambiri aku Germany omwe anali kugonjetsa kumadzulo kwa Europe ndi gawo lakumadzulo kwa Ufumu wa Roma.
Eric: Kulondola, kotero ndiroleni ine ndikhale wolunjika, inu muli ndi lingaliro lomwe silinafotokozedwe momveka mu Lemba ndi kuchokera mu zolembedwa za mbiriyakale sizimadziwika kwenikweni mu Chikhristu cha zana loyamba ndi lachiwiri; amabwera mkangano mu tchalitchi; analamulidwa ndi mfumu yachikunja yomwe sinabatizidwe nthawiyo; ndiyeno inu munali nawo Akhristu amene sanali kuzikhulupirira izo, iye ankazunza iwo; ndipo tiyenera kukhulupirira kuti Mulungu sanagwiritse ntchito Yesu Khristu kapena atumwi kuwulula izi koma adagwiritsa ntchito mfumu yachikunja yomwe imatha kuzunza omwe sanatsutse.
Jim: Ndizowona, ngakhale pambuyo pake atabwerera, adatembenuka ndikugwidwa ndi Bishop wa Arian ndipo adabatizidwa pamapeto pake ndi a Arians osati ndi Atatu.
Eric: Chabwino. Chosangalatsa ndi ichi.
Jim: Tikafika patali, mupeza kuti pafupifupi zisankho zonse zomwe zidapangidwa m'mabungwe azachipembedzo zidapangidwa mothandizidwa ndi akuluakulu aboma, mafumu achi Roma, ndipo pamapeto pake chimodzi mwazomwe zimatsimikizika ndi chimodzi mwa izi apapa, ndipo izi zimayankha funso la Khristu wobadwira thupi, yemwe amayenera kuwonedwa ndikupembedzedwa ngati Mulungu wathunthu komanso munthu wathunthu.
Chifukwa chake, kutsimikiza kwa chiphunzitso sikunachitike ndi mpingo wogwirizana konse. Amachitidwa ndi omwe adakhala mpingo wogwirizana kapena pafupifupi mpingo wolumikizidwa motsogozedwa ndi aboma.
Eric: Chabwino, zikomo. Chifukwa chake, kuti tingomaliza kukambirana kwathu lero, ndimayang'ana kanema wa Utatu akufotokozera chiphunzitsochi, ndipo adavomereza kuti zinali zovuta kumvetsetsa, koma adati "zilibe kanthu kuti sindikumvetsa izo. Zinanenedwa momveka bwino m'Baibulo, ndiye ndiyenera kungovomereza mwachikhulupiriro zomwe zanenedwa kwathunthu. ”
Koma kuchokera pazomwe mukundiwuzazi, mulibe umboni m'Baibulo, kapena m'mbiri ya mtundu wa Israeli Khristu asanabadwe, kapena gulu lililonse lachikhristu mpaka zaka za zana lachitatu zosonyeza Utatu.
Jim: Ndiko kulondola, ndiko kulondola; ndipo palibe chomveka chowachirikiza kwa iwo ndi makhonsolo a tchalitchi mpaka 381. Wachedwa mochedwa. Wachedwa mochedwa. Ndipo mu Middle Ages, zachidziwikire, matchalitchi Akum'mawa ndi tchalitchi chakumadzulo kwa Roma adagawika, mwanjira ina, pankhani zotsutsana ndi Utatu. Chifukwa chake, sipanakhalepo mgwirizano pakati pazinthu zambiri. Tili ndi magulu onga a Chikoptiki ku Egypt ndi a Nestorian ndi ena otero omwe anali mkati mwa Middle Ages omwe sanalandire malingaliro ena am'bungwe lomaliza lomwe limafotokoza za Khristu.
Eric: Kulondola. Pali ena omwe anganene kuti, "Zilibe kanthu kuti mukukhulupirira Utatu ayi. Ndife tonse okhulupirira Khristu. Zonse ndi zabwino. ”
Ndikutha kuwona malingaliro, koma mbali inayi, ndikuganiza za Yohane 17: 3 yomwe imanena kuti cholinga cha moyo, moyo wosatha, ndikudziwa Mulungu ndikudziwa mwana wa Mulungu, Yesu Khristu, ndipo ngati tikuyamba ulendo wathu wachidziwitso pamalingaliro abodza, pamaziko olimba ndi olakwika, sitipeza zomwe tikufuna kupeza. Ndibwino kuyamba kuchokera pachowonadi ndikuchikulitsa.
Chifukwa chake, zokambirana izi, ndikuganiza, ndizofunikira chifukwa kudziwa Yehova Mulungu kapena Yahweh kapena YHWH, momwe mukufuna kumuitanira, ndikumudziwa mwana wake, Yeshua kapena Yesu, ndizofunikira kwenikweni ku cholinga chathu chachikulu chokhala amodzi ndi Mulungu mu cholinga ndi m'malingaliro ndi m'mitima ndi kukhala ana a Mulungu.
Jim: Ndiroleni ine ndinene izi pomaliza, Eric: Mukaima ndikuganiza za kuchuluka kwa anthu kwazaka mazana ambiri omwe aphedwa ndi Akatolika, Roma Katolika, Orthodox achi Greek, Akhristu a Calvinist, otsatira gulu la John Calvin, a Lutheran ndi Anglican, kwa zaka zapitazi kuti anthu ambiri aphedwa chifukwa chokana kuvomereza chiphunzitso cha Utatu. Ndizodabwitsa! Inde, nkhani yodziwika kwambiri ndi ya kuwotchedwa pamtengo kwa Servetus m'zaka za zana la 16, chifukwa chokana Utatu; ndipo ngakhale a John Calvin sanafune kuti awotchedwe pamtengo, amafuna kutsogozedwa, ndipo anali Khonsolo kapena gulu lazamalamulo ku Geneva lomwe lidaganiza kuti awotchedwe pamtengo. Ndipo panali ena ambiri omwe… Ayuda omwe anakakamizidwa kutembenukira ku Chikatolika ku Spain kenako nkubwerera m'mbuyo ku Chiyuda — ena mwa iwo anali achiyuda ndi arabi achiyuda - koma kuti adziteteze panja, adakhala ansembe achikatolika, chomwe chinali chachilendo kwenikweni, ndipo ambiri mwa anthuwa, ngati agwidwa, amaphedwa. Icho chinali chinthu choyipa. Anthu osagwirizana ndi Mulungu kaya ngati - panali mitundu yosiyanasiyana ya iwo - koma omwe adakana Utatu, adaweruzidwa ku England ndipo adalamulidwa kufikira zaka za zana la 19; ndipo ophunzira angapo odziwika anali odana ndi chiphunzitso cha Utatu: John Milton, Sir Isaac Newton, John Locke, kenako m'zaka za zana la 19, munthu yemwe adapeza mpweya - nyumba yake ndi laibulale yake zidawonongedwa ndi gulu la anthu ndipo adayenera kuthawa kupita ku United States komwe adatengedwa ndi a Thomas Jefferson.
Chifukwa chake, zomwe muli nazo ndi chiphunzitso chomwe anthu amitundu yonse adafunsapo komanso machitidwe osakonda a Okhulupirira Utatu akhala okhumudwitsa. Tsopano, sizikutanthauza kuti ena osagwirizana ndi Mulungu akhala ochepera achikhristu pamakhalidwe awo, monga tikudziwira. Koma chowonadi ndichakuti, yakhala chiphunzitso chomwe chimatetezedwa nthawi zambiri ndi mtengo, kuwotcha pamtengo. Ndipo ichi ndichinthu choyipa chifukwa chowona ndichakuti mukayang'ana omwe akupita kutchalitchi amakono. Anthu wamba omwe amapita kutchalitchi, kaya ndi Mkatolika, Anglican, wopita kutchalitchi wokonzanso… ambiri, ena ambiri… samamvetsetsa, anthu samamvetsetsa chiphunzitsochi ndipo ndakhala ndi atsogoleri angapo akundiuza kuti pa Sabata la Utatu, lomwe ndi gawo la kalendala ya tchalitchi, sakudziwa chochita nawo chifukwa nawonso samamvetsetsa.
Chiphunzitso chovuta kwambiri, chovuta kwambiri kuti mutu wanu uzungulira.
Eric: Chifukwa chake, ndiyenera kumva chowonadi, sitiyenera kupitilira mawu a Yesu pa Mateyu 7 pomwe akuti, "Mudzawazindikira anthu awa ndi ntchito zawo." Amatha kuyankhula bwino, koma ntchito zawo zimawonetsa mzimu wawo wowona. Kodi ndi mzimu wa Mulungu womwe ukuwatsogolera kuti azikonda kapena mzimu wa Satana ukuwatsogolera kudana nawo? Izi mwina ndizofunikira kwambiri kwa aliyense amene akufunadi chidziwitso ndi nzeru pankhaniyi.
Jim: Mbiri ya chiphunzitso ichi yakhala yowopsa.
Eric: Inde, zaterodi.
Jim: Kodi watero.
Eric: Zikomo kwambiri, Jim zikomo kwambiri nthawi yanu ndipo ndikuthokoza aliyense chifukwa chowonera. Tidzabweranso mgawo lachiwiri la nkhanizi mwachangu titha kuyika kafukufuku wathu palimodzi. Chifukwa chake, ndibwera tsopano.
Jim: Ndipo madzulo abwino
Moni Pepani pachilankhulo, koma ndiyenera kugwiritsa ntchito womasulira. Ndikufuna kukuthokozani chifukwa chobweretsa mutu wofunika kwambiri wa m'Baibulo wokhudza ngati Mulungu ali Utatu. Ndakhala ndikuphunzira za Utatu kwa zaka zopitilira 30. Ndidaphunzira mwachangu kwambiri kuti ichi sichiphunzitso chosagwirizana ndi Baibulo. Pafupifupi zaka 7 zapitazo, tili ndi malingaliro ofanana, tinayambitsa blog https://blog.antytrynitarianie.pl/, komwe timayesa kuthandiza anthu kudziwa Mulungu yekhayo, YHWH ndi Mwana Wake, monga inu. M'malemba oposa 100, timakambirana mavesi ambiri a m'Baibulo omwe amatsutsana ndi chiphunzitso cha... Werengani zambiri "
Ndemanga zaposachedwa za Jack ndizabwino kwambiri. Ndikufuna kuthandizira ndemanga iyi ndi misomali isanu ndi iwiri m'bokosi la chiphunzitso cha Utatu. YESU ALI NDI MULUNGU. YEHOVA NDI MULUNGU WA YESU KHRISTU. Kumasulira kwa KJV: "Yesu adati kwa iye, Kwalembedwa, Usamuyese Ambuye Mulungu wako." (Mat 4: 7) "Ndipo nthawi ya ola lachisanu ndi chinayi Yesu adafuwula ndi mawu okweza, Eli, Eli, lama sabakitani? ndiko kuti, Mulungu wanga, Mulungu wanga, mwandisiyiranji Ine? ” (Mat 27:46) "Ndipo Yesu adati kwa iye, Undifunsiranji wabwino? Palibe wabwino koma m'modzi, ndiye,... Werengani zambiri "
Wawa Frankie (kachiwiri), Pali mawu ambiri m'malemba omwe amalankhula za Yesu mwaumunthu, ndipo pali malembo ambiri omwe amalankhula za Umulungu Wake, tiyenera kufunsa chifukwa chake? Kodi mumakhulupirira kuti Yesu ndiye woyamba ndi womaliza yemwe ali ulemu wamuyaya? Owerenga mawuwa sakanadumphira munthawi yolumikizana kapena metaphysics kuti afotokoze izi. Akadamvetsetsa kuti mawuwa akutanthauza kuti Yesu ndiwamuyaya chifukwa Iye ndi Mulungu, alibe chiyambi kapena malekezero, izi zikutanthauza kuti Yesu sanalengedwe, apo ayi tikufotokozera motani... Werengani zambiri "
Kodi Yesu amaphunzitsa kulambira kwa iyemwini? Ayi.
Yesu ankalambira Mulungu m'modzi yekha, Atate wake.
Mlandu watsekedwa.
Wokongola!
Chithandizo cha CHIPHUNZITSO CHA UTATU molingana ndi MUTU WOTSATIRA? ………. Anakopera papulatifomu ina. Pamene nkhani izi zikupita patsogolo zingatengeredwe kuthana ndi chiphunzitsochi # 1 NAMBIRI YA MULUNGU Zikuwonekeratu kuti kuti, Mulungu ndiye yekhayo amene angakhale "Woyamba ndi Wotsiriza / Woyamba ndi Wotsiriza / Alfa ndi Omega" nthawi yomweyo chifukwa analipo chilengedwe chonse chisanakhale ndipo ndi Mmodzi yekhayo amene adzatsalira akaganiza zothetsa chilengedwe chonse. The Simultaneous "Woyamba ndi Wotsiriza" ndi nambala yokhayo yosapangidwa yomwe ingakhale nayo. 2 CHIWERUZO CHA MULUNGU Tikudziwa kuti YAHWEH, the... Werengani zambiri "
Tiyeni tichite chinthu chimodzi pa nthawi imodzi: # 1 NAMBALA YA MULUNGU Palibe chinthu choyamba ngati palibe chachiwiri. Payenera kukhala dongosolo mu nthawi kuti padzakhale woyamba ndi wotsiriza. Kotero Mulungu ndiye woyamba Kodi? Osati chinthu choyamba kulengedwa. Ndiye? Mulungu amapezeka kunja kwa nthawi. Yesu ndiye kudzera mwa iye, kwa iye, komanso mwa iye zinthu zonse zinalengedwa, zomwe zikuphatikiza nthawi. Chifukwa chake Yesu (kaya ndi Mulungu kapena mulungu wobadwa yekha, wosiyana ndi Mulungu Atate) alinso kunja kwa nthawi motero nthawi isanakwane. Ine... Werengani zambiri "
Tikudziwa kuchokera ku sayansi kuti nthawi ndiyotheka kusintha. Tikudziwa kuti liwiro lomwe limayenda limadalira liwiro la chinthu chomwe chimayenda pomwe likuyandikira kuthamanga kwa kuwalako. Kuchokera apa, zikuwoneka kuti nthawi ndi malo ndi gawo la chilengedwe. Tikudziwa kuti Mulungu samvera chilichonse chomwe chingaphatikizepo nthawi.
Awo ndi mawu anga omaliza potengera umboni womwe udalipo kale. Mutha kukhala ndi ina ndipo ndinuolandilidwa kwambiri, inde.
Inde Eric, ukunena zowona. Chilengedwe chimapangidwa ndi nthawi-yayitali - danga lazithunzi-4 la Minkowski: x1, x2, x3, ndi c (kwakanthawi). Mwachitsanzo, nthawi yapakati pa zochitika ziwiri siyokhazikika pakati pa owonerera, koma zimadalira kutalikirana pakati pa mafelemu awo (Kusintha kwa Lorentz - ma equation anayi omwe amagwiritsidwanso ntchito powerengera magawo amlengalenga ndi nthawi pakusintha pakati pamagetsi osagwirizana). Kuphatikiza apo, pali kuchepa (kutsitsa) nthawi. Malinga ndi chiphunzitso chokhudzana, kudalirana kwa nthawi ndi katundu wa nthawi palokha, chifukwa chake ndikuchulukirachulukira sikuti wotchi imayenda yokha... Werengani zambiri "
Pano pali umboni wina wosonyeza kuti nthawi imatha kusintha: % 20a% 20stationary% 20one. & Text = Ochepa% 20sayansi% 20doubt% 20that% 20Einstein% 20was% 20right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele%E20%20%20Keating_experiment Izi zikuwonetsa kuti kupita kwa nthawi "sikusiyana" kutengera kuthamanga, koma kumasiyanasiyana, komanso kutengera malingaliro omwe ananenedweratu ndi lingaliro la Einstein . Komanso, lingaliro lakuti Mulungu sanganame limatsimikizira mfundo yanga m'malo moigonjetsa. Kunama kungakhale kungomvera chinthu china. Tikanama, timachimwa ndipo timakhala akapolo a uchimo. Mulungu sangathe kugonjera chilichonse, kapolo wa chilichonse, koma zinthu zonse zimamugonjera. “. . .Pakuti Mulungu "adagonjetsera zonse pansi pa mapazi ake." Koma pamene iye... Werengani zambiri "
Ndinakupatsani maumboni awiri pazofufuza za sayansi zomwe zimachirikiza imodzi mwa mfundo zanga zazikulu, komabe mumazinyalanyaza, ndikunena zomwe ndanena sizowona. Kuphatikiza apo, mukundinena kuti ndiyambitsa chipembedzo. Mukuwoneka kuti mukugwira ntchito poganiza kuti popeza simungaganizire chilichonse chomwe chidalipo nthawi isanachitike, palibe chomwe chingakhalepo. Komabe mukuwonetsa kuti ine ndine amene ndikukakamira. Ndine wofunitsitsa kukambirana malingaliro osiyanasiyana, koma ngati mutenga zonena zanuzanu, ndiye kuti zimasiya kukhala zosangalatsa.
Eric Chifukwa chiyani mukuwononga nthawi ndi zokambirana za Just Asking, zikuyenera kukhala zokwanira kuti alandiridwenso kuyankha pano popeza ali ndi njira yayitali yakukuitanani pamsonkhanowu. (mumakhala oleza mtima kwambiri kuposa ambiri) Ndikukhulupirira kuti sangathe kudzithandiza chifukwa mwina ali ndi zake, zosadziwika nafe. Ndikulangiza kuti asinthe avatar yake Kungokangana, chifukwa ngati akumva kuti mukuchita zomwe akukunenerani, bwanji apitilizabe kukhala pano? Ndikutsimikiza kuti ambiri adayendera pamsonkhanowu pazaka zambiri ndipo sanagwirizane nawo... Werengani zambiri "
Yesu analankhula kwa onse kuphatikizapo omutsutsawo.
Ndi Nsanja ya Olonda yomwe imachita mosiyana.
Ndikuyamikira kuyesetsabe kwa Eric kuti njira yolumikizirana ikhale yotseguka ndi iwo omwe sagwirizana.
Zikomo nonse. Ndikutha kuwona mbali zonse ziwiri za zokambiranazi. Paulo adauza Timoteo kuti: Ndiyambanso kunena kuti, usatenge nawo mbali m’mikangano yopusa, yopanda nzeru yomwe imangoyambitsa mikangano. Wantchito wa Ambuye sayenera kukangana koma ayenera kukhala wachifundo kwa aliyense, kukhala wokhoza kuphunzitsa, ndi kuleza mtima ndi anthu ovuta. Modzichepetsa phunzitsani anthu amene amatsutsa choonadi. Mwina Mulungu angasinthe mitima ya anthu amenewo, ndipo aphunzira choonadi. Kenako adzabwerera ku nzeru zawo ndipo adzathawa msampha wa mdierekezi. Pakuti agwidwa ndi iye kuti achite chilichonse chimene akufuna. (2 Timoteyo... Werengani zambiri "
Kufufuza kopanda pas d'accepter ou pas un avis contraire. Eric accepte l'exposition d'avis amatsutsana. Kufufuza kwachitika ndi TON de JA. Ses propos sont acerbes, autoritaires et manquent de ulemu. De kuphatikiza milandu ya s s FAUSSES. Personne sur ce site, et sûrement pas Eric, a le désir de créer une chipembedzo. Ndimafuna kuti ndikhale ndi mwayi woti ndizisankha. Nous sommes des chrétiens, conduisons nous en chrétiens remplis d'amour et de sollicitude. Ce serait dommage de se priver de ses très bonnes idées mais vraiment appliquons tous Colossoens 4: 6 [6] Que votre parole... Werengani zambiri "
Sindikukhulupirira kuthamangitsa aliyense, Yesu sanatero.
Ndingadziwe bwanji zomwe Mulungu angakhale akuchita mumtima mwa munthu? Kapena momwe malingaliro ndi zikhulupiriro za munthu wina zingawongolere zanga?
Mwanjira imeneyi ndimalowetsanso mtima wanga kuti usandinyenge ndikuganiza kuti nditha kuweruza munthu. Sindingathe.
Tiyenera kujambula mzere kwinakwake, koma aliyense wa ife ayenera kudziwa komwe angakokere. 2 Yohane 6-11 amafotokoza momveka bwino kuti pali malire pakufunitsitsa kwathu kumvera aliyense. Ngakhale Yesu adakwiya nthawi zina ndi anthu ouma mitima. “Pamenepo anayamba kumufunsa kuti:“ Ndiwe ndani? ” Yesu anawafunsa kuti: “N'chifukwa chiyani ndimalankhula nanu? Ndili ndi zambiri zoti ndinene zokhudza inu ndi kupereka chiweruzo. Zowonadi zake, wondituma Ine ndi wowona, ndipo zinthu zomwe ndamva kwa iye ndine... Werengani zambiri "
(Yohane 8: 25-30) 25 Choncho anayamba kumufunsa kuti: “Ndiwe ndani?” Yesu anawafunsa kuti: “N'chifukwa chiyani ndimalankhula nanu? 26 Ndili ndi zambiri zoti ndinene zokhudza inu ndi kupereka chiweruzo. Zowonadi, wondituma Ine ali wowona, ndipo zomwe ndazimva kwa Iye, zomwezo ndilankhula m'dziko lapansi. ” 27 Iwo sanazindikire kuti anali kunena za Atatewo. 28 Pamenepo Yesu anati: “Mukakweza Mwana wa munthu, pomwepo mudzadziwa kuti Ine ndine, ndi kuti Ine... Werengani zambiri "
Zowona, koma ndimagwiritsa ntchito mawuwa posonyeza kukwiya. Kutsatira kumveketsa kwanu, titha kupitiliza zokambirana ndi anthu ouma mitima komanso opanda nzeru kuti athandize ena omwe akumvera ndipo amatha kuwona mbali zonse ziwiri za zokambiranazo. Komabe, timamveranso bwanji uphungu wa Paulo kuti tipewe mikangano yopusa komanso yopanda nzeru? Malingaliro anu ndi otani pa izi?
Koma inu musatchedwa Rabi, pakuti munatero Mphunzitsi m'modzi, ndipo nonsenu ndinu abale. ” NIV
Sindikumvetsa mfundo yanu.
Khristu yekha ndiye Mphunzitsi wanga.
Ndikumva izi, koma ndi chiyani chomwe chikugwirizana ndi mutu womwe ukukambidwa? Takhala tikukambirana momwe tingachitire ndi ndemanga zomwe zingadutse malire kukhala zomwe Paulo amatcha "mafunso opusa ndi opanda nzeru".
Chifukwa ngati Khristu sanaphunzitse sinditsatira.
Kodi izi si zomwe Khristu adaphunzitsa?
Chilichonse chomwe chalakwika ndi zipembedzo zachikhristu chimalumikizidwa ndikusiya ziphunzitso za Khristu.
Kukonda mnansi, kukonda mbale, sikumapangitsa kuti tisadye nawo mwamunayo. China chake Yesu sanachite.
Yesu adakhala pansi patebulo pamodzi ndi adani ake.
Tiyeni titsatire Mwana wa Mulungu!
Kodi ndikulondola ndikumvetsetsa kuti mukunena kuti simulandira mawu a Paulo, chifukwa sanachokere kwa Yesu mwachindunji?
Pamene Paulo akutsutsana ndi Khristu ndimatsatira Khristu.
Sindinazindikire kuti simukuvomereza Lemba lonse. Kodi Paulo akutsutsana ndi Khristu kuti?
Khristu sanaphunzitse kuti tisamadye limodzi ndi abale omwe ndi ochimwa.
“Koma tsopano ndikukulemberani kuti musayanjane ndi aliyense amene amati ndi m'bale kapena mlongo koma ndi wachiwerewere kapena waumbombo, wopembedza mafano kapena wamiseche, woledzera kapena wabera. Osadya nawo pamodzi. ” NIV
Yesu anadya ndi ochimwa.
Khristu ndi wokongola nthawi imeneyo komanso tsopano.
Tisatchulepo.
Timasungabe umphumphu koma sitimasala anzathu.
Kuti awone Khristu ndikubwera kwa iye ..
M'malo mwake, ndangojambula kanema pamutuwu. Ndizisiya zokambiranazi mpaka izi zitatuluke ndipo mutha kundiuza ngati mukuvomera kapena ayi. Komabe, sindikuvomereza kukana mbali zina za Baibulo. Paulo anatumidwa ndi Yesu monganso Yohane. Mawu a Yesu omwe mumawakonda kwambiri sanalembedwe ndi Yesu, koma ndi amuna anayi, m'modzi mwa iwo ndi Yohane, ndi Yohane nawonso adalandira vumbulutso kuchokera kwa Yesu, ndipo Yohane akutiuza kuti tisayanjane ndi munthu amene abweretsa chiphunzitso china. 2 Yohane 7-11, chifukwa chake tiyenera kupatula.... Werengani zambiri "
Ndimalemekeza malingaliro anu ndi malingaliro anu.
Jack
Ndipo ine wanu, zachidziwikire.
Ndikumvetsa.
Mulole nonse amene mukuyembekeza mwa Khristu akwaniritsidwe.
Jack
Kudyetsa osauka, kuthandiza osowa pokhala, kulimbikitsa otayika ndi otaya mtima, kupereka thandizo kwa osowa ndi osauka.
Umenewu ndi udindo wathu wachikhristu kuwonjezera pa kufalitsa uthenga wabwino.
Ndithudi ndi gawo lake, koma udindo wathu ndikumvera Mulungu, ngakhale titapeza kuti ndizosavomerezeka. Kodi simukuvomereza?
Mwamtheradi!
Kodi pali malo apa oti munthu amene amatsatira Khristu yekha?
Sindikufuna kubweretsa kusagwirizana.
Wawa Jack, ukunena mfundo zabwino, koma sindimatanthauza kuti JA adulidwe. Yesu adadziwa kuti inali nthawi yoti "akhale chete" Mat. 26:63 ndipo zomwe ndimanena kwa Eric zinali, sayenera kuwona kufunikira koti ayankhe pazovuta zomwe a JA anali nazo, popeza ngakhale Yesu tidafika polekezera ndi Afarisi! Kumbali inayi JA iyenera kutsatira 1 Peter 3:15 ikafunsidwa za zikhulupiriro zake kuyankha "mofatsa ndi mwaulemu" Pofananizira kuyerekezera ndi Nsanja ya Olonda, palibe, popeza tonse tikudziwa mtundu wotsegukawu zokambirana zingatero... Werengani zambiri "
Pali chodabwitsa chomwe chimadziwika kuti Internet Troll. Kwenikweni, anthu ena amagwiritsa ntchito kusadziwika kwa intaneti ngati khungu kuti anene zinthu zomwe sanganene m'malo osadziwika. Poipa kwambiri, izi zitha kukhala zosokoneza kwambiri ndipo zingapangitse anthu kusiya kunyansidwa. Nditangolemba kumene apa, panali wina yemwe adadzisankhira kuti "akonze" zonse zomwe ndanena. Sindinayankhe konse, yomwe ndi njira yabwino kwambiri yopondereza. Ponena za yemwe ali troll, limenelo ndi funso lotseguka. Nthawi ina troll yamunthu ikhoza kukhala ngwazi ya munthu wina. Ndi china chake... Werengani zambiri "
Wawa Eric. Ndikuganiza kuti lingaliro lanthawi kapena nthawi ndilovuta kwambiri kuti ambiri amvetsetse. Ndilimbana nawo, ndipo sindimapeza. Awo mwina ndi komwe JA akuchokera. Pomwe zoyeserera zakhala zikuchitika kuti zitsimikizire mfundo, ndikuganiza kuti ili ndi lingaliro lovuta kwambiri, monganso kuwona zamtsogolo lilinso lingaliro, zomwe ndikukhulupirira kuti ndizosatheka. Zachidziwikire, ngati mungayende mofulumira kuposa kuthamanga kwa kuunika, mutha kuyesa kuti nditsimikizire kuti ndikulakwitsa, koma ndikadachita... Werengani zambiri "
Wawa Eric, dInu mukuganiza kuti mwina tikupanga izi mwanjira inayake, momwe ine ndikuwonera ndikuti woyamba ndi womalizira amatanthauza wamuyaya, Mulungu ndi wamuyaya, palibe wina patsogolo pa "woyamba" ndipo palibe wina pambuyo pa womaliza. Tisaiwale kuti Yesu ali ndi dzina lomweli (Chiv 1:17)
Ndikuvomereza kuti onse Atate ndi Mwana ndiwamuyaya. Sitiyeneranso kumvetsetsa momwe izi zingagwire ntchito, koma kwa ma nerds omwe ali pakati pathu (olakwa), zimakhala zosangalatsa kuyesera nthawi zonse.
Mukuwoneka kuti mwaphonya mfundo yofunika; nthawi ndi malo ndi a zinthu zakuthupi. Ife, kukhala a dera lomwelo, tili omangidwa ndi malowa, pothekera kwathu pakukhudza kusintha komanso kuthekera kwathu kuti timvetsetse. Zomwe zisanafike nthawi yomwe Mulungu adalenga chilengedwechi sizingayesedwe ndi miyezo ya chilengedwe. ndizomveka kuti panali zochitika zisanachitike, koma izi zili kunja kwa gawo lathu ndipo ndizoposa chilichonse chomwe tingamvetsetse. Asayansi omwe amaphunzira zakuthambo amadzinenera kuti amatha kutsatira zomwe adachitazo mpaka pomwe adafika... Werengani zambiri "
Zomwe ndidalemba poyamba sizinali zanga koma zidakopera. Zinthuzo ndizotalikirapo kuposa zomwe ndidalemba ndikulemba pano. Zikuwoneka kuti ndiyesera kuti ndikulembereni ndikukutumizirani imelo.
Cholinga changa chotumizira nkhaniyi ndikuwona ngati zomwe zatchulidwazo zithandizidwe momwe ziwonetserozi zikupitilira. Ndikukhulupirira kuti mafunso omwe adzafunsidwe munthawi ya nkhanizi adzajambulidwa.
Nthawi ndi Danga ndizokhudza Zinthu zakuthupi. Tikudziwa nthawi ngati nthawi pakati pa zochitika ziwiri. Zitha kukhala zochitika pakuwonongeka kwa atomu ya cesium, yomwe ndi maziko a mawotchi ambiri a atomiki, kapena kuwerengetsa masana masana pamalo ena, monga kwakhala kukugwiritsidwa ntchito m'mbiri yonse ya anthu. Chimodzi chimakhala chotsutsana ndi muyeso wakuthupi. Zinthu zonse, ngakhale malo opanda kanthu pakati pa zinthu, ndiyeso ya chilengedwe. Kupitilira gawo lakuthupi, tili ndi zidziwitso zochepa. Palibe njira yoti tidutse malire a mphamvu zathu, chifukwa awa... Werengani zambiri "
(Genesis 1: 1). . .Pachiyambi Mulungu adalenga kumwamba ndi dziko lapansi. (Genesis 1: 5). . Ndipo panali madzulo ndipo panali m'maŵa, tsiku loyamba. . . (Genesis 1:14). . .Ndipo Mulungu anati: "Pakhale zounikira kuthambo kuti zilekanitse usana ndi usiku; ndipo ziyenera kukhala ngati zizindikilo ndi nyengo komanso masiku ndi zaka Nthawi yokha siili mwa iwo wokha. Ndi muyeso wapakati pa chochitika china ndi china m'chilengedwe. Ili pano... Werengani zambiri "
Zanenedwa bwino.
Merci Jack
Kupanga ma Raisonnement kosavuta, logique et surtout biblique.
Sitikudziwa kuti anthu otani ali ndi mwayi wopita kumayiko ena. Sayansi sayenera kudziwa. Alle a parfois changé de conclusions suite à de nouvelles découvertes.
Ayi, kulibe lemba, koma nthawi ndi malo ndi zinthu zakuthupi, ndipo Mulungu ndi wakuuzimu. Pokhala Mlengi ndi woyambitsa wa zinthu zakuthupi, Iye ali, mwakutanthauzira, osati gawo la chilengedwe.
Ndendende, Chet.
Ndipo Mulungu samadalira nthawi chifukwa adapanga nthawi ngati gawo la chilengedwe:
“Zinthu zonse zidapangidwa ndi Iye; ndipo kopanda iye sikunalengedwa kanthu kalikonse kolengedwa. ” (Yohane 1: 3). Zinthu zonse - komanso zinthu zonse zakuthupi, kuphatikiza nthawi.
Nthawi, nkhani, danga ndi mphamvu zimalumikizidwa mosasunthika (Chiphunzitso cha Einstein's Relativity). Izi zimatsimikiziridwa bwino (monga Eric adanenera). Popanda chiphunzitsochi sizingatheke kuyambitsa kafukufuku wa mlengalenga ngati Voyager kapena ena kuti atsatire mapulaneti. Ichi ndichifukwa chake ndikuganiza kuti tinapeza vesi - Yohane 1: 3.
Kungofunsa,
Kodi mukukhulupirira kuti Mulungu amakhala ndi malo pomwe ife timakhala ndi danga? Danga lenileni? Kapena malo amzimu?
Ngati malo amzimu ndingavomereze. Ngati ndi choncho, mungatanthauze bwanji danga lamzimu ili? Kodi ndizochepa? Kodi ndikudzaza kopanda malire?
Kodi ndizotheka? Ndi kumwamba?
Ponena za mawu ena pa KJV pansipa - ndimakonda kusangalala ndikuwerenga KJV, ndipo ndikukhulupirira kuti zidalembedwa mwanjira zina. Koma pali zifukwa zingapo zofunika kuziganizira mukafika pophunzira ndi mandala owerengera. Choyamba, ngati mukuphunzira mtundu wakale, KJV ndichachikale, chosavuta kumva. Inde, matembenuzidwe amakono ambiri asintha kwambiri luso la munthu lomvetsetsa lembalo. Koma ngati muwerenga buku lakale, mawu monga (opanda mawu): mbozi, kupota, zotuluka m'miyala, choko, assupim ndi ochepa mwa masauzande azinthu zakale zamakedzana... Werengani zambiri "
YEHOVA WA MAKAMU? Gulu Limodzi La Amuna Kapena Gawo La Gospel Trio?
Kampani ya AMBUYE wa Makamu ikuti: Kokha ku Gahena, ndi komwe tidzadziwe. Luka 16:17 KJV
Hade, mulungu wina wachi Greek kuyambira kumbuyo, samatha kuyatsa machesi ku Gahena.
Malinga ndi Wophunzira Yesu Khristu adakonda. Luka 16: 23-26 KJV
“Samalani ndi zomwe mukuwerenga
Chilamulo chimangovomerezedwa ndi Chikalata chimodzi chokha. ”
Madalitso kwa onse pano munthawi zino zabodza komanso chowonadi chobisika. Chonde mverani kwa Shepard Wowona yekhayo Yesu Khristu.
Masalimo
CHABWINO ndimapumula mlandu wanga ku ndemanga zanga masiku 3 apitawa
“Palibe nkhani yomwe idasokoneza mgwirizano wa Akhristu ngati Utatu!
Ambiri akhala maola ambiri akuwononga poyesera kutsimikizira ena kuti mbali imodzi kapena ina ndi yolondola kuyambira m'zaka za zana lachitatu. ”
Kodi pali wina amene adakhulupirira mpaka pano kuti asintha chikhulupiriro chake pa Utatu? chonde kwezani dzanja lanu!
Nkhani yayikulu ya Eric komabe, sindingathe kudikira gawo lachiwiri, ndidakonza ma popcorn anga!
@Alirezatalischioriginal
Mabotolo, ndikuyembekeza. Yum.
Lol Eric Ndikulingalira kuti winawake sakonda ma popcorn amtundu wambiri
Ngati mungaphonye ndemanga yanga kwa Leonardo Eric, kodi mungafotokozere zomwe mukutanthauza ponena kuti Yesu ndi Mulungu? Zisiyireni izi kumapeto ngati mukufuna kutero. Kungokhala kuti kumatha kukhala ndi mayanjano osiyana ndi anthu azikhalidwe zosiyanasiyana komanso omwe ali ndi zolemba zosiyanasiyana.
Kukonda onse ochokera ku Alithia.
Mavesi ambiri osangalatsa ochokera kwa Apolo. Mwa kunyalanyaza monga ine ndiliri, kodi tingafotokozere ngati chilankhulo chomwe chidagwiritsidwa ntchito m'mawu osiyanasiyana chimaloleza "Mulungu" osati "Mulungu"? Kodi Mulungu ayenera kukhala Mulungu Wamphamvuyonse? Izi zikuwoneka ngati muzu wachisokonezo. Yesu iye mwini anagwira mawu Masalmo 82; 6 "inu nonse ndinu Amulungu". Ngati nditchula Mulungu, inu ndi ine timadziwa kuti ndikutanthauza Mlengi, kapena Yehova. Kodi ndizotheka kuti kutsutsana kumeneku ndikungokhudza kusamvetsetsa zonse zomwe zidalembedwa m'Baibulo komanso cholinga cha Mkhristu woyambirira uja... Werengani zambiri "
Ndikuthandiziranso ndemanga yanu Leo atha Eric kufotokoza zomwe amatanthauza akamanena kuti Yesu ndi Mulungu ???
Tikudziwa kuti angelo adamuyendera Abrahamu chifukwa Ahebri, m'machaputala ake oyamba, amafotokoza kuti zinali choncho. Komabe powerenga nkhaniyi, m'modzi mwa angelo (kapena m'modzi mwa amunawo) amatchedwa Yehova, ngati kuti Yehova mwiniyo adayimirira pamaso pa Abrahamu. Koma palibe munthu anaonapo Mulungu. Kotero ndikudziwa kuti anali mngelo amene ankalankhula ngati Mulungu. Mwachikhalidwe chathu mwina sitinatchulepo kalikonse kotere, koma kwa Mhebri panthawiyo zomwe zinali zovomerezeka. Ndikadakhala kuti ndiyankhula nanu pafoni ndikukuwuzani... Werengani zambiri "
Ngati zomwe mukutanthauza ngati 'woimira Mulungu' ndikuyimirira m'malo mwa Mulungu ndiye kuti ndigwirizana nanu ndipo mu izi. Lingaliro loyimira limamveka bwino pakulankhulana kwachihebri zonse zolembedwa komanso zonena. Pali chitsanzo chomwe zingawoneke kwa ife mtsogoleri wankhondo akufunsa Yesu kuti abwere adzachiritse wantchito wake komanso nkhani yofananira komwe kuli akulu achiyuda omwe amabwera kudzafunsa Yesu kuti apite kwa wantchito wake wodwalayo kuti amuchiritse. Palibe kutsutsana pano pamene akulu adapita kwa Yesu ngati 'oimira' a... Werengani zambiri "
Eric, ndinakulira m'banja lachikatolika lachiroma, ndipo utatu nthawi zonse unkadziwika kuti ndi chinsinsi. Zinalibe tanthauzo lililonse. Ngakhale Yesu salinso Mulungu kuposa angelo omwe anali Yehova, monga mudanenera, ndilibe vuto ndi mavesi mu NT omwe amagwiritsa ntchito mutuwu, Mulungu. Zikuwoneka kwa ine kuti ngati olemba adziwa kuti Yesu ndi mwana wa Mulungu, ndiye kuti akungolemekeza mwa kutchula zinthu zomwe adachita monga zochokera kwa Mulungu. Izi ndizomwe ndingathe kuziyika. Koma sizimaletsa Yesu kutchedwa a... Werengani zambiri "
Izi zimakhala zomveka. "Ngakhale Yesu salinso Mulungu kuposa angelo omwe anali Yehova, monga mudanenera, ndilibe vuto ndi mavesi mu NT omwe amagwiritsa ntchito dzina laulemu, Mulungu. Zikuwoneka kuti ngati olembawo avomereza kuti Yesu ndi mwana wa Mulungu, ndiye kuti akungosonyeza ulemu pofotokoza zinthu zomwe iye wachita kuti zimachokera kwa Mulungu. ” Kwenikweni zonse zomwe zidalipo zidachitika chifukwa cha Mulungu Wamphamvuyonse. Ngati ndingamwe madzi, ngakhale chinthu chopepuka chimenecho ndi mphatso ya Mulungu, ngati titabwerera komwe tidapeza. Ndi... Werengani zambiri "
Zachidziwikire kwambiri Leonardo, ndipo zikomo kwambiri chifukwa cha zitsanzo zabwinozi. Adzanditumikira bwino poyankha zokambirana zambiri zotsutsana ndi Utatu zomwe ndimapeza pa YouTube.
Tinavomera, ndipo inali mfundo yomwe Penton adapanga mu kanemayo. Yohane 1: 1 amatha kuwerengera kalembedwe kake motere "mawuwo anali mulungu" kapena "mawuwo anali mulungu". Munthu aliyense wololera yemwe amadziwa galamala yachi Greek amayenera kuvomereza kuti kusamvetseka kulipo, chifukwa chake vesili silingagwiritsidwe ntchito kutsimikizira lingaliro lililonse, Arian kapena Utatu.
Khristu akugwira mawu a pa Yesaya 44: 6 nthawi zambiri mu Chivumbulutso… “Ine Ndine Woyamba Ndi Womaliza…”… ndipo mu lemba la Yesaya, ndi Yehovayo akulankhula…
Yehova ndiye woyamba ndi womaliza ndipo Yesu ndiye woyamba ndi wotsiriza. Zokwanira, koma oyamba ndi omaliza chiyani?
Ndiye poyambira pa nkhaniyi. Tilibe chidziwitso chokwanira kuti tidutse zomwe zalembedwa. Muzokambirana zina, ndakhala ndikudziwika kuti "37", zomwe zimapangitsa kuti anthu asamangoyang'ana, nthawi yomweyo. Kenako ndikufotokozera, 37 ndiye nambala yeniyeni ya angelo omwe amatha kuvina pamutu wa chikhomo. Ndi zaka 37, ndipo ndikudziwa izi ngati zoona. Mfundo yanga ndiyakuti zokambirana zitha kutha pang'ono pang'ono. Nthawi zonse pamakhala "eya, koma" yomwe ingathe kuwonjezeredwa ndi phando lina la kalulu lomwe lingathe kufufuzidwa mozama, koma kodi izi zikukwaniritsa chiyani? Pamenepo,... Werengani zambiri "
Kwa ine, chowopsa ndi chiphunzitso cha Utatu ndikuti chimasintha malingaliro athu a abambo. Chilichonse ndikubwezeretsa ubale womwe udatayika pomwe Adam adachimwa. Mdierekezi amafuna kuti izi zilephereke. Chilichonse chomwe chimasokoneza ubale wathu ndi abambo chimatha kufooketsa chipulumutso chathu. Kwa mamiliyoni a akhristu omwe amati Utatu ndiye chiphunzitso chawo - ndipo tisapange mafupa okhulupirira, amakhulupirira kuti iyi ndiye chiphunzitso chimodzi chomwe chimazindikiritsa Akhristu enieni - amakhulupirira kuti Yesu ndi Mulungu. Koma Yesu akutiuza kuti njira yopita ku... Werengani zambiri "
Zanenedwa bwino.
Chilankhulo cha Utatu ndichopanda mawu osagwirizana ndi zochitika zenizeni padziko lapansi. Zambiri zimandigunda ngati kuyankhula kawiri.
Ooo… ndimakonda mkangano…! Ndizomwe ndimasowa kwambiri…! Ndipo kodi sizosangalatsa kukhala omasuka kutsutsana, abale anga ndi alongo… ?! Kotero… nazi zomwe ndikutenga pa shebang yonse… (kaya ndi zowona zonse… zosaganizira sizili zoti munthu aliyense andisankhire… chifukwa ndizochitikira zanga ndikulumikizana ndi Ambuye zomwe zimapanga chikhulupiriro changa… koma izi ndizinsinsi… ndipo nthawi zina, zosatheka ...) ndinayamba kuwerenga buku la Chivumbulutso kanthawi kochepa… koma zidandisokoneza kwambiri, ndimayenera kusiya… (mwina chifukwa ndimavutika kuti ndisiye kaye malingaliro anga) koma nditawona... Werengani zambiri "
Komabe, lemba louziridwa siligwiritsa ntchito mawu oti Wamphamvuyonse, ponseponse kapena wodziwa zonse. Izi ndi zinthu zonse zomwe anthu amanena zokhudza Mulungu, Mlengi, osati zinthu zomwe Mulungu Mlengi adawona kuti ndizoyenera kunena za iyemwini. Paulo ananena bwino mu 1 Akorinto 4: 6 “Ndalemba izi kwa ine ndekha ndi Apollo kuti zikuthandizeni, abale, kuti mwa inu muphunzire ndi ife, kuti musapitirire pa zolembedwa, kuti wina wa inu angadzitukumule "Zaka zapitazo, ndimayenera kulingalira zoika kanyama m'thupi, ngati njira imodzi yochizira.... Werengani zambiri "
Chet adati,
“Komabe, lemba louziridwa siligwiritsa ntchito mawu oti Wamphamvuyonse, ponseponse kapena wodziwa zonse. Izi ndi zinthu zonse zomwe anthu amanena zokhudza Mulungu, Mlengi, osati zomwe Mulungu Mlengi anaona kuti ndi zoyenera kunena za iye mwini. ”
Moni Chet,
Mu Authorized version of the Bible pa Rev 19: 6 KJV imagwiritsa ntchito liwu loti "wamphamvuyonse".
Ndipo matembenuzidwe ena ambiri samatero. Ndi umboni wanji womwe ulipo wosonyeza kuti King James ndiwodalirika m'njira zomwe matembenuzidwe ena alibe? Kutanthauzira kwakukulu kwa matanthauzidwe achingerezi sikugwiritsa ntchito dzinalo ndikugwiritsa ntchito Wamphamvuyonse.
Umboni woperekedwa kwa ine uli m'Malemba momwemo. Munati:" Kutanthauzira kwakukulu kwa Mabaibulo achingerezi sikugwiritsa ntchito mawuwa kugwiritsa ntchito Wamphamvuyonse.
Izi ndizowona pamitundu yonse yosaloledwa. Pachifukwachi aliyense ayenera kungotanthauzira Baibulo m'mawu awoawo. Mukunena kuti simudzakopeka ndi amuna ngati momwe zingakhalire. Koma kodi sizomwe mukuchita mukamagwiritsa ntchito kumasulira kwamitundu yambiri kuchokera kwa amuna ndikusiya Authoritative.
Kodi si chifukwa chake Satana ali chomwe iye ali? Osalemekeza Ulamuliro.
Masalimo, Rom 13: 1
Psalmbee, maziko anu oti KJV ndiye "Wovomerezeka", pomwe ena sali?
Wawa Meleti, maziko anga okha ndi a Mzimu Woyera wa Khristu, Madzi Ake opulumutsa moyo ndi Magazi Ake okhetsedwa kuti awomboledwe pa Mtanda. (1Joh 5: 8 NWT) Ndiuzeni, kodi mukuganiza kuti ndidabadwira chikwangwani choipa ndili ndi mwezi wabuluu m'maso mwanga, kapena ndi Baibulo la Green lomwe linali ndi tsankho? Kuyesedwa ndi zoona kwakhala kukumana kwanga ndi KJV. Kuvomerezedwa ndi Korona waku England ndipo sanasankhidwebe. (kutenga nawo mbali m'mbuyomu) Kupatula omwe amamwetsa vinyo wa Hule, sindikuwona aliyense kapena Wolamulira aliyense akuyesera kutenga... Werengani zambiri "
Kodi chilolezo cha King James waku England chimangoyendetsa wina aliyense? Mukuganiza kuti mukudziwa momwe mzimu woyera ukugwirira ntchito kapena ndi mzimu wa Khristu kuti muthe kunena kuti ndi matembenuzidwe ati ovomerezeka ndi ati omwe sali?
Mwalandilidwa pamalingaliro anu, inde.
Ndingosiya pakadali pano.
Meleti, (Miy 14:12 NWT)
Ndimakhulupirira Baibulo, chifukwa lakwaniritsa zomwe zidakwaniritsidwa. Ndimakhulupiriranso chifukwa zinthu zolembedwa m'Baibulo, zaka masauzande zapitazo zakhala zikugwira zaka. Ngati Baibulo lidali louziridwa ndi Mulungu, lomwe ndimakhulupirira, zikadakhala zomveka kuti Iye asunge mawu Ake. Ngakhale matembenuzidwe osiyanasiyana sagwirizana pa vesi lililonse, zowerengera zimagwira ntchito kuti zisunge tanthauzo loyambirira. Ndi zida monga Bible Hub, zimakhala zosavuta kufufuza ndikufanizira kumasulira. Mwina uwu ndi makonzedwe ochokera kwa Mlengi wathu. Chinthu chimodzi ndi chotsimikizika, mu my... Werengani zambiri "
Ovomerezeka ndi ndani? Pokhapokha atavomerezedwa ndi Yehova kapena Yesu, izi zimangokhala malingaliro amunthu kapena magulu aanthu. Zikatero, sindinachite chidwi.
Nkhani yosangalatsanso, koma IMO nkhaniyi imagwiranso ntchito pomanga udzu womwewo womwe amuna a JW adagwiritsa ntchito poyesa kunena kuti malingaliro opondereza adayamba zaka zana pambuyo pa Khristu ndi atumwi. Zambiri mwazimenezi ndizabodza. Kupatula umboni wamphamvu woperekedwa ndi John komanso olemba Baibulo ena, pali umboni wambiri wamipukutu wa Christology wapamwamba wa mpingo woyambirira. Ndili ndi mbiri ya https://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2018/03/extremely-early-testimonies-to-the-deity-of-christ/ nazi zitsanzo zabwino kwambiri: Polycarp (AD 69-155) anali bishopu ku tchalitchi ku Smurna komanso wophunzira wa Yohane Mtumwi. M'kalata yake yopita kwa Afilipi, alemba, Tsopano... Werengani zambiri "
Munalemba kuti:
"Nkhani yosangalatsa, koma IMO nkhaniyi idabweranso pakupanga udzu womwewo womwe amuna a JW adagwiritsa ntchito poyesa kunena kuti malingaliro opondereza adayamba zaka mazana ambiri Khristu ndi atumwi atatha."
Sindikudziwa kuti kutsutsana kwa Strawman ndi chiyani. Kodi mungakhale achindunji?
Bungwe la Nicene silinakhazikitsidwe mwadzidzidzi. Sizinapezeke m'malo osungira. Payenera kuti panali kusamvana komanso zikhulupiriro zolakwika, kukakamizidwa pandale komanso zifukwa zina zoti bungweli liyitane. Chinthu chofunikira kwambiri chomwe ambiri amalephera kuzindikira ndichakuti kuwongolera ndi kuwongolera Malemba kunasokonezedwa ndi Akhristu okhulupirira achiyuda omwe anali ndi malingaliro olondola, ndipo pambuyo pake adayendetsedwa ndi Akunja omwe adaphunzitsidwa mu filosofi yachi Greek. Itha kukhala chifukwa chomwe ambiri adakhalako ngakhale anali kukhala pafupi ndi nthawi ya... Werengani zambiri "
Ndendende! Ndadzionera ndekha zomwe malingaliro a anthu angachite kuti afooketse ziphunzitso za Baibulo. Chifukwa chakuti winawake wakwanitsa udindo wopangidwa ndi anthu, wopatsidwa ndi munthu, sizitanthauza kuti munthuyu ali ndi ulamuliro woposa mnzake. Zikuwoneka kuti bungwe la JW likuchepa kwambiri, pomwe ndikulemba izi. Ndikumva chisoni kwambiri kwa anthu omwe atha kukhala osokonezeka, koma sindikumvera chisoni iwo omwe ali m'malo a utsogoleri omwe apeza ndalama chifukwa chodalirika komanso kuwolowa manja kwa okhulupirika. Koma izi sizachilendo; matchalitchi ambiri ofunikira akuwoneka... Werengani zambiri "
Tikuyembekezera mwachidwi magawo amtsogolo a zokambiranazi. Mawu akuti henotheistic anali achilendo kwa ine, ndipo ndimaganiza kuti ndimva zonse zikamakambirana za Utatu. Ndikuyamikira ndemanga ya Alithia yonena kuti "mawu omveka bwino a m'Baibulo ndichinthu china, pomwe kutanthauzira kwa anthu kumakhala kosiyana" kukhala kogonjera. Ndikuvomereza. Zowonadi, ndikugwirizana ndi ena omwe anena kuti kuyimba konse kwa malembo ndikutanthauzira kumasulira kwa lemba. Ndipo izi, mosazindikira, zitha kudzipangitsa kukhala apamwamba kuposa malembo omwe. (Ngati ndingagonjere pokhapokha ndikavomera, amene ndimamvera... Werengani zambiri "
Mulungu atadzutsa aneneri, kuwathandiza Kwake kunawonetsedwa kwambiri ndi maulosi awo akukwaniritsidwa. Koma nthawi zingapo, pomwe nthawi inali yofunika, Iye adapereka zizindikilo zomwe zimawonetsa kuti aneneriwa anali ndi chithandizo chauzimu. Chifukwa chake, Mose atapatsidwa ntchito yomasula ana a Israeli ku Aigupto, Aisraeli adadziwa za Miliri Khumi, ndikudziwa kuti angadalire Mose. Ataponyedwa pansi ndi gulu lankhondo la Aiguputo litatseka, adachita chozizwitsa champhamvu kwambiri kuti athe kuthawa. Sanali wonyengerera wina yemwe anali ndi zolemba zosangalatsa komanso... Werengani zambiri "
Ndikugwirizana ndi Chet pa izi. Tiyenera kukumbukira kuti liwu loti mpingo limagwiritsidwa ntchito kumasulira liwu lachi Greek ekklésia lomwe limatanthauza "msonkhano, msonkhano" ndipo limatanthawuza kwenikweni kwa iwo omwe "adaitanidwa". Sanapangidwepo kuti atchulidwe bungwe lolinganizidwa monga Katolika, tchalitchi cha Mormon, kapena Church of England. Thupi la Khristu limatanthauza iwo omwe ayitanidwa (ekklésia) kuchokera mdziko lapansi kukhala ana a Mulungu. Komabe, masiku ano mukamati "tchalitchi" mumangotanthauza utsogoleri kapena atsogoleri achipembedzo omwe akulamulira chipembedzocho. Liti... Werengani zambiri "
Meleti ndi Chet, ndithokoza ndemanga zanu zonse ndipo ndikugwirizana ndi zambiri zomwe munena. Ndikuvomereza ndi mtima wonse kuti Mzimu Woyera ukugwira ntchito kunja kwa tchalitchi cha Katolika. Ndipo ndikukhulupirira kuti Akhristu omwe si Akatolika ali ndi zambiri zoti aziphunzitsa Akatolika wamba za kuphunzira malembo ndikupanga ubale ndi Mulungu. Ndikuvomereza mosavuta kuti tchalitchichi chagwiritsa ntchito mphamvu zake molakwika (osachotsa) Joan waku Arc ndi chitsanzo chodziwika bwino, ndipo lero amalemekezedwa ngati woyera. Chifukwa chake polankhula za ulamuliro, ndikuwona kusiyana kwakukulu pakati pa Mzimu Woyera... Werengani zambiri "
Yesu amalankhula za Atate ake ndi Atate wathu omwe achokera Kumwamba pang'ono m'Baibulo. Amati "ngati mwandiwona Ine mwawonanso Atate", "ngati mukundidziwa munganene bwanji kuti simukuwadziwa Atate"? Baibulo limatiuza ndendende kuti Atate wakumwamba wa Yesu ndi ndani. Mat 1:18 yerekezerani zolemba za Doctor pa Luka 1:35. Mngelo wa Ambuye kapena Mngelo wa Ambuye pa Mat 1:20 sanamasuliridwepo, palibe kufanana kwenikweni kwa Chingerezi. Chifukwa chake ngati mukufuna kugwiritsa ntchito Y kapena J kapena H kapena W kapena V it... Werengani zambiri "
Pokambirana ndi Utatu, nkhani zingapo ziyenera kukambidwa. John 1: 1, m'malingaliro mwanga, ndi ochepa. Funso lalikulu ndi lakuti: Kodi Yesu ayenera kupembedzedwa? Mat 4:10 (ESV): "Pamenepo Yesu adati kwa iye," Choka Satana! Pakuti kwalembedwa, 'Uzipembedza Ambuye Mulungu wako ndipo uzitumikira iye yekha.' ”Chifukwa chake, muli ndi Yesu akuti tizitumikira Mulungu yekha. Anthu osagwirizana ndi Mulungu amati: “Ndiye. Simungalambire kapena kutumikira Yesu. ” Koma kodi malembawa akugwirizana? Nanga bwanji Danieli 7: 13,14? “Ndinaona m'masomphenya a usiku, taonani, ndi mitambo yakumwamba pamenepo... Werengani zambiri "
Mawu oti bambo amatanthauza wopulumutsa moyo. Zoti Yesu amatchedwa bambo wamuyaya sizodabwitsa kwambiri ngati 1 Akor. 15:45 imati:
Koteronso kwalembedwa, 'Munthu woyamba Adamu anakhala wamoyo'; Adamu wotsiriza adakhala mzimu wopatsa moyo. MZIMU WOPatsa MOYO.
Yesu ndi Mfumu-mkhalapakati wathu wamkulu kapena Wamphamvuyonse. Mkhalapakati wamkulu pakati pamagulu awiri, munthu yemwe amapemphera ndipo MULUNGU amapemphera kudzera mwa Yesu.
kukonda
Maria ?
Lingaliro limodzi lomwe Yesu ndi wopereka moyo ndi chakuti Dipo limapatsa anthu zomwe Adamu adalephera kupatsira mbadwa zake. Adamu anali tate waanthu onse, koma adadutsa moyo wopanda ungwiro wokhala ndi chotulukapo cha imfa. Yesu adapitilira mwayi wotenga zomwe Adamu adasokoneza. Mwanjira imeneyi, iye angatchulidwe kuti Atate Wamuyaya. Ngakhale kubwezeretsedwa kumakhala kokwanira, Yesu adzakhala kwamuyaya wopereka moyo kwa mtundu wa anthu.
@Cheti
Munamvetsetsa, zomwe ndimayesera kunena. Yesu ndi bambo wathu wamuyaya, koma si ABBA yathu. Ndimakhulupirira Mulungu wathu ndi Yesu Mwana wa Mulungu.
Yesu adati sangachite kalikonse asakuwona koyamba kuchokera kwa Atate wake.
Asanamwalire anapemphera misozi kwa Atate wake ndipo analimbikitsidwa ndi mngelo.
Jozue apanga Aisraele: bveserani Mulungu wanu mbodzi.
Achikunja amakhulupirira za utatu, monga mbira.
Maria ?
Wawa Chet. Ndemanga yabwino. Ndiroleni ine ndikuwonetseni mkhalidwe wofunikira wa Yesu. Yesu (Mawu) ndi atate wosatha. Monga Mwana wa Mulungu, adapeza mkhalidwe wapadera wa Atate Ake - Ali ndi moyo mwa iye yekha! Chifukwa chake Iye ndiwamuyaya, chifukwa chake akhoza kupereka moyo. "Indetu, indetu, ndinena kwa inu, kuti ikudza nthawi, ndipo ilipo tsopano, imene akufa adzamva mawu a Mwana wa Mulungu, ndi iwo amene akumva adzakhala ndi moyo. Pakuti monga Atate ali ndi moyo mwa Iye yekha, momwemonso anapatsa kwa Mwana kukhala ndi moyo... Werengani zambiri "
Ndikuyamikira malingaliro anu pankhaniyi. Komabe, tisiya njira yovotera.
Zikomo, ndikuchoka_bata. Ndimawerenga mavesi atatuwa omwe onse amatchulanso za Yesu. (Agal 1: 1; Aef 6:23; Afil 2:11) Maganizo osangalatsa adadza kwa ine monga chotulukapo. Chifukwa chiyani Paulo ndi olemba Baibulo ena sakananena kuti "Mulungu mwana", kapena "mulungu wathu, Yesu Khristu" m'malo mwa Ambuye wathu Yesu Khristu? Ndikutanthauza, ndi njira yabwino bwanji yofotokozera chowonadi ngati Yesu amamuwona ngati Mulungu wofanana ndi Yehova, bwanji osangotiuza? Sanali kubisa chowonadi, koma anali onyamula kuwala.
Inde, Eric, ndaganiziranso zomwezi. Awa mwina ndili m'malingaliro mwanga, nthawi zonse ndimamva kuti "Mulungu Atate" gawo la Utatu. MChigiriki amawerenga Mulungu Atate (Theos Patros) popanda cholembera chotsimikizika. Sindikudziwa chilankhulo chachi Greek bwino, koma zikuwoneka kuti ndiyenera kuti Theou ho Patros kapena a Theou Patros, koma ho palibe poti amapezeka kumeneko. Zitha kutanthauziridwa motere "Atate, Mulungu" kapena Atate Mulungu yekha. Mwina, monga ndidanenera, sindikudziwa kuti Chigriki tidzakwanira kumalingaliro ambiri pano ayi. Inenso... Werengani zambiri "
Ndikuganiza kuti imeneyi ndi mfundo yabwino kwambiri. Pali buku lotchedwa When Jesus Be God God, lomwe limafotokoza mbiri yamakhonsolo ampingo zosiyanasiyana zomwe zidapita mobwerezabwereza pankhaniyi. Palibe chomwe chidadulidwa komanso chowuma za izi ndipo padagawanika pakati pa Mpingo waku Eastern ndi Western pankhaniyi. Utatu wa chiphunzitso cha Utatu, momwe zinadzakhazikidwira, inali nkhani yandale. Anthu adachotsedwa mu gulu limodzi, kenako nkulandilidwa ndi gulu lina ndikuyitanidwa kuti apite nawo mgonero. Izi zinali zandale pamlingo wa Tchalitchi, komanso ndale ku boma... Werengani zambiri "
Amachita izi chifukwa cha zomwe adachita ku Trinité ndikuchita bwino pakati pa YHWH ndi mwana wawo. Néanmoins je voudrais rappeler les paroles de Jean 20: 27-28 [27] Puis il dit à Thomas: Avance ici ton doigt, et tione ma ma mains; avance aussi ta main, et mets-la dans mon côté; Et ne sois pas incrédule, mais crois. [28] Thomas lui répondit: Mon Seigneur et mon Dieu! "Thomas appelle Christ" mon Dieu ”Ce verset n'est pas là pour appuyer la Trinité mais… pa nkhani yofunika kwambiri ya Christ de Dieu. Si quelqu'un ndi un... Werengani zambiri "
Wawa Nicole. Ndiyesetsa kufotokoza izi ndi Tomasi ndi Yesu momwe ndimamvera. Thomas ———- Kukayikira kwa Tomas kunali kwamphamvu kwambiri. Mpaka pomwe sanakhulupirire aliyense wa atumwi, omwe adayenda ndi Yesu kwa zaka 3.5! Koma nayenso sanakhulupirire Yesu, anawona kuti kuuka kwake sikungatheke (Yohane 20:25). Ndiponsotu, Yesu anali munthu. Ndipo tsopano anali atamwalira. Ndipo mwadzidzidzi, Yesu anaimirira pamaso pake ndi mabala ake. Ziyenera kuti zidadabwitsa Thomas, yemwe amakhulupirira motsimikiza kuti sizingatheke. Anazindikira kuti Yesu sangatero... Werengani zambiri "
Ndimakonda.
"Yehova ndi Yesu" ndimagulu onse omwe ndimamva kuponyedwa mozungulira ndi iwo omwe akhala pampanda, alandila quinella koma osati trifecta. Mphamvu Yogwira Ntchito ya Mulungu, yomwe mwanjira iliyonse aliyense wazindikira ngati NWT idalemba ngati Mphamvu ya Yehova paliponse mu Bukhu lawo? Ine sindinayambe ndaziwonapo izo zitalembedwa chotero. Payenera kukhala nkhani zina zalamulo pazifukwa zomwe sangadzipangire okha malowa mwina akadakhala atazichita kalekale. 1 ndi 1 panga 1 = 3. Kuti tiwone bwino, tinene kuti tinali ndi Amulungu awiri amphamvu... Werengani zambiri "
Ndiyambe ndiyambe kuthokoza Eric ndi James chifukwa chofalitsa nkhaniyi. Ndi nkhani yomwe yakhala ikufunika kumveketsa kwanthawi yayitali, ndipo ndikuona kuti nonse nonse mwachita ntchito yabwino kuti mumvetsetse. Ndikufunanso kuthokoza kuti nonse mukumakhala zitsanzo za anthu omwe apita pamavuto ena omwe a JWs angadye, ndipo mutuluke mu Chikhulupiriro chanu Chachikhristu. Nditadziwikiratu kuti sindingathenso kuchita nawo zinthu za pa JW, ndinakhala nthawi yayitali... Werengani zambiri "
Zikomo, Chet. Ndasangalala kwambiri kuwerenga ndemanga zanu.
Kungowerenga apa, ndiyenera kuvomereza kuti ndaseka kangapo ndikuwerenga ndemanga komanso nkhaniyo. Nayi gulu la a JW ndi omwe kale anali a JW omwe akhala okhazikika molimba motsutsana ndi Utatu, tsopano mukuganiza kuti zotsatira za mutuwu ndi ziti? Kuchokera pazomwe ndikuwona, 99.9% a omwe kale anali a JW mukugwiritsabe ntchito NWT. Ichi ndi chinthu china choseketsa chomwe ndingachifanizire kukhala chofanana ndikugwiritsa ntchito kabukhu kakang'ono ka Sears ndi Roebuck (komwe sikabizinesi komanso kopanda phindu pokhapokha mutataya pepala lakachimbudzi) kukagula ku Wal-Mart. Masalimo,... Werengani zambiri "
Palibe nkhani yomwe yakhala ikugwedeza umodzi wa Akhristu ngati Utatu! Ambiri ataya maola ochulukirapo akuyesera kutsimikizira ena kuti mbali imodzi kapena ina ndi yolondola kuyambira zaka za zana lachitatu. Yakhala "yopanga malonda" kwa ambiri, ndipo amakhulupirira (ngakhale sangathe kufotokoza izi kuchokera m'malemba) ndi Akhristu ambiri masiku ano. Wina ayenera kufunsa kuti ndani angafune kuti izi zichitike, ndani amapindula ndi Yehova kapena Satana yemwe? Ndine wamalingaliro osavuta, sindilowanso mumikanganoyi, makamaka muutumiki, yokhudza Utatu. Koma ndimapeza mutuwo... Werengani zambiri "
Eric Ndimawona kulumikizana komwe Jim amapanga ndi Miyambo chaputala 8 chokhudza nzeru ndi Yesu kukhala chosasunthika ngati sizosokoneza pang'ono. Ngati Miyambo chaputala 8 sichimatanthauza kuti nzeru ndiyotani ndipo ndi umunthu ndiye munthu angathetse bwanji zomwe mwambi umanena za nzeru zokhala mwanzeru kapena mochenjera kuchipinda chokhacho Miyambo chaputala 8:12. Kapena bwanji; olungama, aulesi, opusa, onyada, kapena opusa ndi zina zotero. Kodi tinganene kuti nawonso sakhala mikhalidwe koma m'malo mwake... Werengani zambiri "
Kumvetsetsa komwe ndili nako ndikutanthauzira motero ndikuvomereza momasuka kuti mwina kungakhale kolakwika. Komabe, popeza kuti Mabaibulo ena samamasulira Afilipi 2: 5-8 monga momwe amachitira ndi New World Translation siumboni. Kumbukirani, kuti matembenuzidwe onsewa adalembedwa ndi Okhulupirira Utatu. Ndimeyi ikudetsa nkhawa kwambiri zaumulungu wawo ndipo ndi chitsanzo chabwino cha kukhulupirira Utatu. Pali kuwunikiridwa bwino kwa ndimeyi ya Jason David DeBuhn mu Choonadi ndi Kutanthauzira. Ngati mukufuna kulowa mu galamala, mupeza kuti malingaliro ake ndiabwino. Mgiriki... Werengani zambiri "
Kusanthula malembawo kungakhale kosangalatsa komanso kophunzitsa. Panthawi imodzimodziyo, sindikhulupirira kuti ithetsa mavuto azipembedzo kapena sikukhudza chiyembekezo chanu chodzakhala ndi moyo wosatha. Monga momwe ndikuonera, palibe m'modzi wa Atumwi omwe adaphunzira malembawo omwe sanathe kukhala alembi kapena aphunzitsi a zamalamulo. Panalibe malembo aliwonse omwe akanapezeka kwa anthu wamba. Ndipo malembo omwe adalipo, ndani angawone ngati anali olondola? Chidziwitso chonse chomwe anali nacho chimamveka pakachisi kapena kufotokozedwa ndi ena. Wachifwamba uja wopachikika... Werengani zambiri "
Kumveka pomaliza…!
Ndikuvomerezana kwathunthu ndi Eric ndi Mr. Penton popeza ndikhulupilira kuti Yesu ndi Mulungu - koma zikuwonekeratu kuti panali ena mwa atumwi omwe adakhulupiliranso. Sitingakayikire kuti Yesu ndi mulungu. Zimatengera mulungu kuti aukitse akufa, kuchiritsa odwala, kuchiritsa opunduka ndi zina zotero. Ndipo poyang'anitsitsa, mwachidziwikire tiyenera kudziwa kuti Yesu ndi waumulungu (sankafuna kunena ngati wotsutsa). Wina mwina atha kunena kuti ndiye mulungu wathu pakadali pano, mpaka nthawi yomwe abwezera ulamuliro wake... Werengani zambiri "
Panali nthawi zina ngakhale atumwi sanathe kuchita zozizwitsa zenizeni ndikupempha Yesu. Koma palibe mtumwi aliyense amene anali ndi maudindo monga akufotokozera mu Yesaya 9… Yesu yekha! Kuphatikizapo za "Mulungu Wamphamvu." Yesu anatchula za Salmo 82 pamene akuimbidwa mlandu. Chifukwa chake "mulungu" ndiwofanizira pamitundu yosiyanasiyana. Mphamvu yochitira zozizwitsa SIINAPANGITSA atumwi kukhala amulungu! Yesu ndi waumulungu, ngakhale kuti si Wamphamvuyonse. Chifukwa chake, malingaliro anu, poyankha lingaliro langa ndiwosokoneza. Monga momwe zikukhudzira funso lanu lomaliza, lomwe liri lovuta (pamene mukutsimikiza kuti malembo sakhala chete),... Werengani zambiri "
Lingaliro lomaliza. Sindikupempha kuti mukugwirizana ndi malingaliro anga, kapena ndikukhulupirira kuti ena sayembekezera ine. Izi zikuyenera kukhala zokambirana / kukambirana mwachidule podzigwirizanitsanso tokha pakuvumbulutsa chowonadi cha malembo. Pomaliza, ife timakhulupilira ziphunzitso zoyambirira komanso zoyambirira za m'malembo. Palibe aliyense, kuchokera pa zomwe ndakumana nazo, angavomereze pa lingaliro lililonse, ndipo palibe aliyense wa ife amene angakhale ndi lingaliro lililonse la m'Malemba lolondola, kuwopa kuti tidzipatsa tokha ulemu kuposa kwa Atate. Izi zikunenedwa, titha... Werengani zambiri "
Ndili ndi zovuta zingapo ndi chimango cha zokambirana zotsatirazi; Ndikuganiza kuti zomwe zanenedwa ndizovuta pazifukwa zotsatirazi: 1. Mukuti; 'kufotokoza momveka bwino m'Baibulo ndi chinthu china, pomwe kutanthauzira kwa anthu ndichinthu china'. Awa ndi malingaliro omvera molawirira kwambiri kuti mupereke umboni woti mulandire mlandu womwe mukufuna kuteteza. Kuwerenga Baibulo ndimachitidwe 'otanthauzira' owerenga onse a baibulo. Zomwe zimawoneka ngati 'mawu omveka' kwa munthu wina zitha kukhala zokangana kwa wina. Chifukwa chake tidikire mpaka "fumbi litakhazikika" kenako aliyense adzisankhira yekha... Werengani zambiri "
Moni, malingaliro anga ndikuti Yesu sanakhaleko asanakhale munthu. Sindiwo 'mawu' omwe atchulidwa pa Yohane 1: 1, Afilipi, Miyambo, Akolosi ndi malembo ena ochepa atha kutsimikizika osazindikira kuti Yesu anali cholengedwa chisanakhale munthu. Ndipo polingalira lemba lachiyankhulo lidalembedwa mu (Chi Greek) ndi ziganizo za Chihebri zomwe zinali zofala panthawiyo vuto silimabwera chifukwa chonena kuti ndi Mulungu. Kuteteza Yesu ngati mulungu ndikutsetsereka kwa Utatu. Ndikuganiza kuti ndi nthano yabodza kuganiza za Utatu kapena lingaliro loti Mulungu ndi Yesu... Werengani zambiri "
@ Alithia Chabwino muyenera kuti muwerenge: Yohane 17: 1-11 (ESV): 17 Yesu atalankhula mawu awa, anakweza maso ake kumwamba, ndipo anati, "Atate, nthawi yafika; lemekezani Mwana wanu kuti Mwana akulemekezeni, 2 popeza mwampatsa Iye ulamuliro pa anthu onse, kuti onse amene inu mwam'patsa Iye akhale ndi moyo wosatha. 3 Ndipo moyo wosatha ndi uwu, kuti akudziwa inu, Mulungu yekha wowona, ndi Yesu Khristu amene mudawatuma. 4 Ndidakulemekezani padziko lapansi, popeza ndidakwaniritsa ntchito yomwe mudandipatsa kuti ndichite. BWINO:... Werengani zambiri "
Wokondedwa mlongo Maria Ndikufuna ndikuuzeni za Yohane 17 amene mumamunena ndikuyang'ana pa vesi 3, zikanatchula kuti Yesu ndiye amene 'anatumidwa'. Sizitchulanso kuti Yesu adachokera kumwamba, koma kuti ndi "kumwamba wotumidwa" kapena kutumizidwa kwake kumachokera kumwamba. Uku ndiye kusiyana kwakukulu, ndipo sitiyenera kuwerengera zoposa zomwe akunena apa. Apa ndikufuna kuti muwerenge Marko chaputala 11:13 pomwe Yesu amakambirana ndi atsogoleri achipembedzo ndipo adawafunsa funso lonyenga;... Werengani zambiri "
Zikomo yankho lanu.
Maria ?
Alithia, ndimayenera kuwerenga kuti ndikudzitchinjirize malinga ndi Yohane 17: 5 kangapo kuti ndione malingaliro anu. Ndizovuta kumvetsetsa. Ngakhale nditawerenga kawiri, ndikuvutika kuti ndiwone. Ndimakonda kutsatira zomwe zanenedwa momveka bwino bola zitasunga mgwirizano wamalemba, zomwe zimamveka bwino pa Yohane 17: 5. Zimagwirizana ndi Afilipi 2: 5-9 mwachitsanzo. Pali malembo ambiri omwe amachirikiza chikhulupiriro chakuti Yesu adatsika kuchokera kumwamba kudzanyalanyaza chiphunzitsochi mokomera kukhalapo kwanthawi yayitali. ndikutsimikiza... Werengani zambiri "
Lingaliro la 'Unitarian' ndiloti Yesu anabweradi mthupi. Ndipo makamaka popeza adabwera monga munthu. Sipangakhale zowonetsa zowona za kubwera kwa Yesu mthupi kuposa momwe zingakhalire pamenepo?
Ndimaganiza kuti ndiyenera kuyika kunja uko koma zilola tsopano kuti zikhazikike pamfundo za Utatu komanso chifukwa chomwe ena akuona kuti zikugwirizana ndi chiphunzitsochi. Ndikuyembekezera kuiwononga.
Tithokoze chifukwa cha yankho.
Kukonda onse ochokera ku Alithia
Mwana akabadwa, sitikunena kuti mwana adabwera m'thupi. Ndi mawu opanda tanthauzo. Kubwera kumatanthauza kubwera kuchokera kwina. Popanda kukhalako, mawuwa alibe tanthauzo.
Moni Alithia, ndikumasulira kwabwino kwa Yohane 17: 5.
Ndili ndi zambiri zonena pamutuwu ndipo ndilemba ndikadzakwanitsa. Tsopano ndimangofuna kukuwonetsani chithandizo. 🙂 Osati kuti ndikutsutsana ndi wina aliyense ndipo sindingalemekeze malingaliro ena koma nawonso ndi malingaliro anga.
Moni Nightingale, ndikuganiza kuti aliyense akhoza kudziweruza yekha, poyerekeza ndemanga zanga, mayankho omwe ndalandira, kuti ndiwone kudzipereka kosakhazikika pamalingaliro omwe sali ovomerezeka mwamalemba. Kutsutsa kumodzi ndi mfundo 'zotsimikizika' kuti zithandizire malingaliro a Unitarian. Komabe ndimawona zambiri 'zotsutsana' kuti zitsimikizire malingaliro a henotheistic.
“Mawu,” (kapena Grk Logos) amatchulidwa pano (mu Yohane 1: 1)… zomwe zili zosangalatsa, popeza pali zochuluka zogwiritsa ntchito m'mabuku a Chipangano Chakale ndi Chipangano Chatsopano popanda kulembedwa. Logos lit amatanthauza "pulani ya Mulungu," kapena "chifuniro cha Mulungu." Ndikukhulupirira kuti mwina mtumwi Yohane ("ngati" adalemba mawu awa - akatswiri ambiri aku bible akukayikira kulondola kwa mbiriyakale ya Yohane), kuti Yohane anali kugwiritsa ntchito "Mawu" ngati munthu, monga "nzeru" imagwiritsidwira ntchito mu Prov 8. Dongosolo NDI Mulungu, kapena chifuniro Chake (munkhani iyi) kuti Abweretse Mesiya (momwe Logos kapena "Mawu" -... Werengani zambiri "
“Mawu,” (kapena Grk Logos) amawerengedwa pano (mu Yohane 1: 1)… zomwe ndizosangalatsa, popeza pali zochulukirapo zambiri zomwe zimagwiritsa ntchito zolembedwa za OT ndi NT popanda ndalama. Logos lit amatanthauza "pulani ya Mulungu," kapena "chifuniro cha Mulungu." Ndikukhulupirira kuti mwina mtumwi Yohane ("ngati" adalemba mawu awa - akatswiri ambiri aku bible akukayikira kulondola kwa mbiriyakale ya Yohane), kuti Yohane anali kugwiritsa ntchito "Mawu" ngati munthu, monga "nzeru" imagwiritsidwira ntchito mu Prov 22. Monga momwe munthu anganene kuti, "Mulungu ndiye Nzeru," amatha kunena kuti "Mulungu ndiye chikonzero, kapena akufuna" - pazonse zomwe Mulungu amachita... Werengani zambiri "
Kukonza: Nzeru yotchulidwa monga Yesu munthawi ya akazi ndi Miyambo chaputala 8. . .osati chaputala 22
ZOONA? Mudandipatsa "negative" (pamwambapa) pakuwongolera? Zosatheka.
Bwerani ku Rusticshore, muyenera kuvomereza kuti anthu amawerenga zinthu zanu osachepera! Nthawi zambiri sindimadziwa ngati wina amakhala masekondi ochepa akuwerenga zolemba zanga. Ine ndasangalala nazo zolemba zanu. Ndimakonda malire a zonsezi. Koma musaiwale kuti aliyense amamva momwe ine ndimamvera. Pitilizani kutumiza m'bale. Muyenera kutenga zinthu ndi uzitsine wa mchere apa makamaka pamutuwu chifukwa zimawoneka zotentha msanga! Ndidzatengera 'zoyipa' m'malo modula mutu kapena kuwotcha pamtengo zilizonse... Werengani zambiri "
Sindikukhulupirira kuti Yesu ndi, kapena anali mngelo. Sindikukhulupirira kuti Yesu ndiye "Mngelo wa Ambuye" wotchulidwa, mwachitsanzo, mu Oweruza. Yesu asanakhaleko ndi mutu wina wokhala ndi zokambirana zazitali. mtendere
Monga tanenera, buku la Yohane nthawi zonse limafotokoza za Yesu akudziyesa yekha ngati munthu woti tingamuyang'anire. Siyanitsani izi ndi Mauthenga Abwino, omwe makamaka amatchula Yesu akuwuza anthu za Atate. Kuphatikiza apo, pali mitundu yambiri yazovuta, ndipo ikupitilizabe kupezedwa kudzera mu kalata ya John (mwina moreso kuposa average). Zachidziwikire, mitundu yaying'ono komanso yaying'ono imapezeka m'mabuku onse - inde John ali ndi gawo lalikulu! Ndipo izi sizolumikizidwa ndi zolakwika zapakhomo za homeoteleuton kapena illustpsis… koma kusokoneza mwadala! Monga momwe zimakhudzira kulembedwa kwa Yohane... Werengani zambiri "
Wokondedwa Jim ndi Eric,
Zikomo, chifukwa cha kanema, ndizothandiza komanso zothandiza kumvetsetsa chiphunzitso cha Utatu. Masiku angapo apitawa ndimakambirana ndi bambo m'modzi za chiphunzitso cha Utatu ndipo vidiyo yanu ikhala yothandiza kukambirana zamtsogolo. Ndikuyembekezera makanema anu ena.