Pese pandichaburitsa vhidhiyo yeTiriniti - ino ichave yechina - ndinowana vanhu vachitaura kuti handisi kunyatsonzwisisa dzidziso yeUtatu. Vakarurama. handizvinzwisise. Asi hechino chinhu: Pose apo mumwe munhu akataura kudaro kwandiri, ndakavakumbira kuti vanditsanangurire. Kana ndisinganyatsozvinzwisisa, wobva wandirondedzera, chidimbu nechidimbu. Ndiri munhu ane njere, saka ndinofunga kuti ndikatsanangurirwa, ndinogona kuzviwana.
Ndeipi mhinduro yandinowana kubva kune ava vanodavira Utatu? Ndinowana zvinyorwa zvekare zvakaneta zvehumbowo izvo zvandakaona kwemakumi emakore. Hapana chitsva chandinowana. Uye apo ndinonongedzera kusapindirana mukurangarira kwavo uye kusatsinhirana kworugwaro pakati pamagwaro avo oufakazi norutivi rwose rwasara rwoRugwaro, ndinowanazve mhinduro inonyomba: “Hamutongonzwisisi Utatu.”
Hechino chinhu: Ini handifanire kuzvinzwisisa. Chandinongoda humwe humbowo hwechokwadi hwekuti huriko. Pane zvinhu zvakawanda zvandisinganzwisisi, asi hazvirevi kuti ndinokahadzika kuvapo kwazvo. Semuenzaniso, handinzwisise kuti masaisai eredhiyo anoshanda sei. Hapana anoita. Kwete saizvozvo. Asi, pese pandinoshandisa foni yangu, ndinoratidza kuti variko.
Ini ndaizopikisa zvimwe chete nezvaMwari. Ndinoona uchapupu hwokugadzira kwakachenjera muchisiko chakandipoteredza ( VaRoma 1:20 ). Ndinozviona muDNA yangu. Ini ndiri mugadziri wemakombuta nebasa. Pandinoona purogiramu yepurogiramu yepakombiyuta, ndinoziva kuti mumwe munhu akainyora, nokuti inomiririra mashoko, uye mashoko anobva mupfungwa. DNA ine kodhi yakanyanya kuoma kupfuura chero chinhu chandakambonyora, kana kunyora, nekuda kwechinhu ichocho. Rine ruzivo runoraira sero rimwe chete kuti riwande nenzira chaiyo kuitira kuti rigadzire munhu ane makemikari uye maumbirwo akaomarara. Ruzivo runogara runobva mundangariro, kubva kune hungwaru hune chinangwa kuziva
Dai ndaizomhara paMars ndowana mazwi akavezwa mudombo achiverenga, "Welcome to our world, Earthman." Ndaizoziva kuti pabasa paive nehungwaru, kwete zvekungoerekana zvaitika.
Zvandiri kutaura ndezvekuti handifanire kunzwisisa zvakaita Mwari kuti ndizive kuti ariko. Ndinogona kuratidza kuvapo kwake kubva kune humbowo hwakandikomberedza, asi handikwanise kunzwisisa hunhu hwake kubva paumboo ihwohwo. Kunyange zvazvo kusikwa kuchindiratidza kuvapo kwamwari, hazviratidzi kuti iye munhu ari matatu-mu-mumwe. Nekuda kwaizvozvo ndinoda humbowo husingawanikwe mune zvakasikwa. Manyuko bedzi oufakazi hwakadaro iBhaibheri. Mwari anoratidza chimwe chinhu chezvaari kuburikidza neshoko rake rakafemerwa.
Mwari anozvizivisa amene soUtatu here? Anotipa zita rake kanenge ka7,000 XNUMX. Mumwe angatarisira kuti ataurewo hunhu hwake, asi izwi rekuti Tiriniti, iro rinobva muchiLatin trinitas (vatatu) hapana papi panowanikwa muMagwaro.
Jehovha Mwari, kana kuti Yahweh kana uchida, akasarudza kuzvizivisa uye akaita izvozvo mumapeji eBhaibheri, asi zvakazarurwa izvozvo zvinoshanda sei? Zvinouya sei kwatiri? Yakanyorwa here muMagwaro? Mativi ohunhu hwake akavigwa muzvinyorwa zvitsvene here, achimirira ndangariro shomanene dzakangwara nedzine ropafadzo kuti dzinzwisise bumbiro rakavanzika? Kana kuti, Mwari vakangosarudza kuzvitaura sezvazviri here?
Kana Wokumusorosoro, Musiki wezvinhu zvose, akasarudza kuzvizivisa amene kwatiri, kutizivisa chimiro chake chimene kwatiri, ipapoka hatifaniri here kuva tose tiri papeji imwe cheteyo? Tose hatifanire kunzwisisa kumwe chete here?
Aiwa, hatifanire kudaro. Sei ndichidaro? Nokuti hazvisi izvo zvinodiwa naMwari. Jesu anotsanangura kuti:
“Panguva iyoyo Jesu akati: “Ndinokurumbidzai, Baba, Ishe wedenga nenyika, nokuti makavanzira zvinhu izvi vakachenjera nevakadzidza, mukazvizarurira kuvana vaduku. Hongu, Baba, nekuti izvi zvakava zvakanaka pamberi penyu.
Zvinhu zvose zvakakumikidzwa kwandiri naBaba vangu. Hakuna anoziva Mwanakomana kunze kwaBaba, uye hakuna anoziva Baba kunze kwoMwanakomana na kune avo Mwanakomana anosarudza kuMuzarurira.” ( Mateo 11:25-27 BSB).
“Avo Mwanakomana anosarudza kumuzarurira.” Maererano nendima iyi, Mwanakomana haasarudzi vakachenjera uye vakadzidza. Vadzidzi vake pavakabvunza kuti nei akaita izvozvo akavaudza nenzira isina chokwadi:
“Kuziva zvakavanzika zvoumambo hwokudenga kwakapiwa kwamuri, asi kwete kwavari… Ndokusaka ndichitaura kwavari nemifananidzo.” ( Mateu 13:11,13, XNUMX )
Kana mumwe munhu achifunga kuti akachenjera uye akadzidza, akangwara uye ane ruzivo, anokosha uye ane maonero, uye kuti zvipo izvi zvinomupa kukwanisa kujekesa zvinhu zvakadzika zvaMwari kune isu tose, kunyange chimiro chechokwadi chaMwari, saka ari kuzvinyengera.
Hatizivi Mwari. Mwari anozvizivisa pachena, kana kuti, Mwanakomana waMwari anoratidza Baba kwatiri, asi haazviratidzi kuna vose, asi kuna vakasanangurwa chete. Izvi zvinokosha uye tinofanira kufunga kuti Baba vedu vari kutsvaka unhu hupi kune vavanosarudza kuva vana vavo vokurera. Ari kutsvaga kugona kwenjere here? Zvakadini nevaya vanozvikurudzira vamene sevane nzwisiso chaiyo yeshoko raMwari, kana kuti vanozvizivisa vamene somukoto waMwari wekurukurirano? Pauro anotiudza izvo Mwari ari kutsvaga:
“Uye tinoziva kuti Mwari anoshanda zvinhu zvose pamwe chete kuti zvive zvakanaka yevaya vanomuda, vakadanwa maererano nechinangwa chake” ( VaRoma 8:28 , BSB).
Rudo irwonzi runoruka shure nekudzoka kubatanidza ruzivo rwose kuva ruzere. Pasina iwo, hatigoni kuwana mudzimu waMwari, uye pasina mudzimu iwoyo, hatigoni kusvika kuzvokwadi. Baba vedu vokudenga vanotisarudza nokuti vanotida uye tinovada.
Johane anonyora kuti:
“Tarirai kukura kworudo rwatakaitirwa naBaba, kuti tinzi vana vaMwari. Uye ndizvo zvatiri!” ( 1 Johani 3:1 BBS )
“Ani naani aona Ini aona Baba. Ungareva sei kuti, ‘Tiratidzei Baba’? Hautendi here kuti ini ndiri muna Baba naBaba vari mandiri? Mashoko andinotaura kwamuri, handiatauri pachangu. Asi, ndiBaba vanogara mandiri, vachiita mabasa avo. Nditendei kuti ndiri muna Baba uye Baba vari mandiri—kana kuti mutende nokuda kwamabasa amene.” (Johani 14:9-11 BSB)
Kunobvira sei kuti Mwari ataure zvokwadi mukutaura kwakapfava kwakadaro nokunyora kwakapfava uko vana vake vokurera vanogona kunzwisisa, asi izvo iye anovanza kune avo vanozvifunga vamene kuva vakachenjera navakangwara? Nokuti zvamazvirokwazvo vakachenjera kana vakangwara, nokubvuma kwaJesu pachake muna Mateo 11:25 , havagoni kunzwisisa zvinoreva kubatana kana rudo pakati paBaba, Mwanakomana, nevakasarudzwa kuburikidza nomudzimu mutsvene nokuti pfungwa dzepfungwa dzinotsvaka kuoma kunzwisisa. kuitira kuti igozvitsaura kubva kuvanhuwo zvavo. Seizvo Johane 17:21-26 inoti:
“Handikumbiriri ivo bedzi, asi naivo vachatenda kwandiri neshoko ravo, kuti vose vave vamwe, semwi Baba muri mandiri, neni ndiri mamuri. Ngavavewo matiri. kuitira kuti nyika igotenda kuti makandituma. Ndakavapa kubwinya kwamakandipa, kuti vave vamwe sesu tiri vamwe. Ini mavari uye imi muri mandiri, kuti vauyiswe pahumwe hwakakwana. Ipapo nyika ichaziva kuti makandituma uye makavada sezvamakandida ini.
“Baba, ndinoda kuti vaya vamakandipa vave neni pandinenge ndiri, uye kuti vaone kubwinya kwangu, iko kubwinya kwamakandipa nokuti makandida nyika isati yasikwa.
“Baba vakarurama, kunyange nyika isingakuziviyi, ini ndinokuzivai, uye ivo vanoziva kuti makandituma. Ndakaita kuti muzivikanwe kwavari, uye ndicharamba ndichiita kuti muzivikanwe, kuti rudo rwamunarwo kwandiri ruve mavari uye kuti ini ndive mavari.” (Johani 17: 21-26 BSB)
Humwe uhwo Jesu anahwo naMwari hwakavakirwa pakubatana kunobva murudo. Uhu ndihwo humwe humwe chete naMwari naKristu hunowanikwa nevaKristu. Unozoona kuti mudzimu mutsvene haubatanidzwi muhumwe uhwu. Tinotarisirwa kuti tide Baba, uye tinotarisirwa kuda Mwanakomana, uye tinotarisirwa kuti tidanane; uye kupfuura izvozvo, tinoda kuda Baba, kuda mwanakomana, uye kuda hama nehanzvadzi dzedu. Asi murayiro wokuda mudzimu mutsvene uri kupi? Zvamazvirokwazvo, kudai akanga ari munhu wechitatu woUtatu hutsvene, murairo wakadaro waizova nyore kuwana!
Jesu anotsanangura kuti Mweya wechokwadi ndiwo unotifambisa:
Ndichine zvizhinji zvokutaura kwamuri, asi hamugoni kuzvinzwisisa nazvino. Zvisinei, kana Mweya wechokwadi auya, achakutungamirirai muchokwadi chose. Nokuti haazotauri zvake, asi achataura zvaanonzwa, uye achakuzivisai zvinouya.” ( Johani 16:12, 13 )
Nenzira yomuzvarirwo, kana uchidavira kuti dzidziso yoUtatu inorondedzera zvakaita Mwari, ipapo unoda kudavira kuti mudzimu wakakutungamirira kuzvokwadi iyoyo, handiti? Zvekare, kana tikaedza kuzviitira isu pachedu zvinhu zvakadzika zvaMwari zvichibva pamafungiro edu, zvino tinozozvikanganisa nguva dzese. Tinoda mudzimu kuti utitungamirire. Pauro akatiudza kuti:
“Asi Mwari akazviratidza kwatiri isu noMweya wake. Nokuti Mweya wake unonzvera zvinhu zvose uye unotiratidza zvakavanzika zvakadzika zvaMwari. Hakuna munhu angaziva ndangariro dzomunhu kunze kwomudzimu womunhu, uye hakuna munhu angaziva ndangariro dzaMwari kunze kwomudzimu waMwari. ( 1 VaKorinte 2:10,11, XNUMX ) New Living Translation.
Handidaviri kuti dzidziso yoUtatu inotsanangura zvakaita Mwari, kana kuti ukama hwake noMwanakomana wake, Jesu Kristu. Ndinotendawo kuti mweya wakanditungamirira kuti ndinzwisise izvozvo. Anodavira Utatu achataura zvimwe chetezvo pamusoro pokunzwisisa kwake hunhu hwaMwari. Tose hatigoni kuva vakarurama, tingagona here? Mudzimu mumwe chetewo hauna kutitungamirira tose kumigumo yakasiyana. Pane chokwadi chimwe chete, kunyangwe paine nhema dzakawanda. Pauro anoyeuchidza vana vaMwari:
“Ndinokukumbirai zvikuru, hama dzangu, nezita raShe wedu Jesu Kristu, kuti imi mose mutaure mumwe nomumwe mutaure, uye parege kuva nokupesana pakati penyu; asi kuti munyatsobatana mupfungwa nomukufunga.” ( 1 VaKorinde 1:10 )
Ngationgororei nhaurirano yaPauro yekubatana kwepfungwa nekufunga zvishoma sezvo riri dingindira remagwaro rakakosha uye naizvozvo rakakosha kuruponeso rwedu. Sei vamwe vanhu vachifunga kuti mumwe nemumwe wedu anogona kunamata Mwari nenzira yake uye nekunzwisisa kwedu, uye pakupedzisira, tose tinozopedzisira tawana mubairo wehupenyu husingaperi?
Nei kunzwisisa zvakaita Mwari kuchikosha? Nei kunzwisisa kwatinoita ukama huri pakati paBaba noMwanakomana kuchikanganisa mikana yedu yokuwana upenyu husingaperi sevana vaMwari pakumutswa kwevakarurama?
Jesu anotiudza kuti: “Zvino uhwu upenyu husingaperi, kuti vakuzivei imi, Mwari uri woga wazvokwadi, naJesu Kristu, wamakatuma.” (Johani 17:3 BSB)
Saka kuziva Mwari kunoreva upenyu. Ko kusaziva Mwari? Kana Utatu iri dzidziso yenhema yakabva mudzidziso yechihedheni uye yakamanikidzira kuroverera pahuro pamaKristu nokuda kwemarwadzo erufu, sezvayakaitwa namambo weRoma Theodosius pashure pa381 CE, ipapo avo vanoigamuchira havazivi Mwari.
Pauro anotiudza kuti:
“Pamusoro paizvozvi, chinhu chakanaka kuti Mwari atsive nenhamo avo vanokutambudzai, uye kuti asunungure imi makadzvinyirirwa nesuwo. Izvi zvichaitika pacharatidzwa Ishe Jesu kubva kudenga ane vatumwa vake vane simba mumurazvo womoto; achitsiva avo vasingazivi Mwari uye hamutereri Evhangeri yaIshe wedu Jesu Kristu. ( 2 VaTesaronika 1:6-8 )
Zvakanaka, zvakanaka. Saka, tose tinogona kubvuma kuti kuziva Mwari kunokosha pakumufadza uye kuti tifarirwe naye izvo zvinotungamirira kuupenyu husingaperi. Asi kana uchidavira Utatu asi ini ndisingadaviri, ikoko hakurevi here kuti mumwe wedu haazivi Mwari? Mumwe wedu ari mungozi yokurasikirwa nomubairo woupenyu husingaperi naJesu muumambo hwokudenga here? Zvingaita sezviri kudaro.
Zvakanaka, ngationgororei. Takaona kuti hatigoni kuziva Mwari nenjere. Kutaura zvazviri, anovanza zvinhu kune vakangwara ozvizivisa kune vakafanana nevana sezvataona pana Mateu 11:25 . Mwari akagamuchira vana uye, sababa vapi navapi vane rudo, anogoverana ushamwari hwapedyo nevana vake hwaasingagoverani navaeni. Takaonawo nzira yaanozivisa nayo zvinhu kuvana vake achishandisa mudzimu mutsvene. Mweya iwoyo unotitungamirira muchokwadi chose. Saka, kana tine Mweya, tine chokwadi. Kana tisina chokwadi, saka hatina Mweya.
Izvi zvinotisvitsa kune zvakataurwa naJesu kumukadzi weSamaria:
“Asi nguva inouya uye yatouya zvino apo vanamati vechokwadi vachanamata Baba mumweya nomuzvokwadi, nokuti Baba vari kutsvaka vakadaro kuti vavanamate. Mwari Mweya, uye vanomunamata vanofanira kumunamata mumweya nomuzvokwadi.” (Johani 4:23, 24 BSB)
Naizvozvo, Jehovha Mwari ari kutsvaka rudzi rwakati rwomunhu, uyo achamunamata mumudzimu nomuzvokwadi. Saka tinofanira kuda chokwadi uye kutungamirirwa nomudzimu waMwari muchokwadi chose chatinotsvaka nomwoyo wose. Kiyi yekuwana zivo iyoyo, chokwadi ichocho, hachisi nenjere dzedu. Kuburikidza nerudo. Kana mwoyo wedu wakazadzwa norudo, mudzimu unogona kutitungamirira. Zvisinei, kana tichisundwa nokudada, mudzimu unodziviswa, kunyange kudziviswa chose chose.
“Ndinonyengetera kuti kubva papfuma yokubwinya kwake akusimbisei nesimba noMweya wake mumunhu womukati, kuti Kristu agare mumwoyo yenyu nokutenda. Uye ndinonyengetera kuti imi, makadzika midzi uye musimbiswe murudo, muve nesimba pamwe chete navatsvene vose, kuti mubate kuti upamhi nokureba nokukwirira nokudzika kworudo rwaKristu sei, uye muzive rudo urwu runopfuura ruzivo. kuti muzadzwe kusvikira pachiyero chokuzara kwose kwaMwari. (VaEfeso 3:16-19)
Izvi zvinomiririra zvakakura; haisi nyaya diki. Kana Utatu huri hwechokwadi, ipapo tinofanira kuhugamuchira kana tichizova pakati paavo vanonamata Baba muMweya nomuzvokwadi uye kana tichizova avo vaanoda noupenyu husingaperi. Asi kana chisiri chokwadi, tinofanira kuchiramba nokuda kwechikonzero chimwe chetecho. Hupenyu hwedu husingagumi hunorembera pachiyero.
Zvatakambotaura, zvinoramba zvichidzokororwa. Kana Utatu chiri chizaruro chinobva kuna Mwari, ipapo humbowo hwacho hunowanikwa muMagwaro. Kana mudzimu wakatungamirira vanhu kuchokwadi uye chokwadi ichocho chiri chokuti Mwari Utatu, saka chatinongoda kuvimba uye kuzvininipisa somwana kuti tione Mwari sezvaari chaizvo, vanhu vatatu muna Mwari mumwe. Nepo pfungwa dzedu dzevanhu dzisina kusimba dzingatadza kubata nzira iyo Mwari wevatatu uyu anogona kuva, izvo zvine mhedzisiro shoma. Zvingave zvakakwana kuti azviratidze kuti ndiMwari akadaro, munhu ane humwari, vatatu-mu-mumwe. Hatifanire kunzwisisa kuti izvi zvinoshanda sei, asi kuti ndizvo chete.
Zvirokwazvo, avo vakatotungamirirwa noMweya waMwari kuzvokwadi iyi zvino vanogona kuitsanangura kwatiri nenzira yakapfava, nenzira iyo vana vaduku vanogona kunzwisisa. Naizvozvo, tisati tatarira ufakazi huri muRugwaro hunoshandiswa kutsigira Utatu, ngatitangei kuhunzvera sezvinorondedzerwa naavo vaizokambira kuva hwakaziviswa kwavari nomudzimu mutsvene waMwari.
Tichatanga neontological Tiriniti.
“Mira kweminiti,” ungadaro. Sei uchiisa chivakashure se "ontological" pamberi pezita rokuti "Tiriniti"? Kana kunongova noutatu mumwe bedzi, nei uchifanira kuhukwanirisa? Zvakanaka, handingadaro, kana paine vatatu vatatu chete, asi chokwadi kune tsananguro dzakawanda. Kana ukada kutarisa kuStanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, unowana “'kugadziridzwazve zvine musoro' kwedzidziso yeTiriniti, iyo inoshandisa pfungwa kubva kumazuva ano analytic metaphysics, logic, and epistemology” se” One-self Theories”, “Three- Mafungiro ega", "Kuzvina, Kwete, uye Indeterminate Self Theories", "Mysterianism", uye "Beyond Coherence". Zvinhu zvose izvi zvinovimbiswa kuunza pfungwa dzevakachenjera uye nenjere mufaro usingagumi. Kana ari mwana, ah, kwete zvakanyanya. Chero zvazvingava, hatizovhiringika nedzidziso dzakawanda idzi. Ngatingorambirai padzidziso huru mbiri: Tiriniti yeontological uye Tiriniti yezveupfumi.
Saka zvakare, tichatanga neOntological Tiriniti.
“Ontology chidzidzo chehuzivi chehunhu hwekuve. “Ontological Trinity” inoreva kuva kana hunhu hwenhengo imwe neimwe yeTiriniti. Muzvakasikwa, hunhu, uye hunhu, Munhu mumwe nemumwe weTiriniti akaenzana. Baba, Mwanakomana, uye Mweya Mutsvene vanogovana huMwari humwechete uye nokudaro vanoumba Utatu hweOntological. Dzidziso yoUtatu hwoumwari inotaura kuti Vanhu vatatu vose voUmwari vakaenzana musimba, mbiri, uchenjeri, zvichingodaro.” (Kwakabva: gotquestions.org)
Chokwadika, ikoko kunoparira chinetso nemhaka yokuti kune nzvimbo dzakawanda kwazvo muBhaibheri umo “simba, mbiri, [uye] uchenjeri” zvomutezo mumwe woUtatu—Mwanakomana—zvinoratidzwa kuva muduku kana kuti akaderera ku“simba, . mbiri, [uye] uchenjeri”, zvomumwe mutezo—Baba (tisingatauri kuti hapana kurudziro ipi neipi yokunamata mudzimu mutsvene).
Mukuedza kugadzirisa izvozvo, tine tsananguro yechipiri: Utatu hwehupfumi.
“Utatu hwoupfumi hunowanzokurukurwa pamwe chete no“Utatu hwoumwari,” shoko rinonongedzera kuchimiro chakaenzana chaVanhu voUtatu. Shoko rokuti “Utatu hwoupfumi” rinonangana nezvinoitwa naMwari; “Ontological Trinity” inotarisa kuti Mwari ndiani. Akatorwa pamwechete, mazwi maviri aya anopa gangaidzo reTiriniti: Baba, Mwanakomana, uye Mweya vanogovana hunhu humwe, asi ivo Vanhu vakasiyana uye vane mabasa akasiyana. Utatu hwakabatana uye hwakasiyana.” (Kwakabva: gotquestions.org)
Zvose izvi zvinoratidzwa segangaidzo. Tsanangudzo yegangaidzo ndeiyi: Chirevo chinoita sechisina musoro kana chinozvipikisa kana chirevo chekuti kana chaferefetwa kana kutsanangurwa chinogona kuratidza kuti chine hwaro kana kuti chokwadi. (Kwakabva: lexico.com)
Nzira bedzi yaunogona kudana nayo nenzira yakarurama dzidziso yoUtatu kuva gangaidzo ndeyokuti iyi dzidziso “inoratidzika kuva isina mufungo” yakabvumikiswa kuva yechokwadi. Kana usingakwanise kuratidza kuti ichokwadi, saka hachisi gangaidzo, idzidziso isina musoro. Kunogoneka kunobva humbowo hunoratidza kuti hutatu hweontological/economic ndeyechokwadi, iBhaibheri. Hakuna kumwe kwaibva.
CARM, iyo Christian Apologetics uye Research Ministry, inoratidza sei kuti dzidziso ichokwadi?
(Kungokuyambirai, iyi yakareba chaizvo, asi tinofanira kuiverenga yose kuti tiwane kureba kwakazara, uye upamhi, uye udzamu hworudzi urwu rwomufungo woUtatu. Ndakasiya magwaro eMagwaro asi ndakabvisa mashoko chaiwoiwo kufarira kwehupfupi, asi iwe unogona kuwana zvinyorwa zvizere nekushandisa chinongedzo chandichaisa mundima yetsananguro yevhidhiyo iyi.
The Economic Trinity
Sezvambotaurwa pamusoro, Tiriniti yehupfumi inobata kuti vanhu vatatu muhuMwari vanodyidzana sei kune mumwe nemumwe uye nenyika. Mumwe nemumwe ane mabasa akasiyana mukati mehuMwari uye rimwe nerimwe rine mabasa akasiyana muhukama nenyika (mamwe mabasa anopindirana). Baba-neMwanakomana hukama hwevamwari vatatu mumwe sezvo husingagumi (zvimwe pane izvi pazasi). Baba vakatuma Mwanakomana ( 1 Johane 4:10 ), Mwanakomana akaburuka kubva kudenga kwete kuzoita kuda kwake asi kuda kwaBaba ( Johane 6:38 ). Kuti uwane vhesi imwe chete inoratidza kusiyana kwemabasa, ona 1 Pet. 1:2, “Maererano nokuziva zviri mberi kwaMwari Baba, nebasa rokutsvenesa roMweya, kuti muteerere Jesu Kristu, nokusaswa neropa rake,” Unogona kuona kuti Baba vanofanoziva. Mwanakomana akava munhu akazvibaira. Mweya Mutsvene unochenesa kereke. Izvi zviri nyore, asi tisati tazokurukurazve izvi, ngatitarisei mamwe mavhesi anotsigira musiyano wemabasa pakati pevanhu vatatu veTiriniti.
Baba vakatuma Mwanakomana. Mwanakomana haana kutuma Baba ( Johani 6:44; 8:18; 10:36; 1 Johani 4:14 )
Jesu akaburuka kudenga, kwete kuti aite kuda kwake, asi kuda kwaBaba. ( Johani 6:38 )
Jesu akaita basa rokudzikinura. Baba havana. ( 2 VaK. 5:21; 1 Pet. 2:24 )
Jesu ndiye akaberekwa ari mumwe oga. Baba havasi. ( Johani 3:16 )
Baba vakapa Mwanakomana. Mwanakomana haana kupa Baba kana Mweya Mutsvene. ( Johani 3:16 )
Baba neMwanakomana vanotumira Mweya Mutsvene. Mweya Mutsvene haatumi Baba neMwanakomana. (Johani 14:26; 15:26)
Baba vakapa vasanangurwa kuMwanakomana. Gwaro haritauri kuti Baba vakapa vasanangurwa kuMweya Mutsvene. ( Johani 6:39 )
Baba vakatisarudza nyika isati yavambwa. Hapana chinoratidza kuti Mwanakomana kana Mweya Mutsvene vakatisarudza. ( VaEf. 1:4 )
Baba vakatitemera kare kuti tiitwe vana maererano nokuda kwavo. Izvi hazvitaurwi nezveMwanakomana kana Mweya Mutsvene. ( VaEf. 1:5 )
Tine kuregererwa kubudikidza neropa raJesu, kwete ropa raBaba kana roMweya Mutsvene. ( VaEf. 1:7 )
Ngatipfupikisai. Tinogona kuona kuti Baba vakatuma Mwanakomana ( Johane 6:44; 8:18 ). Mwanakomana akaburuka kubva kudenga kuti arege kuita kuda kwake (Johane 6:38). Baba vakapa Mwanakomana ( Joh. 3:16 ), ari iye akaberekwa ari mumwe oga ( Joh. 3:16 ), kuti aite basa rokudzikinura ( 2VaK. 5:21; 1Pet. 2:24 ). Baba neMwanakomana vakatuma Mweya Mutsvene. Baba, vakatisarudza nyika isati yavambwa ( VaEf. 1:4 ), vakatitemera ( VaEf. 1:5; VaR. 8:29 ), uye vakapa vasanangurwa kuMwanakomana ( Joh. 6:39 ).
Akanga asiri Mwanakomana akatuma Baba. Baba havana kutumwa kuzoita kuda kweMwanakomana. Mwanakomana haana kupa Baba, uye Baba havana kunzi akaberekwa ari mumwe oga. Baba havana kuita basa rekudzikinura. Mweya Mutsvene haana kutuma Baba neMwanakomana. Hazvina kunzi Mwanakomana kana Mweya Mutsvene akatisarudza, akatitemera, uye akatipa kuna Baba.
Uyezve, Baba vanodana Jesu kuti Mwanakomana ( Johane 9:35 ), kwete neimwe nzira. Jesu anonzi Mwanakomana woMunhu ( Mat. 24:27 ); Baba havasi. Jesu anonzi Mwanakomana waMwari ( Mako 1:1; Ruka 1:35 ); Baba havanzi Mwanakomana waMwari. Jesu achagara kuruoko rworudyi rwaMwari ( Mako 14:62; Mabasa 7:56 ); Baba havagari kuruoko rworudyi rwoMwanakomana. Baba vakagadza Mwanakomana somugari wenhaka yezvinhu zvose ( VaH. 1:1 ), kwete neimwe nzira. Baba vakatara nguva yokudzorerwa kwoumambo hwaIsraeri (Mabasa 1:7), Mwanakomana haana kudaro. Mweya Mutsvene unopa zvipo kuChechi ( 1VaK. 12:8-11 ) uye unobereka zvibereko ( VaG. 5:22–23 ). Izvi hazvina kutaurwa nezvaBaba neMwanakomana.
Saka, zvakajeka, tinoona kusiyana kwekuita uye mabasa. Baba vanotumira, vanotungamira, uye vanofanotemera. Mwanakomana anoita kuda kwaBaba, anova nyama, uye anoita rudzikinuro. Mweya Mutsvene anogara nekutsvenesa Kereke.
Zvino rangarira kuti utatu hwoumwari, uhwo Utatu hwoupfumi hunotsigirwa, hunoti “Vanhu vose vari vatatu voHumwari vakaenzana musimba, mbiri, uchenjeri, zvichingodaro. Iyo et cetera inomiririra zvimwe zvese. Saka, tichiverenga zvose zviri pamusoro, tinowana kupi kuenzana musimba, kubwinya, uchenjeri, zivo, chiremera, kana chimwe chinhu? Kana ukaverenga mavhesi ose iwayo eBhaibheri usina pfungwa dzipi nedzipi, pasina munhu afanokuudza zvadzinoreva, ungadavira here kuti Mwari ari kuzviratidza kwauri nomudzimu mutsvene soUtatu? Sevanhu vatatu vakasiyana vanoumba munhu mumwe chete?
Ndeipi mhedziso inotorwa nemunyori weChristian Apologetics and Research Ministry kubva pane zvese izvi:
Pasina iyi misiyano, hapangavi nemusiyano upi noupi pakati pevanhu veTiriniti uye kana pasina misiyano, hakuna Tiriniti.
Huh? Ndinotarisa misiyano yese iyi kuratidza kuti hakuna utatu, nekuti inoratidza kuti vatatu ava havana kuenzana zvachose, asi munyori wechinyorwa ichi ari kushandura humbowo hwese hunoramba kuti kune Utatu mumusoro uye umboo hunoratidza Utatu shure kwezvose.
Fungidzira kudai mapurisa aizouya pasuo rako humwe usiku ndokuti, “Muvakidzani wako awanikwa apondwa. Tawana pfuti yako panzvimbo ine mafinger prints. Takawana DNA yako pasi pezvipikiri zvemunhu akabatwa. Tine Zvapupu zvitatu zvakakuona uchipinda mumba maminitsi mashoma pfuti isati yanzwika uye zvakakuona uchimhanya uchibuda pashure pacho. Tawanawo ropa rake pahembe dzako. Pakupedzisira, asati afa, akanyora zita rako muropa pasi. Humbowo hwese uhu hunoratidza pachena kuti hauna kumuponda. Chokwadi dai pasina humbowo uhu ndimi mungadai muri munhu anofungidzirwa kuti ndiye mukuru wedu.”
Ndinoziva. Ndiyo mamiriro ezvinhu asina musoro, asi ndiwo mamiriro echinyorwa ichi cheCARM. Tinotarisirwa kutenda kuti humbowo hwese hwemuBhaibheri hunoramba Utatu, hahupokane zvachose. Kutaura zvazviri, zvakasiyana chaizvo. Vanamuzvinafundo ava vakatadza kufunga zvine musoro here, kana kuti vanongofunga kuti isu tose tiri mapenzi. Iwe unoziva, dzimwe nguva hapana mazwi ...
Zvingaita sekuti chinangwa chedzidziso yeUtatu yezvemari ndechekuedza kutenderera gomo reuchapupu hwemagwaro hunoratidza kuti nhengo nhatu dzeutatu hadzina kuenzana munzira ipi neipi. Utatu hwehupfumi hunoedza kushandura kutarisa kubva pahunhu hwaBaba, Mwanakomana nemweya mutsvene kuenda kumabasa emumwe nemumwe.
Iri izano rakanaka. Rega ndikuratidze kuti zvinoshanda sei. Ndichakuridzira vhidhiyo. Ini handina kukwanisa kuziva kwakabva vhidhiyo iyi, asi zviri pachena kuti idimu kubva mukupokana pakati peasingatendi kuti kuna Mwari uye Christian Creationist. Asingatendi kuti kuna Mwari anobvunza zvaanotenda zviri pachena kuti mubvunzo wegocha, asi muKristu anomuvhara zvakanaka. Mhinduro yake inoratidza nzwisiso chaiyoiyo muchimiro chaMwari. Asi muKristu iyeye pasina panikiro anodavira Utatu. Zvinoshamisa ndezvokuti mhinduro yake inopikisa Utatu. Zvadaro, kugumisa, anoita zvinokatyamadza muchikamu chiduku chepfungwa dzenhema. Ngatinzwei
Reinhold Schlieter: Ndavhiringika. Kuva anowirirana muuzivi uye kuva munhu akatendeseka zvikuru, ndine chokwadi chokuti unogona kundiudza kwakabva Mwari. Uye nekuwedzera, mukuwedzera, kana wangondiudza kunobva kuna Mwari, ndapota edza kujekesa kuti ungafunga sei kuti simba remweya rinogona kuita kuti rigadzire zvinhu zvakasikwa.
Dr. Kent Hovind: Zvakanaka, mubvunzo wako, "Mwari akabva kupi?" inofungidzira kuti kufunga kwako kwechakaipa—zviri pachena, kunoratidzira—kuti kufunga kwako mwari asina kururama. Nemhaka yokuti Mwari weBhaibheri haatapurwi nenguva, nzvimbo, kana kuti chinhu. Kana Akakanganiswa nenguva, nzvimbo, kana chinhu, haasi Mwari. Nguva, nzvimbo uye nyaya ndiyo yatinoti inoenderera. Ose anofanira kuvapo panguva imwe cheteyo. Nekuti paive nenyaya, asi pasina nzvimbo, waizoiisa kupi? Dai paiva nenyaya uye nzvimbo, asi pasina nguva, waizoiisa rini? Iwe haugone kuve nenguva, nzvimbo, kana nyaya wakazvimirira. Dzinofanira kuvapo panguva imwe chete. Bhaibheri rinopindura izvozvo nemashoko gumi: “Pakutanga [pane nguva], Mwari akasika denga [pane nzvimbo], nenyika [pane chinhu].
Saka une nguva, nzvimbo, nyaya yakasikwa; vatatu vatatu varipo; unoziva kuti nguva yapfuura, iripo, inouya; nzvimbo kureba, kureba, upamhi; nyaya yakasimba, mvura, gasi. Une hutatu hweutatu hwakasikwa pakarepo, uye Mwari akavasika anofanira kunge ari kunze kwavo. Kana akaganhurirwa nenguva, Haasi Mwari.
Mwari akasika komputa iyi haisi mukombuta. Haasi kumhanya-mhanya imomo achichinja nhamba dziri pascreen, kwakanaka here? Mwari akasika pasi nedenga ari kunze kwechadenga. Ari pamusoro pazvo, kupfuura pazviri, mazviri, kuburikidza nazvo. Haana kubatika nazvo. Saka, nekuda…uye pfungwa yekuti simba remweya harigone kuita chero chinhu pamuviri wenyama… saka, ndinofunga unotofanira kunditsanangurira zvinhu zvakaita semanzwiro nerudo neruvengo negodo negodo nekunzwisisa. Ndinoreva kana huropi hwako hungori muunganidzwa wemakemikari akaumbwa nemukana pamusoro pemabhiriyoni emakore, pasi pano ungavimba sei nemaitiro ako ekufunga uye pfungwa dzaunofunga, zvakanaka?
Saka, ah…mubvunzo wako: “Mwari akabva kupi?” kuri kufungidzira mwari akaganhurirwa, uye ndiro dambudziko rako. Mwari wandinonamata haaganhurirwi nenguva, nzvimbo, kana zvinhu. Dai ndaigona kukwana Mwari asingagumi muuropi hwangu hwemakirogiramu matatu, Haaizokodzera kunamatwa, ndizvozvo. Saka ndiMwari wandinonamata. Ndatenda.
Ndinobvuma kuti Mwari haana magumo uye haagone kukanganiswa nechadenga. Panyaya iyi, ndinobvumirana nemunhu uyu. Asi anotadza kuona kushanda kwemazwi ake pakutenda kwake. Jesu uyo ari Mwari maererano nedzidziso yoUtatu anogona sei kutapurwa nechisiko chapose pose? Mwari havagoni kuganhurirwa nenguva. Mwari havadi kudya. Mwari havagoni kurovererwa pamuchinjikwa. Mwari haangaurawi. Asi, achaita kuti tidavire kuti Jesu ndiMwari.
Saka pano une tsananguro inoshamisa yehuchenjeri husingagumi nesimba uye chimiro chaMwari chisingaenderani nedzidziso yeTiriniti. Asi wacherekedza here kuti akanga achiri kuedza sei kupinza Utatu mugakava rake apo akanokora mashoko Genesi 1:1 ? Anotaura nezvenguva, nzvimbo uye nyaya seTiriniti. Namamwe mashoko, chisiko chose, chisiko chose, Utatu. Ipapo anokamura chikamu chimwe nechimwe chechisiko chapose pose muutatu hwacho chaihwo. Nguva ine nguva yakapfuura, yazvino, uye yemberi; nzvimbo ine urefu, kufara, uye kudzika; nyaya iripo seyakasimba, mvura, kana gasi. Utatu hwoUtatu, akahudana.
Iwe haugone kungodaidza chimwe chinhu chiri mumatunhu matatu, sematter, triniti. (Chaizvoizvo, nyaya inogonawo kuvapo se plasma, inova nyika yechina, asi ngatiregei kupesanisa nyaya yacho mberi.) Nyaya yacho ndeyokuti tiri kuona unyanzvi hunozivikanwa pano. Kunyepa kunonzwisisika kwekuenzana kwenhema. Kupfurikidza nokutamba nokukurumidza uye nokusasununguka nerevo yeshoko rokuti, utatu, ari kuedza kutiita kuti tigamuchire pfungwa pamashoko ake. Kana tadaro, anogona kuzorishandisa kune revo chaiyo yaanoda kubudisa.
Ndinobvuma here kuti Jehovha, Jesu, uye mudzimu mutsvene vane mabasa akasiyana? Ehe. Hezvo zvaunazvo, Utatu hwehupfumi. Kwete, haudaro.
Unobvuma here kuti mumhuri muna baba, amai nemwana vane mabasa akasiyana? Ehe. Unogona here kuvarondedzera semhuri? Ehe. Asi izvozvo hazvina kuenzana neUtatu. Baba ndivo mhuri here? Amai ndivo mhuri here? Mwana, mhuri here? Kwete. Asi Baba ndiMwari here? Hungu, anodaro anodavira Utatu. Mweya Mutsvene ndiMwari here? Hongu, zvakare. Mwanakomana, ndiMwari here? Ehe.
Munoona, Utatu hwezveupfumi ingori nzira yekuedza kutora humbowo hunoramba Utatu hweruzivo rweontology, nekuhutsanangura. Asi pachokwadi, vazhinji veavo vanoshandisa Tiriniti yezveupfumi kutsanangura humbowo hunopesana nedzidziso yeUtatu hwedzidziso yezvesayenzi vachiri kutenda mutsanangudzo yeontology yevanhu vatatu vakasiyana mumunhu mumwe, avo vose vakaenzana muzvinhu zvose. Iri ndiro zano ren'anga. Ruoko rumwe runokukanganisa iwe uku rumwe ruoko ruchiita hunyengeri. Tarisa pano: Muruoko rwangu rweruboshwe, ndakabata hutatu hwehupfumi. Zvose zvinotaurwa neBhaibheri nezvemabasa akasiyana-siyana anoitwa naBaba, Mwanakomana, uye mudzimu mutsvene ndezvechokwadi. Munozvibvuma here izvozvo? Ehe. Ngatitii Tiriniti, kwakanaka here? Zvakanaka. Zvino muruoko rwerudyi, “abracadabra,” tine hutatu chaihwo. Asi ichiri kunzi Tiriniti, handiti? Uye unobvuma Utatu, handiti? Oh. Ehe. Zvakanaka, ndazvinzwisisa.
Zvino kutaura chokwadi, havasi vese vanotenda Tiriniti vanogamuchira hutatu hweontology. Vazhinji mazuva ano vakagadzira tsananguro dzavo. Asi vachiri kushandisa shoko rokuti, Tiriniti. Icho ichokwadi chakakosha. Ndiyo kiyi yekutsanangura kumanikidza kunoita vanhu kugamuchira Utatu.
Kune vanhu vazhinji, tsananguro yacho haina basa zvakanyanya. Zvaimboita basa. Chokwadi, pane imwe nguva waisungirirwa padanda wopiswa uri mupenyu kana usingabvumirani nazvo. Asi nhasi, kwete zvakanyanya. Unogona kuuya netsanangudzo yako uye ndizvozvo. Chero ukashandisa izwi rekuti, Tiriniti. Zvakafanana nepassword yekupinda mukirabhu yakasarudzika.
Enzaniso yandichangobva kushandisa yemhuri inonyatsoenderana nedzimwe tsanangudzo dzoUtatu dziri kuparadzirwa iye zvino.
Kana mwana mumwe chete mumhuri akafa, haisisiri mhuri. Chasara vaviri chete. Ndakabvunza aidavira Utatu kuti chii chakaitika pakafa Jesu kwemazuva matatu. Mhinduro yake yaiva yokuti Mwari akanga afa kwemazuva matatu iwayo.
Icho hachisi Utatu, asi zvakare, chinokosha ndechokuti shoko racho pacharo rinoshandiswa. Sei?
Ndine dzidziso, asi ndisati ndaitsanangura, ndinofanira kutaura kuti neiyi nhevedzano yemavhidhiyo, handisi kuedza kupwisa vanodavira Utatu kuti havana kururama. Nharo iyi yave ichienderera mberi kwemazana emakore 15, uye ini handisi kuzoikunda. Jesu achaukunda paanouya. Ndiri kuedza kubatsira vaya vari kumuka musangano reZvapupu zvaJehovha kuti vasabatwa neimwe dzidziso yenhema. Ini handidi kuti vasvetuke kubva mupani yenhema yeJW theology vachipinda mumoto wedzidziso huru dzechiKristu.
Ndinoziva kuti chikumbiro chekuva cheboka revaKristu chinogona kuva chakasimba. Vamwe vangafunga kuti kana vachifanira kukotama zvishoma, kana vachifanira kugamuchira imwe dzidziso yenhema, iwo muripo wavanodisa kubhadhara. Dzvinyiriro yavaenzani uye kudikanwa kwokubatanidzwa ndizvo zvakasunda vaKristu vomuzana rokutanga ramakore, vanenge vamwe vavo, kuedza kuita kuti Vemamwe Marudzi vadzingiswe.
Nokuti vaya vanoda kufadza vanhu panyama ndivo vanokurovererai kuti mudzingiswe. Chikonzero bedzi chinoita kuti vadaro ndechokuti varege kutambudzwa nokuda kwomuchinjikwa waKristu. (VaGaratiya 6:12)
Ini ndinotenda kuti inhaurirano inoshanda kushandisa izvo kune mamiriro edu azvino uye kuverengazve vhesi seizvi:
Vaya vanoda kufadza vanhu nenyama vari kuedza kukumanikidza kuti udavire kuti Mwari Utatu. Chikonzero bedzi chinoita kuti vadaro ndechokuti varege kutambudzwa nokuda kwomuchinjikwa waKristu. (VaGaratiya 6:12)
Kudiwa kwekuve weboka zvinoreva kuti munhu achiri musungo nekudzidziswa kweSangano reZvapupu zvaJehovha. "Ndoendepi futi?" ndiwo mubvunzo unonyanya kubvunzwa nevese vanotanga kumuka kune nhema uye hunyengeri hweJW.org. Ndinoziva chimwe Chapupu chaJehovha chiri kuedza kudzorerwa kunyangwe chichiziva nezvedzidziso dzese dzenhema nehunyengeri hwemubatanidzwa weUN uye nekuvharika kwekushungurudzwa kwevana. Zvaanofunga ndezvokuti ndiyo yakanakisisa pazvitendero zvose zvenhema. Kuda kwake kuve wechitendero kwakaputira pfungwa dzake kune chokwadi chekuti vasanangurwa vaMwari, vana vaMwari, ndezvaKristu chete. Hatichisiri vevarume.
Naizvozvo ngakurege kuva neunozvikudza nevanhu. Nokuti zvinhu zvose ndezvenyu, angava Pauro kana Aporo kana Kefasi kana nyika kana upenyu kana rufu kana zvinhu zviripo kana zvinhu zvinouya; zvinhu zvose ndezvenyu, uye muri vaKristu; uye Kristu ndewaMwari. ( 1 VaKorinte 3:21-23 )
Chokwadika, vanodavira Utatu vanonzwa ikoku vachataura kuti vane ufakazi. Vachataura kuti uchapupu hwoUtatu huri muBhaibheri rose. Vane "magwaro euchapupu" akawanda. Kubva panguva ino zvichienda mberi, ndichave ndichiongorora aya ehumbowo zvinyorwa chimwe nechimwe kuti ndione kana zvechokwadi achipa humbowo hwemagwaro edzidziso, kana kuti zvese hutsi nemagirazi.
Parizvino, tichapera uye ndinoda kukutendai nehanya yenyu uye, zvakare, nditaure kutenda kwangu nerutsigiro rwenyu.
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Ini ndinofunga uchiri kunyanya kubatirira kudzidziso yebhaibheri yeWatchtower nekuti unoita seunobvumirana navo nekuramba kuti Jesu ndewehumwari, uchitenda kuti tinowana nyasha dzaMwari nezvatinoita (rudo), uye nekuramba hunhu hweMweya Mutsvene. Ndinocherechedza kuti uri kuzoita vhidhiyo inotsanangurazve kunzwisisa kwako kweMweya. Ndinotarisira izvozvo. Handizivi kuti “munhu” irondedzero yakanaka kumitezo yoUtatu zvakadaro. Ndinofunga vanhu pasi pemakore vakange vasina chinhu chiri nani chekushandisa. Kana chechi chete/sangano rechinamato iwe wakambove nhengo... Read more  »
Inonakidza. Ndakaona kuti dzinenge dzidziso dzese dzakasarudzika kuJWs inhema. Kurambwa kweUtatu hakusi kweZvapupu zvaJehovha chete, saka nekuda kwekuti mumwe munhu haabvume hachisi chikonzero chine musoro chekuvapenda nebhurashi redzidziso yeJW. Sezvineiwo, handisi kuramba kuti Jesu ndiMwari. Ini ndinongoramba tsananguro yenyu yekuti Mwari anomuita mwari wemasimbaose. Asi ndimwari. Ralf, pamusoro pokutenda kwako pamusoro pezvandinotenda pamusoro porudzidziso uye zvandiri kuita pakunamata Mwari, unoratidzika kuva unowana rovedzo yako kupfurikidza nokumhanyira kumhedziso. Iwe... Read more  »
Ndinokumbira ruregerero kana ndafunga zvakawanda. Sezvandakataura mumhinduro yangu yekutanga kune yako post, ndinoziva kuti handizonzwisise kana kududzira zvisizvo zvimwe zvezvaunotaura. Ndiri kungoenda nemashoko ako anoita sendiri kutaura. Ramba uchindiruramisa. Asi hazvienderane here nekutenda kweJW kuti Jesu ndiMwari kwete Mwari Wemasimbaose? Saka icho chingava chibvumirano. Ndakaziva kuti kuramba Utatu hakusi kwega. VaArian vakanga vachiita kare kare. Eria naErisha vakanga vachiita basa rimwechete nevaapostora vekereke yekutanga. Mwari vakaita minana kubudikidza navo mukati... Read more  »
Ini handina kusiya zvese zvinotendwa nemaJWs. Kunenge kuri kurasa mwana nemvura yekugeza. Nekudaro, kutenda zvimwe zvezvinhu zvavanotenda hazviite kuti ndisungwe padzidziso yeJW kupfuura zvandinotenda zvinopindirana nedzidziso dzeBaptist kana dzeKatorike zvinondisunga kuzvitendero izvozvo. Nezvokumutsa vakafa kwaEria naErisha, ndanga ndichishandisa izvozvo kupikisa nharo dzenyu: “Kana Mwari ari Utatu, nei mabasa oumwari akasiyana-siyana aisazoitwa nevanhu vakasiyana? Uye zvakadaro, Jesu muBhuku rose raJohane anoratidza kuti Ari kuita basa rehumwari chete... Read more  »
Nenzira, apo Jesu akafa uye kwamazuva matatu nousiku hutatu akarara muguva, Mwari akafa here?
Hongu, asi ndinofunga kusiyana kwedu pano kwakafanana nekusiyana kwedu pahumwari hwaJesu. Kunzwisisa kwakasiyana pa "humwari", uye pamwe nekunzwisisa kwakasiyana kwe "rufu". Iwe unobatirira kurufu kusavapo (iyo JW kunzwisisa), kungotangazve hupenyu nekumuka? Nokuti ndinotenda kana ndafa, ndinoramba ndiri mupenyu mumweya. Tarisiro yekuchinja isina musono kubva kuupenyu huno hwekutamburira kuenda pamberi paJesu kudenga ndiyo inobvisa kurwadza kwerufu. Asi rufu harwusi rwomuzvarirwo uye muuyo wechivi, uye chichiri chiitiko chinosuruvarisa uye chakaipa sezvinoratidzira misodzi yaJesu kunze kweguva raRazaro.... Read more  »
Haufaniri hako kudavira kuti unopfuurira “mupenyu mumudzimu” kuti ubvise rumborera parufu. Sezvo vakafa vasina chavanoziva, nguva iri pakati porufu rwomunhu norumuko ichava yapakarepo mumurangariro womunhu amene, kunyange zvazvo zviuru zvamakore zvingave zvapfuura.
Jesu akanga ari munhu akakwana, kwete mwari. Akasiya huMwari hwake maringe naVaFiripi 2:5,6
Hi Derek,
Tetragrammaton, YHWH, inomiririra zita raMwari rine mabhii mana rinowanika kanenge ka7000 XNUMX muzvinyorwa zvepakutanga zveMagwaro echiHebheru. Shanduro yezita iroro rechiHebheru inosiyana-siyana. Shanduro mbiri dzinonyanyozivikanwa ndiYahweh naJehovah muchiRungu. Asi idzi ishanduro kana kuti kududzira sezvazvingave zvakadaro, kwete zita chairo semapereterwo aiitwa pakutanga uye madudzirwo echiHebheru.
Kana ukauya kumisangano yedu neSvondo uchasangana nevamwe vanhu vekuUK vaunokwanisa kuwadzana navo. Nguva dzemisangano uye maZoom links anowanikwa pane iyi link: https://beroeans.net/events/
Eric, Ndiri kungoshamisika, Frankie, wanga uri sosi yakanaka yekundikurudzira… Ramba uchiita basa rakanaka. Eric, Wati HAUCHAZODZOSA mavhoti epamusoro uye mavhoti epasi uye saiti ino yanga iri muongorori wejw.org CHETE ... "Chiedza chako chiri kuramba chichiwedzera kupenya here?" Eric, Satani akuda kuti usefa, asi kana wadzoka, kurudzira "mhuri" yako. Ziva chikonzero nei wakadzingwa uye nei wakagadzira webhusaiti ino kuti ubatsire zvapupu kuti zvimuke. Kudai mudzimai wako waunoda akanga achiri mupenyu, angadai akatii kwauri? Ndichingozvibvunza, ndakabva ndabatwa... Read more  »
James Mansoor, kutaura kwako pano ndeimwe yeanonyanya kudzora uye anonyengedza zvinyorwa zvandakaona munguva refu, uri kudzura ese "tambo dzembira" dziripo kwauri kuyedza kufambisa chikepe ichi kuti chiende munzira yekufadza iwe! Unonzwa wakasununguka kutaura uchimiririra Jehovha naSatani here? Serious??? Nzvimbo iyi ndeyekuita basa raJehovah ZVINOGONA ZVINOGONA!! Haisi nzvimbo yokuti murume upi noupi ave mutungamiriri uye ashandise simba rake pachake kana kuti adzorwe nokushandiswa kuita kuda kwomumwe munhu! Unonyatsonzwisisa here “Bhabheri” kana zvarinoreva pa... Read more  »
Ndatenda nekutsiura kwako kwaJames uye nekufunga kwako kwakanaka, BobPfohl.
Ndinoziva kuti zvinokunetsa chaizvo kuve nemavhoti akaderera, asi takazvikurukura kakawanda uye ndafunga kuti ma pluses anokunda zvakaipa.
Ndinonzwisisa kuti haufarire kuvhoterwa pasi kana muvhoti ari pasi asingape chikonzero, uye ndinonzwisisa kuti zvinogona kutyisa. Ini ndinowana mavhoti akawanda pasi pachiteshi changu cheYouTube ndisina kumbowana chikonzero. Asi vane chinangwa. Dzinotibvumira kuyera kuita kwese kwezvatinotaura. Tinofanira kuchengetedzwa zvakakwana munzvimbo yedu yekubata kurambwa, kungave kusingakodzeri kana kwete.
Vakuru veWT havangambobvumira kuvhota pasi. Izvo chete zvinoita sechikonzero chekuzvibvumira.
PS: Ndangovhota chirevo chako. ?
lol
Hurukuro yeUtatu uye dzidziso yedzidziso uye maitiro ekutonga anoitevera. Inoramba iri nhaurirano isingaperi iyo isingaendi. Zvinoita here kuti vanotenda muutatu vashaye: Baba yhwh, Jesu akauya muzita rayhwh uye Mubatsiri uyo Jesu akauya muzita rababa yhwh akavimbisa? Zvinoita here kuti vasinga tsigire dzidziso yeutatu vashaye Baba yhwh, Jesu akauya muzita rayhwh neMubatsiri akavimbiswa naJesu uyo akauya muzita rababa? Kunyangwe isu takadzidza kana kusadzidza, ndinotenda... Read more  »
Kumira wakasimba muchokwadi hakusi kungoomerera kana kuti kutonga. Muevhangeri hamuna chinhu chinoratidza kuti Jesu aishivirira dzidziso dzenhema, uyewo hapana kana mumwe wevanyori vechiKristu anoratidza mafungiro okuda kufadza paanosangana nevadzidzisi venhema. Vanodavira Utatu nevaya vanotsigira dzimwe dzidziso dzenhema dzakadai somweya usingafi nemoto wehero vachaedza kutiita kuti “tinyorovese rurimi rwavo nedonhwe remvura” nokutikumbira kuti tivarege vakadaro, vachitaura kuti ipfungwawo zvayo—sokunge kuti. pakanga pasina chokwadi chakaoma muMagwaro kana muhupenyu. Baba vari kutsvaga vanamati... Read more  »
Wow 111 comments nezvenyaya ichapindurwa naJesu Kristu pachake paachauya ogara pachigaro chake chine mbiri otanga kuparadzana. Vanodavira Utatu kubva kwete Vanodavira Utatu… Ndafunga kuti saiti ino iwongororo yejw.org.
Pfungwa yakanaka. Yaive muongorori weJW.org, asi ndinofunga yave nguva yekufungazve zita iro sezvo hushumiri hwangu hwawedzera. Ndinokutendai nekuunza izvo kungwariro yangu.
Shumiro yako yawedzera chokwadi hama Eric. Ndokumbira urambe uchiita basa rinoshamisa raunoita!
Chinonyanya kukosha ndechokurega kuyerera kwemahara kweMweya waMwari kuchiitika uye kudzivirira kumisa mitemo uye kuva vatungamiriri veboka. muenzaniso wandakaona ndewepi, nguva painoumbwa boka vanhu vanoda Kujoina, uye nechinangwa cheOrganisation mutungamiri anosarudzwa, anogadzwa kana kuti anozodzwa ega, pachinzvimbo ichocho, uyezve kuchengetedza grup mitemo nekutonga ndizvo. kwakasikwa uye mukuedza kuchengetedza kurongeka, hudzvinyiriri hunozopedzisira hwapinda nokuti mukusakwana kwedu hapana mumwe wedu anogona kudzora nekuchengetedza chinzvimbo ichocho chehutungamiri! ndosaka mutungamiri wedu ari uye anofanira kugara achifanirwa... Read more  »
James Mansoor, kana iwe uchida kumirira kuti Jesu akuudze chokwadi nezve dzidziso iyi, ndinokurudzira kuti umirire mu "Orthodox Christianity" kusvika wawana mhinduro! Zvako zvinongoburitsa zvaunotenda pamusoro pedzidziso iyi, uye ndinofunga kuti moyo wako wakatsamwa nazvo? ( Ruka 6:43-45 ) 43 “Nokuti hapana muti wakanaka unobereka chibereko chakaora, uye hapana muti wakaora unobereka chibereko chakanaka. 44 Nekuti muti umwe neumwe unozikamwa nemuchero wawo. Somuenzaniso, vanhu havatanhi maonde paminzwa, kana kutanha mazambiringa pagwenzi reminzwa. 45 Munhu akanaka anobudisa zvakanaka kubva pane zvakanaka... Read more  »
tichingoshamisika, mutsinhirano netsinhiro yako tinogona kuona kuti Kaini (akurudzirwa navabereki vake) akafunga kududzwa chaiko kwe“mbeu yomukadzi” sepfuma yake, ikoku kwakabvumira mufambiro wake norufu rwaAbheri uye nhamburiko yapakuvamba nokuda kwe“mbeu yomukadzi”. Satani kuti aedze kukanganisa chiporofita ichi kuti chisazadzike! (Ndaigona kutaura zvakawanda pamusoro peizvi asi zvakwana izvozvi)
Waita, Eric, nekutora musoro weUtatu. Ndinonyatsoda musoro unoti: Ko Dzidziso yoUtatu Inopiwa naMwari Here Kana Kuti Yakaziviswa naDhiyabhorosi. Dzidziso iyi inoparadzanisa vaKristu zvakanyanya. Uye ikoku kuri pachena kwandiri nemhaka yokuti vateveri vaKristu vakabatana uye vanotsinhirana, naizvozvo havana kukamukana mudzidziso huru dzaMwari. Apo ndinokurukura nomurume anoramba upenyu hwaJesu asati aberekwa pasi pano ndokutaura kuti Logos mufungo waMwari, handinzwi chinzwano chaKristu nouyu murume. Zvakare, handinzwi humwe hwakadaro... Read more  »
Ndiyo pfungwa inofadza zvikuru. Ndatenda nekugovana.
Ndichingofunga,
Zvese zvakanaka shamwari. Zvese zvakanaka ?
Ndichingofunga,
Mate two old geezers sesu, we can always have a shinda kana maviri. Ndapota mese pane mazwi ekurudziro amungataure mose?
Ndichiri kushamisika, buritsa chinyorwa icho sezvandinoda kuchigovera kune vamwe vemuungano yedu nekune dzimwe nyika.
Thanks shamwari.
Mhoro Eric,
Ndichiri kufunga kuti munganyora here nyaya pfupi kuti mubatsire kukurudzira dzimwe hama dzokuUkraine dzandavakumbira kuti dzitarise webhusaiti ino… Mumwe mukuru wandinoziva akatamira ikoko akati maziso ake avhurwa uye anonditenda.
Ndine chokwadi chekuti nyaya yehutatu icharamba iripo kuti tisimudze kwatakabva.
Munofungei?
Ndaigara ndichifarira iyo aphorism, "Edza kunzwisisa Utatu uye ucharasikirwa nepfungwa dzako - edza kuzviramba, uye ucharasikirwa nehupenyu hwako."
dzidziso yoUtatu ibhuku raSatani rakagadzirirwa kutsausa vanhu pakuziva Mwari wedu nedhigirii rinobvira, rakafanana nedzidziso yemhindumupindu inofanira kuongwa bedzi nevakangwara venyika ino yakaipa yaSatani. kunoita kuti zvisakwanisike kuti munhu ave noukama naMwari kana kuti nomwanakomana wake zvakanaka. kumberi kwayo i“nyonganyonga nenyonganyonga”! Asi ini ndinonzwisisa nehunhu hwechinyorwa ichi chinokwevera semagineti vese avo vakasungwa nemoyo kudzidziso iyi uye nekuomerera kwairi neupofu, inova musimboti wezvinotendwa nevanhu ava, uye nekudaro havakwanise.... Read more  »
kufunga kwakanaka “kungokanganisa”, kana tikarangarira maitiro emaJuda akawira mukunamata kwenhema semuenzaniso pasi pehutungamiriri hwaJezebheri, funga nezvenhoroondo dzeavo vainamata vamwari venhema ava?
uye ipapo Jehovha uye akapa simba sei mhindu yake kubata navo! vakadzidziswa zvechokwadi mukunamata kwenhema vane nzira yakaoma yokubuda mumusungo iwoyo!
Zvakanaka, JW
Hi Ken. Ndinoona pano kurukurirano pamusoro pokuvapo kwaJesu muSheori pakati porufu rwake pamuchinjikwa nokumuka kwake. Ndinoda kuratidza maonero angu eiyi nyaya inowanzokurukurwa uye ndichirangarira 1VaKorinde 13:12 panguva imwe chete. Nhau yose ingamuka muna 1 Petro 3:18-19 : “Nokuti Kristuwo wakatambura kamwe chete nokuda kwezvivi, iye wakarurama nokuda kwavasakarurama, kuti atiise kuna Mwari, achiurawa panyama, asi achiitwa vapenyu mumweya. , maakaenda akaparidza kumweya yaiva mutorongo,” [ESV] Ngationei kutevedzana kwenguva... Read more  »
Wadiwa Frankie – ndatenda nemhinduro yako nezvemazuva matatu emubvunzo weHadhesi. Ini ndinofunga zvabuda mumusoro saka ndinokumbira ruregerero kuna Eric nezvazvo. Iwe unotaura muNo 3, kuti unoziva hama dzinotenda kuti kwaive naVamwari vaviri kana Twinity. Sekureva kwaMichael S Heiser nyanzvi yebhaibheri, maJuda echipiri etembere anosanganisira Pauro nevanyori vetestamende itsva vaiziva kana kutenda kuti kune masimba maviri kudenga. Vaviri ndiJehovha muna Genesi 1:19. Zvakare kana iwe ukabvunza yechipiri tembere maJuda kuti nei uipi hwese huri pasi pano, maererano naHeiser, chekutanga vaizoti nekuti... Read more  »
Kufunga kwakanaka chaiko, Kungoshamisika. Ndatenda nekugovana.
Eric, Nechokunopera kwechinyorwa chako, wakati “Chii chakaitika Jesu paakanga afa kwemazuva matatu?” Ndaigara ndichinetseka kuti Jesu “akaparidza rini kumidzimu yaiva mujeri”? 1 Petro 3. Ndakawana chinyorwa ichi paIndaneti chinonzi "Zvinoda Kuziva NevaKristu". Jesu Akaendepi Mushure meKufa Kwake Pamuchinjikwa? Jesu akaurayiwa “munyama asi akaitwa mupenyu mumudzimu” zvinoreva kuti rufu rwaisagona kumubata. Akanga asina chivi uye rufu ndiwo mubairo wechivi (VaRoma 6:23) asi sezvo Jesu asina kutadza, mweya wake wakaramba uri mupenyu, kunyangwe akatambura.... Read more  »
ndichingoshamisika, kwaisava kutaura kwangu, ndakati zvaibva pane imwe nyaya yandakawana padandemutande inonzi “Zvinoda Kuziva NevaKristu”. Nguva dzose ndainetseka kuti Jesu akaparidza riini kumidzimu yaiva mujeri, kureva vanakomana vaMwari. Gen 6. Ndinoziva kuti kune dzidziso dzakasiyana. Ken
Mhoro Ken, Manzwisisiro angu ndeekuti Jesu akaparidzira midzimu yaive mutirongo mukati memazuva makumi mana pakati pekumuka kwake nekukwira kwake. 40 Petro 1:3, 18 inogona kunzwisiswa sechiito chokukurumidza kana kuti chakaitika pashure pemazuva matatu enguva. Nguva yacho haina kutaurwa. Jesu akataura zvakajeka kuti aizova afa kwemazuva matatu. Zvakazarurwa 19:1 inotaura kuti akanga afa. Mwari haafi, saka Jesu haangavi Mwari. Nharo inoitwa nechinyorwa ichi inobva pafungidziro. Rinongotaura kuti mudzimu wake wakaramba uri mupenyu asi haripi uchapupu... Read more  »
Eric - Zvine basa here kuti vanhu vanotenda muutatu kana kuti kwete? Zvakadini kana vachidavira kuti Mwari wechokwadi ndiYHWH uye kuti Jesu ndiye muponesi wavo? Vangave maMormon, maJW kana chero, chokwadi MWARI vanoziva zviri mumwoyo yavo! Mambo David, zvikanganiso zvingani zvaakaita, asi aigara achiziva uye achitenda YHWH - JEHOVHA - YAHWEH ndiye Mwari wechokwadi. Pane chinyorwa chakanaka chakanyorwa naMichael S Heiser pamusoro paNaamani murume ane maperembudzi akataurwa naJesu uyo aiva muhedheni aitenda muna Jehovha, akabvunza Erisha kana zvakanga zvakanaka... Read more  »
Saka maJWs 'akatendeka', chokwadi mamwe maKristu 'enhema' ari muchikepe chimwe chete nezvavanotenda? Zvakadini kana tose tichibvumirana kuti tine 'chokwadi' pane imwe yeiyi misoro asi chaizvoizvo tisina? Zvakadini nevaya vakararama Reformation isati yavapo uye nzwisiso chete yaive KANA waiziva chiLatin? Mwari chete ndiye anogona kutaura chokwadi. Vazhinji vose (zvisinei nesangano) vanotevera “zvavakadzidziswa kubva paucheche” uye havagoni kuona 'chokwadi' kunyange zvazvo vangada chaizvo. Izvozvo hazvirevi kuti hatifaniri kuramba tichichera chokwadi asi tinogona chete... Read more  »
Zvakanaka Rudy, kana tichida Mwari kupfuura zvimwe zvinhu zvese ipapo tichagamuchira “chokwadi” sezvachiri, uye nekuti kuratidzwa kwakazara kwechokwadi ikoko hakuzovipo kutozosvikira pashure peUmambo hwaMwari, tinofanira kuda kuchinja uye kuwirirana. maonero edu kuna Mwari kana akaratidzwa zvakakwana kwatiri. “Kuva wesangano kune ngozi nemhaka ye“Boka Funga” uye chishuvo chedu chokufadza nhengo dzeboka pana Mwari pachake.
Ndichingozvibvunza ini ndinofunga ndoziva riini Beroean Pickets achange adzidza Chokwadi, zvichaitika Eric paanomira kugadzira mavhidhiyo uye webhusaiti yeBP yanyangarika nekuti chokwadi chinokusunungura - kubva mukupokana. – Ken
Ken paunotaura izvi "Ndiri kungoshamisika ndinofunga ndinoziva kuti Beroean Pickets achange adzidza Chokwadi rini" Ichi chirevo chinoratidza zvakawanda nezvemafungiro ako. Kutanga iwe unoti, "Kungoshamisika" uchiteverwa nekutonga kwakasimba kwezvaunofunga seboka paunoti: "unoziva rini maBeroean Pickets achange adzidza Chokwadi"? Uri kuti "chokwadi" chiripo muboka chete kana vachibvumira maonero ese anopikisana kuti atariswe uye akurukurwe neboka rose seboka? Iyi ingori nzira yekuti "boka rinofunga" chivakwa chasatani" chinobudirira kukanganisa uye kuderera... Read more  »
BobPfohl - Zvese zviri pamusoro. Ndinokutendai nemoyo murefu wenyu. Ndakadzidza zvakawanda mumazuva mashoma apfuura - ndinokushuvirai Zvese Zvakanakisa. Ndatenda Eric ndakadzidza zvakawanda kubva kwauri - MWARI vakuropafadze - Ken
Ndichingozvibvunza & Eric, - ndichingofunga kuti haufanirwe kukumbira ruregerero, ndinobvumirana nechikamu chechinyorwa chiri pakero yewebhu ( https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/does-the-bible-tell-us -apo-Jesu-aiva-mazuva-matatu-pakati-pokufa-na-kumuka/) nokuti ndaigara ndichifunga kuti neimwe nzira pashure pokunge Jesu atambura marwadzo orufu somunhu, akapfuurira kuparidza. ku“midzimu iri mujeri” iyo JW inobvumirana ne“ngirozi dzakasiya nzvimbo yadzo yepakutanga “Judhasi 6. Handitendi kuti Jesu ndiMWARI, asi Mwanakomana waMwari akasiyana nevamwe. Tinosika vana vedu here kana kuti tinovabereka. Nyaya yacho yainge ine musoro kwandiri... Read more  »
Mhoro Ken,
Ndisati ndapindura, ndinoda kuziva kunzwisisa kwako kweizvi. Ngatikanganwe nezve chinhu chenguva. Zvine basa here kuti akanga afa kwemazuva matatu, kana zuva rimwe, kana awa imwe, kana miniti imwe, kana sekondi imwe? Mubvunzo ndewokuti, unobvuma here kuti akafa? Kwete muviri wake chete nemweya wake uchiramba uri mupenyu uye uchiziva. Munhu aiva Jesu ndiye akanga afa kwenguva yakati here?
Mhoro Eric, Kwandiri zvine basa, Ezekieri 18:20 “Mweya unotadza…”, Jesu akanga asina chivi. John 2: 19 "Putsa temberi iyi uye ndichaimutsazve mumazuva matatu". Pamwe akanga achitaura nezvomuviri wake wenyama kana kuti muviri wake womudzimu uyo vaKristu vanogona kuva chikamu chawo. Kana akanga achitaura nezvomuviri wake wenyama saka anofanira kuva akanga ari mupenyu soMunhu Womudzimu kuti aumutse mukati mamazuva matatu. Semunhu ndinobvuma kuti Jesu akafira ruponeso rwedu, zvikasadaro hatina tariro. Zvine basa here nezvenguva yenguva... Read more  »
Hurukuro yekuti “Jesu ari mugehena” inoita seisina musoro asi ndinofara kuti yabuda. Nguva pfupi yadarika ndaifanira kutarisa musoro wenyaya pachangu mushure mehurukuro yandakaita nemamwe mamomoni. Ndaigara ndichifunga kuti midzimu yaiva mujeri ingirozi dzakauya panyika mumazuva aNoa. Ini handina chokwadi chekuti tsananguro iyi haiite seyakafanirwa kupihwa kuti kutsanangurwa kwakafanana kwengirozi dziri mumaketani / zvisungo / rima muna 2 Pete naJudah. Zvinoita sezvisinganzwisisike kwandiri kuti Jesu aienda kungirozi idzi dzakasungwa kuti angozvikwenya zviso zvadzo, sokunge zvakadaro. I... Read more  »
Kana iri yekushandura 1 Petro 3:19 ichiti “midzimu iri mutirongo ZVINO”, cheki yeZvishandiso Zvekudzidza Bhaibheri paindaneti hapana kana shanduro imwe chete ine “ikozvino” yakaiswa mushanduro ipi zvayo sezvaungafunga… , kune vashoma. Zvakare, kana iwe uchida tsananguro iri nani kupfuura yandinogona kubata, tarisa zvirevo pavhesi iri mubvunzo. Zviripo ndezvokuti mweya yaiva mujeri yaiva mweya panguva iyo Petro achiri mupenyu, asi vaimbove vanhu vaiparidzwa naJesu kuburikidza nemweya wake.... Read more  »
Bhaibheri rinotaura kupi kuti vanhu vanova midzimu, zvokuti Jesu aigona kuva akato“paridzira” kwavari nenzira iyi pakutanga? Jesu akaparidzira kwavari, mumugariro wake womudzimu, kupfurikidza naNoa, apo vakanga vari vanhu vapenyu. Nekuti zviri nani kutambudzika muchiita zvakanaka, kana chido chaMwari chichida, muchiita zvakaipa. Noa akatambura nokuda kwokururama, vanhu vaakaparidza vachitambura nokuda kwokusarurama. Iye zvino mweya yavo yakamirira kutongwa - 'mujeri'. Ziva kuti handisi kuita chero zano rekuti mweya yavo inoziva kana kutambura kana chimwe chinhu. Kuva... Read more  »
Zvekare, JA, ini handina kugadzira iyi mutsara wekufunga. Kana iwe uchida zvakadzama kutarisa munyaya yacho, ingo tsvaga mune imwe yetsanangudzo parugwaro rwebiblehub. Handizivi zvaunofunga kuti Shoko raMwari rakanga richiita asati aratidzwa saJesu asi pfungwa yokuti akanga ari kushingaira mukubata kwaMwari nomunhu haisi pfungwa isingambonzwiki muTestamende itsva. ( VaH 11:26; Jud 5; 1 VaK 10:4; Johani 12:40-41 ) Kana totaura nezvemweya nomudzimu, unoita sokuti unobatanidza zvinhu zviviri izvi. Mweya... Read more  »
JA yaive typo. Ndaireva JW- ndichingoshamisika
Kwete chokwadi iwe wakaisa yakawanda kufunga uye kutsvagisa mune zvaunotaura pano. asi kuenda kudambudziko rekuita tsvagiridzo iyi nekufunga, uye kunyora muchirevo chako, uyezve kupedzisa kutaura kwako nekutaura: "Handifarire kuwana zvibodzwa, uye handidi kuenderera mberi neiyi nhaurirano. .” Ndinowana kupokana kwakati wandei mumashoko ako, maringe nemisimboti yemagwaro yandinoziva. paunotaura chirevo chiri pamusoro uye wochipedzisa ne "Handidi kuenderera mberi nenhaurirano" unenge uchiita chiratidzo chisingachinji uye... Read more  »
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Ken Jesu akaparidza kumidzimu yaiva mujeri mushure mokunge amutswa. Rutivi rwokupedzisira rwa1 Petro 3:18 runobatanidza “kuurawa munyama” uye “kuitwa mupenyu mumudzimu” (Petro anoshandisa chibatanidzo chokuti δέ kuratidza kuti zvaari kutaura pamusoro po“kuitwa vapenyu mumudzimu” zvakafanira. “kuurayiwa panyama.”). “Kuuraiwa” kunoreva kurovererwa kwake (chiitiko), uye “munyama” irevo yechimiro chaakauraiwa nacho (kureva nyama nemapfupa, munhu anofa). “Kuitwa vapenyu” kunoreva kumuka kwake (chiitiko), uye “mumudzimu” ndiko... Read more  »
rajeshsony Neruremekedzo, handinzwisisi chiGiriki, uye ndinototadza kutaura neChirungu, saka ndinofanira kuvimba neshanduro dzechiRungu. Jesu akanga asina chivi. Jesu akaravira rufu somunhu kuti tiponeswe. Pamutemo waMWARI Jesu aisafanira kunge ari muguva nekuti aive asina chivi. Muna Johane 2:19 Jesu anoti, “Putsai temberi iyi uye ndichaimutsazve mumazuva matatu”. Kwandiri aitaura nezvemuviri wake wenyama kana nezvemuviri wake wemweya. Gare gare vadzidzi vake vakaziva kuti akanga achitaura nezvomuviri wake. Ona kuti ndiJesu anomutsa... Read more  »
Dai ndaigona kusvetukira muno, ichokwadi kuti Jesu akanga asina chivi saka haaizofa nechivi. Zvisinei, iye somunhu uye saizvozvo kwete asingafi. Aigona kufa, kana kuti kunyanya, aigona kuurayiwa. Mutemo waizoda kumutswa nokuti rufu rwake rwaizova mhondi uye Mwari aizofanira kuripa. Kudai Mwari aizosarudza kumusiya ari muguva asati amumutsa, ikoko kwaizova kukanganisa kwaMwari, handizvo here? Saka tinoziva kuti akamutswa ari mudzimu nokuti 1 Petro 3:18, 19 uye 1 VaK 15:45 inotiudza.... Read more  »
Eric Unofungei pamusoro paJohani 2:19?
Ndinoona zvichinakidza kuti vanodavira Tiriniti vanowana hyperliteral kana ichivakodzera uye nedimikira kana zvisingaite.
Anotaura chaizvo kuti achamutsa muviri, kwete kumutsa muviri kana kuzvimutsa. Bhaibheri rinotaura zvakajeka kuti iye mweya unopa upenyu. Saka kana mweya uchisimudza muviri hazvireve zvauri kutaura chaizvo. Apo Jesu anooneka mukamuri rakakiyiwa, akanga ari munhu wenyama. Vakamubata. Akanga asiri mweya. Tinotsanangura sei izvozvo pasina kugadzira dzidziso yemusango? Tinogona here kutarisa kumwewo murugwaro kune mweya inogona kuzviratidza munyama?
Eric handina dambudziko nevanodavira utatu. Ndinofunga kuti pane zvakawanda zvisinganzwisiswe nevanhu. Kana vamwe vachitenda muhutatu ndini kuti ndivatonge, ko kana vakarurama. Pane mavhesi akawanda mutestamende itsva anoita seanoreva kuti Jesu ndiMWARI. Iyo NDIRI ndima. Jesu pamberi paKayafasi izvo zvakasimbisa magumo ake! Kayafasi akaziva kuti Jesu aitaura kuti ndiMWARI. Ini handina kumbobvira ndave mutatu, Pamwe aive maJW akaipinza mandiri. Handifungi kuti zvine basa chero bedzi ndichiedza kutevera Jesu... Read more  »
j ndichishamisika kuti ndinorangarira zvisina kujeka mushanduro yechiGiriki yeNew World Translation, ichiri kuishandura kuti NDIRI. Asi usaudze Chirungu anotaura maJW's. Ko Kayafasi aiziva kuti Jesu aitaura kuti ndiMWARI, nekuti munhu ega aive mutasvi wegore aive YHWH kana sezvakataurwa neJW's Ngoro yaJehova uyo vane dambudziko rakawanda pakuchengetana naye - Ken
Ndisingayeuki ndichiti Jesu akazvimutsa, ndakati Jesu akamutsa muviri wake saka anofanira kunge anga ari Mweya mukati memazuva matatu. Pa internet kana ukaGoogle Jesu akamutsa Jesu, vazhinji vanotenda Tiriniti. Kungotenda kwangu kuti Jesu akashanyira “mweya iri mutirongo” mukati memazuva matatu iwayo. – Ken
Ndinofara kuona mumwe munhu paforamu iyi anzwa nezvaHeiser, anoburitsa zvakawanda zvakanaka zvemukati. Makanga muri kupfurikidza naye apo ndakava anopwiswa noUtatu.
Handisi munhu anofarira murume. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUkhWBKCuXc Kunopera kwevhidhiyo iyi anoti ichi ndicho chakashata uye ndipo apo Jesu ari pamberi paKayafasi (Mateo 26:64) uye Jesu anoti “uchaona Mwanakomana. yoMunhu agere kuruoko rworudyi rwesimba, uye achiuya pamusoro pamakore okudenga”. Kayafasi aiziva kuti YHWH chete ndiye anotasva makore okudenga uye nei akatsamwa kudaro.” Unoona here kukanganisa pakufunga kwake? Tsvaga pa "gara* ruoko rwerudyi" uye unokurumidza kuona kuti hapana muRugwaro... Read more  »
Eric—Mateo 19:26—Ken
Unoreva here kuti MWARI VANOgumira neimwe nzira?
5 marofu + 2 Hove = 1000 dzechingwa + 1000's 0f Hove
J ndichishamisika kuti Zvapupu zvaimbondiudza kana uchinge wakanongedza munhu nechigunwe, panogara paine 3 zvigunwe zvakanongedza kumashure kwauri!
Ken, ZVESE?
Ini handina kukwanisa kubvumirana newe zvakanyanya, Just Wondering. Ini ndinowana izvi nguva dzese pane YouTube foramu. Ndinofunga ivo vanofunga kuti chirevo chakaenzana nekudonha kwema mic. Uyu ndiwo mumwe muenzaniso we hyperliteralism, iyo inoshatisa shoko remashoko akanaka mumaziso evasingatendi. Tora vanodavira kuti zvinhu zvakasikwa zvinoomerera pakuti mazuva matanhatu okusika aiva mazuva emaawa 6 semuenzaniso mumwe chete. Pano, inobvumira vanhu kutsoropodza Bhaibheri serisingawirirani uye rinopokanidza. Kana zvinhu zvose zvichibvira, saka zvinobvira kuti Mwari areve nhema, asi Bhaibheri rinoti ndizvo... Read more  »
Eric Ndinobvuma kuti hazvibviri kuti MWARI areve nhema, asi hazvibviri kuti MWARI ashandise munhu wemweya kureva nhema - kuti azadzise zvinangwa zvake 1Madzimambo 22:22.- Ken
JW - MWARI haana here kupa mvumo kuna Satani kuti aedze Jobho? Ndingaisa sei mhinduro pasina kukwevera ngwariro kwandiri? – Ken
Ndinofunga wakapotsa pfungwa yeJust Wondering.
J ndichinetseka kuti ndinokumbira ruregerero nemoyo wese - ndinokumbira ruregerero - Ken
Ndine urombo kuti unonzwa nenzira iyoyo Jw asi une shanduro imwe bedzi yeBhaibheri here? Ndaingotaura zvinotaurwa neBhaibheri. Ndinovenga kuunza zita raHeiser mariri zvakare asi ndanga ndisingadi kuti atambure nekutongwa kwako. Ndakanga ndisiri mukuedza kusvibisa zita raMWARI.
Ndine urombo Ken, asi ichi chikonzero chisina kunaka sezvo shanduro dzakawanda dziripo pamutsara: biblehub.com semuenzaniso.
Eric handizive j zvinoshamisa kugona pakombuta. Ndakanga ndisiri kuita zvekutsvinya. Ndakanzwa kubva pane zvataurwa pamusoro apa kuti aive achembera geezer. Nokuda kweiyi nzira yekukurukurirana zviri nyore kusanzwisisa vavariro dzevanhu. Vanhu vaigona kunyora nemavara makuru nemhaka yokusaona zvakanaka kana kuti vangada kunyora nemavara makuru uye zvingafungwa kuti vaishevedzera! Chii chinangwa chemadiro kana kusada zvinhu izvi zvaunofunga kuti zvinobatsira? Ndinovimba kuti handina chandataura chakaipa. – Ken
Ken, sei iwe uchinzwa uchida iwe kudzivirira Heiser "zvinotaridzika kwandiri sekuti akaita basa guru rekuvaka mukurumbira wake uye zita munharaunda ye "chiKristu"!
Apo varume vanoda zvibvumikiso zve“Dzidzo yaSatani” ndokuzviita vamene musimboti wengwariro kunze kwaJesu, ungatevera sei murume akadaro?
Zvinotokosha zvikuru kuti nei munhu upi noupi anotarisira kunamata Mwari mukuru Jehovha angada KUVA NEMUDZIDZISI WEMUNHU kunze kwaKristu pachake?
Ken, unotenda muutatu here?
Iyi haisi imwe yekurwiswa naEric ad hominem? Johani 10:33. VaJudha vakaita sevaifunga kuti Jesu aizviti ndiMwari.
Kana ukatarisa pana Johane 10:33 kumusoro mumutsara, uchaona kuti zvakare rusaruro rweTiriniti rwuri kuitika. Hapana chivakashure pamberi peshoko rechiGiriki rokuti Mwari. Hapana muJudha aizofunga kuti Jesu aizviti ndiJehovha. Ho Theos, Mwari. Nanhasi tine mitauro isina chivakashure. Pane mitemo pakushandura chiGiriki kuti itungamirire mushanduri zvokuti anoisa chivakashure kana chichidanwa uye kubvisa chivakashure kana chadiwa. Hatisati tichizotongoshandura Johane 1:1 muchiNgezi, kuti: “Pakutanga pakanga pane... Read more  »
On ne peut pas citer des versets en les sortant de leur contexte. Qu'à répondu Christ à Jean 10 : 33 ? 35/36 “S'il est vrai qu'elle a appelé dieux à qui la parole de Dieu a été adressée et si l'Ecriture ne peut pas être annulée, 36 comment pouvez-vous dire à celui que le Père et envoyé dans le monde: 'Tu blasphèmes', et cela parce que j'ai affirmé: 'Je SUIS LE FILS DE DIEU ?" Christ dit : 1 – il n'aurait pas été faux de dire qu'il était un dieu en raison de son autorité... Read more  »
Fani - VaJudha ndivo vaiti Jesu aizviti Mwari, kwete ini. Mubvunzo ndewokuti, Jesu chikamu chevatatu here? Pane magwaro mutestamende yekare anoita seanoratidza kuti izvi zvinobvira. Handirambi kuti izvi zvinogoneka. Ndine pfungwa dzakavhurika kune dzimwe pfungwa dzevanhu. Ndinoziva kuti Jesu Mwanakomana waMwari. Muviri waKristu unoumbwa nenhengo dzakawanda. Ndinozvinzwisisa sei izvozvo? Unonzwisisa sei izvozvo? Ndiri kungotsvaga chokwadi. Ndatenda nemhinduro yako... Read more  »
Vaitenda izvozvo zvechokwadi here kana kuti vakanga vangogumbuka kuti Jesu akanga ari tyisidziro kusimba ravo ravakatanga neboka ravo revarume?
Ani naani ari kugamuchira uye kutaura nhema netsanangudzo murevi wenhema. Kwete chaizvo. Zvinoenderana nekuti munhu wacho anoziva here kuti izvo zvavanogamuchira (uye chikamu) inhema. Kutaura nhema hakurevi kuti unonyepa. Kureva nhema iwe uchiziva kuti inhema kunoita kuti uve murevi wenhema. “Nhema” inotsanangurwa naMerriam-Webster sekutaura kwechinhu chinozivikanwa kana kutendwa nemutauri kana munyori kuti hachisi chokwadi nechinangwa chekunyengedza. Google duramazwi rinotsanangura nhema sekutaura kwenhema nemaune. Dictionary.com inotsanangura nhema sekutaura kwenhema kunoitwa na... Read more  »
Zvese zvaitaurwa naHeiser ndezvekuti zvinokwanisika kuti MWARI ave munzvimbo dzinopfuura imwe kana munhu pane imwe nguva pane magwaro mutestamende yekare asina musoro zvachose. Kana mumwe munhu asingabvumirani nemafungiro aEric akafanotaura saka anofanira kunge ari murevi wenhema.
Zvino ndiwo muenzaniso wakanaka wekurwiswa kwe ad hominem. Hausati waratidza pfungwa yako zvachose. Iwe uchangobva kuita chirevo - wakagovana maonero. Iwe zvino uri kutaura here kuti Heiser haazati ari weUtatu?
Eric ndinobvumirana newe "kuti vashumiri vaSatani vanozvipfekedza nguo dzekururama" uye ndinobvuma kuti Michael Heiser anodavira Utatu - Ken.
Ini zvirokwazvo ndinoona kukanganisa mukufunga kwako. Kutanga, isu tinofanirwa kutarisa kune yakafara mamiriro ezwi rekuti "mutasvi wegore" mukare pedyo nekumabvazuva. Ugarit yaiva muvakidzani wepedyo weIsraeri wokuchamhembe, uye vanogovana mashoko akawanda nemifananidzo. Mumagwaro echiUgarit, mwari Bhaari anonzi “uyo anotasva makore.” Rondedzero yacho yakava zita rehurumende raBhaari, uyo aionekwa nenyika dzose dzekare dziri pedyo samwari wechinzvimbo. Kuvanhu vekare muMediterranean yose, vaIsraeri kana kuti kwete, “uyo anotasva makore” akanga ari mwari—chimiro chake somufundisi.... Read more  »
Mhoro mhangura, kana pfungwa yauri kuyedza kutaura iri yekuti vaIsraeri vaisava vanonamata Mwari mumwe chete sezvinotaurwa neveUtatu, saka ndinobvuma zvachose. Bhaibheri rinodzidzisa kuti YHWH ndiye Mwari mukuru, simba rinopfuura mamwe masimba ose, manyuko oupenyu hwose. Asi harirambi kuvapo kwavamwe vamwari vangave vasina kururama kana kuti vakarurama, venhema kana kuti vechokwadi. Chinetso chinotarisana navakawanda mukuedza kunzwisisa Mwari ndechimwe chedhigirii. Vari kuedza kuisa Mwari mubhokisi rimwechete ravanoisa vamwe vamwari vose. Vari kuedza kuyera Mwari nenzira imwe cheteyo yavakashandisa... Read more  »
Mhoro Meleti Vivlon, Kwete handisi kureva kuwanda kwehumwari, kunyangwe ndichibvumirana newe kuti vaIsraeri vekare vaisava vanonamata Mwari mumwe chete, asi vaive padyo nehenotheistic mune zvavaitenda. Ndakakubvunzai mubvunzo uyu: Sei vaJudha vakaramba vachitsvaka Jesu namabwe kusvikira afa nokuda kwokumhura kwokuti akanga azviti Mwanakomana waMwari? Imhaka yekuti zita rekuti “Mwanakomana waMwari” panguva yaJesu rakanga riri zita raizivikanwa kwazvo kuna mesiya achauya waDavidi, uye nokudaro raionekwa semunhu wechipiri waYahweh. Mumutemo wechiIsraeri chimiro chega chekumhura chairangwa nerufu... Read more  »
Hi Cooper, handina chokwadi zvachose kuti pfungwa yako ndeyei, asi zvichida ndinogona kubatsira nekuratidza mafungiro ako aunoda kutanga neshanduro yakarurama yaJohani 10. Ndakapa imwe pazasi iyo yandinotenda zviri nani inoratidza mamiriro eiyo. kusangana kwaJesu nevatungamiriri vechitendero: “31 VaJudha vakanongazve matombo kuti vamutake. 32 Jesu akavapindura kuti: “Ndakakuratidzai mabasa mazhinji akanaka kwazvo anobva kuna Baba. Nderipi rebasa rauri kunditakira nematombo? 33 VaJudha vakamupindura kuti: “Hatisi kukutema nematombo nokuda kwebasa rakanaka kwazvo, asi nokuda kwokumhura Mwari; nokuti... Read more  »
Eric Urikuita nepaunogona napo kupatsanura Shoko kubva kuna MWARI, Muviri waKristu une nhengo zhinji dzine kodzero yekunzi maKristu, Humwari hune nhengo nhatu. vose vane maruramiro okudana Zita raMwari. Ndiko kunzwisisa kwangu. -Izwi rekuti Tiriniti rinodzima vanhu ipapo nekuda kwekushamwaridzana neChechi yeKatorike kana wanga uri JW. – Ken
Ini ndinongoda kuyeuchidza munhu wese kuti kana ukaratidza kuti Jesu ndiMwari, HAUNA KUTI waratidza Tiriniti. Iwe, pane zvishoma, wakaratidza hunyambiri. Vanhu vanoita sevanokanganwa izvi nguva dzose. Vanotarisa zvakanyanya pakuratidza humwari hwaKristu, uye zvese nekuti vanofunga kuti zvinosimbisa dzidziso yeTiriniti. Asi izvozvo hazvifaniri kudaro. Uye izvi zvinoenda kune avo mhiri zvakare; kana mumwe munhu achiratidza humwari hwaKristu kwauri, haumanikidzwi kubvuma Tiriniti. Vanhu vazhinji vanofunga kuti ndizvo zvazviri,... Read more  »
rajeshsony Nerukudzo rukuru ndaingoti ndiko kunzwisisa kwangu. Ndinosarudza kusaidana kuti Tiriniti ikozvino asi wakasununguka kuidaidza sezvaunoda. Hapana mubvunzo pamusoro pehuMwari hwaKristu. Asi ndinofunga kuti kune zvakawanda zvisirizvo zviri kutenderera izvo zvaita kuti zviome kubata kuti chii chinonzi “utatu”. Zvakadini kana Jesu asiri Wemasimbaose, akambotaura kuti ndiye here? Asi achine kodzero yekutakura Zita raMwari. Kana uri Mweya Mutsvene. Kana uri Mweya Mutsvene waMWARI zvino... Read more  »
Ndinobvuma kuti Mweya chikamu chaMwari, asi kufunga kwawakashandisa kusvika pamhedziso iyoyo hakuna musoro. Mumwe anogona kuve nechinhu nyore nyore pasina icho chiri chikamu chakakosha chehunhu hwavo. Semuenzaniso, ndine imbwa… Vanhu vangaidaidza kuti imbwa yaRajesh. Asi iyo imbwa haisi yemukati kune hunhu hwangu, kunyangwe ndine yangu. Asi, zvakare, ndinobvuma kuti Mudzimu waMwari chikamu Chake.
Iva nezuva rakanaka. 🙂
rajeshsony - Ndafunga kuti tiri kuita hurukuro ine hungwaru pano, urikureva here kuti pangave nembwa mumuviri waKristu dzinonzi maKristu? - Manzwisisiro angu ndeekuti nhengo nhatu dzehuMwari dzakafanana saka vese vane kodzero yekutakura Zita raMwari. Jesu akasiyana nevamwe, Mweya Mutsvene akasiyana, uye YHWH akasiyana nevamwe maererano naHeiser nedzimwe nyanzvi dzakawanda zvinoreva monogenesis kwete "akaberekwa ari oga" - Ken
Ndingadai ndakati monogenes kwete monogenesis. Ndinokumbira ruregerero. Nguva yeTestamende Itsva isati yasvika uye mukati menguva yeshoko iri raireva zvakajeka chimwe chinhu chakaita se“chakasarudzika” kana kuti “chete.” Zvisinei, zvinofadza zvikuru, uye pasina mvumo, revo yakachinjwa kuva “wakaberekwa ari mumwe oga” mumazana amakore apakuvamba echiKristu. Kukanganiswa kweizwi muVulgate yechiLatin uye kuenderera mberi kwechikanganiso muKing James Version ya1611 AD kunoita kuverenga kunofadza. Zvingaite sekuti tinazvo... Read more  »
Saka ungada kuti tidavire kuti YHWH, achida kubetsera vana vake vohunhu uye kusarudza dimikira roukama hwomwanakomana wababa uye ipapo kudana mwanakomana wake mumwe bedzi, aizokarira vana vake kusarangarira idi rokuti mwanakomana ari wose anoberekwa?
Eric Hazvisi kwandiri kuti iwe utende chero chinhu. Ndiwe wakakanda dambudziko kuti mumwe munhu atsanangure kana kuedza kutsanangura Tiriniti. Unozviziva wega hazvisi nyore kutsanangura. Ndiri kungofamba nezviri kutaurwa nevamwe vanhu. Ndaisadavira Utatu. Ndakangorangarira kuti Michael Heiser akanga ataura chimwe chinhu pamusoro peMasimba Maviri Kudenga makore apfuura. Hazvina kumbondinetsa nezveUtatu. SaCooper handifungi kuti kunzwisisa Tiriniti kwakakosha paruponeso. Ndinofunga kuti Nyasha dzaMwari nerudo zvinonyanya kukosha! Jesu akaita sei... Read more  »
Iwe Unonyora: “Handifungi kuti kunzwisisa Utatu kunokosha kuti tiponeswe.”
Ungava nemafungiro here kuti tinogona kutenda chero ipi zvayo yezvidzidzo zvebhaibheri zvinotevera uye tobva taponeswa kuti tive naKristu semadzimambo nevaprista muumambo hwekudenga?
Kudavira Utatu?
ChiArianism?
Socinianism?
ChiGnosticism?
Eric Ini ndiri munhu wepanyika, kubva pandakaona shavishavi rangu rekutanga neruva ndakatanga kuda zvisikwa zvaMwari. Ndanga ndiri mutadzi kusvika panguva ino. Handinzwisise zvinhu zvekudenga. Kana MWARI vanditendera kuti ndimutsirwe panyika kubudikidza nebasa raJesu pamuchinjikwa zvinondikwanira. – Best Wishes – Ken.
Ken mubvunzo uri nyore, ingani ye "Christian Orthodoxy" yaunonyorera kwairi? Ken? Ken? KEN? Zvinosetsa mashandisiro avanoita vese zvandinodaidza kuti “NPR Radio/Love” nzira yekuyedza kudzvanya dzidziso iyi pahuro dzevanhu uye kana vakasundidzirwa pachidzidzo "vanobhururuka"? chandinowana kuzvininipisa kwekunyomba, uye kushaikwa zvachose kwekuvhurika kudzidza chero chinhu chechokwadi! vanhu ava vanobva kuOrthodoxy vanoita sekunge vese vakarembera vachifunga kuti vanogona kukanganisa muKristu wese anodonha muJW Organisation, vanotadza kuziva kuti vazhinji vava kutungamirwa nemweya Mutsvene.... Read more  »
Zvakanaka kuva newe nesu, BobPfohl
Mhoro Ken Zvinoita sekunge vazhinji vasisiri chikamu chesangano vachiri kuchengetedza yakasimba yekutenda system. Johane 3:16 inopfupisa ruponeso rwedu mukutenda muna Kristu. Chokwadi izwi rekuti kutenda rinoreva zvinopfuura kungotenda kuti aivepo. Tinofanira kuva nokutenda uye kuonga chibayiro chake, icho chinosanganisira kuzvibata sezvatakarayirwa naJesu. Ndiri kuona Meleti Vivlon akatanga kutumidza masisitimu ekutenda uye achibvunza kuti ndeapi anozoita kuti murapi aponeswe. Sekuziva kwangu iyo chete yaisazokodzera iGnosticism sezvavanoramba kuti rufu rwaKristu rwakanga rwune... Read more  »
Kana YHWH riri zita raBaba uye Jesu riri zita romwanakomana, nderipi zita rinopiwa vose vari vatatu soutatu uye zita romudzimu mutsvene ndiani?
Pfundo rakanaka rinowanzofuratirwa mukurukurirano. Ndatenda.
ken iyo "yakachena Orthodoxy"
Ndinoona kuti kunyangwe wakazvibvisa musangano, dzimwe dzedzidziso dzavo dzichiri kudiwa kwauri. Zvakanaka, chinhu chakakosha ndechekuti isu tese takakwanisa kubuda pasi pekubata kweGB. Nokuda kwechinyorwa handifungi kuti kutenda (kana kusatenda) muTiriniti kunokosha kuti munhu aponeswe, asi ndinofunga kuti hazvina kufanira kutaura nezvenyanzvi yebhaibheri yevhangeri somurevi wenhema nemhaka bedzi yokuti anodzidzisa dzidziso yausingatendi. Ndinokurudzira nemoyo wese Alan F. Segals “Masimba Maviri Kudenga”, richiri iro basa rakanakisa renyanzvi riripo nhasi rekuronda... Read more  »
Cooper, unotenda here kuti dzidziso dzese dzesangano inhema?
Ndinotenda kuti dzidziso dzipi nedzipi dzavo dzinobva mukududzira magwaro kusina kururama, semuenzaniso kududzira pasina hanya nemagariro ekutanga, inhema. Iniwo ndinotenda kuti chero dzidziso dzavanadzo dzavanofanira kutsigira nekutaura zvisirizvo nyanzvi, kuvanza humbowo, uye kunyepa chaiko inhema zvakare. 1914 inouya mupfungwa.
Ndinobvuma, asi izvo zvingarevawo kuti Tiriniti inhema sezvo ichitsamira pakududzira kwakaipa kweRugwaro.
Ndiwo maonero ako, asi humbowo huripi? Ndataura magwaro akawanda, zvinyorwa zvemutemberi yechipiri uye targum shomanana kuratidza pfungwa yangu, iyo ndeyokuti paive nehwaro hwedzidziso yezvoutatu youtatu huripo kare Kristu asati auya, chinzvimbo icho zvino chinoitwa nevadzidzi vemazuva ano vakawanda. Uri kuvimba nemaonero echinyakare enyanzvi kubva kutanga kwezana remakore rechi20 apo nyanzvi dzakanga dzisati dzakwanisa kuwana zvakawanda zvezvinyorwa izvi, uye zvechokwadi vakanga vasinganzwisisi mamiriro emagariro azvakanyorwa. Naizvozvo nhasi tiri mune zvakawanda. nzvimbo iri nani yokunzwisisa zvaidavirwa nevaJudha vekare. Ndizvo zvatiri... Read more  »
Handina kujeka pamusoro pezvauri kureva kana uchinyora kuti ndiri kuvimba “maonero echinyakare enyanzvi kubva kutanga kwezana ramakore rechi20”. Urikupindura mashoko anotorwa kwete maonero enyanzvi zvachose. Heino mavara emhinduro yauri kupindura:
Ndinobvuma, asi izvo zvingarevawo kuti Tiriniti inhema sezvo ichitsamira pakududzira kwakaipa kweRugwaro.
Ndiri kunongedzera kubvunzurudzo dzawakava nadzo naJames Penton pamusoro poUtatu, yokutanga yadzo yakanga ine murangariro unotevera wokugovera: “Asi kubva pane zvauri kundiudza, hapana ufakazi huri muBhaibheri, kana kuti munhau yorudzidziso. rudzi rwaIsraeri Kristu asati avapo, kana kuti nzanga ipi neipi yechiKristu kusvikira kuzana ramakore rechitatu yechiratidzo chipi nechipi chakajeka choUtatu.” Penton anobva abvumirana nemashoko ako. Iri rinoita kunge dhizaini yaunoshanda kubva mune yega yega yeUtatu chinyorwa chako chandaverenga, uye nekuona seyako webhusaiti ndinofunga kuti vanhu vari pano vanofanira... Read more  »
Cooper "Chokwadi ichokwadi" uye kana iwe uchida kuvimba nekufunga kwe "varume vane tsamba" kukupa chikonzero chekuti iwe uratidze chimwe chinhu chakajeka semavambo ehutatu, uye kuyedza kuvaka zvidimbu zvidiki zvayo kuva chikamu chekufunga kwemaJuda kubva. zvakapfuura, saka zviri pauri, kana ukadzidza zvese zviri zviviri magwaro uye zvinyorwa zvenhoroondo yenyika, dzidziso yeUtatu yakauya kuburikidza naNimrodhi neBabironi, kwete kubva ku "kabala's yemaJuda ekare", yakaunzwa zvakajeka musangano rechiKristu rakaramba kutenda mushure menguva. rufu rwaJohane, ndokuzogamuchira zvakazara nekusundidzirwa nevakuru vakanaka... Read more  »
Iwe uchiri kunyorera kune pfungwa dzaAlexander Hislop? Akanyatsogadzirisa zvese izvozvo. Mifungo yake yakanga yakavakirwa pachinhu chipi nechipi chinovimbika, zvikurukuru fungidziro yake. Kunyange sangano harichamududzi zvakare. Ndinotya kuti watsauswa nemurume wematsamba iwe.
lol "Akazvigadzira zvese izvo" uye nekutaura kwakadaro (kunyepa) unoregedza zvese izvo zvinyorwa zvenhoroondo !!! lol zvakajeka kuona kuti moyo wako / pfungwa dzako dziripi!
Zvinyorwa zvenhoroondo?? Ndinokahadzika wakatarisa mumusoro wenyaya zvakanyanya, zvikasadaro ungadai usiri kuita zvirevo zvakadaro. Ndatenda nekunditi ndiri murevi wenhema. Ndichakuitirai basa rokusadzorera hama inotuka, sezvakunoratidzika kwandiri kuti munodavira zvamazvirokwazvo kuti Utatu hwakabva kuna Nimrodhi. Ndichataura kuti ndinonzwa kuti wakarasika, uye ndinovimba kuti rimwe zuva ucha“svika pazivo yakarurama yechokwadi” kuzotora mashoko ehama dzedu dzekare dzeJW. Mwari vakuropafadzei BobPfohl.
cooper Handinyatso nzwisisa kuti masimba MBIRI ari Kudenga anotsigira sei dzidziso yeTiriniti. Haizopikisa Utatu here? Dai Utatu hwaive hwechokwadi, haaizova masimba MATATU kuDenga here? Tiriniti inotaura kuti Baba, Mwanakomana, uye Mudzimu Mutsvene vose vakaenzana uye vasingagumi, zvichireva kuti hapana chimwe chazvo chine mavambo (imwe neimwe haina kusikwa) UYE kuti chimwe nechimwe chakafanana maererano nesimba nechiremera. Dai pfungwa yakadai yanga iri yechokwadi, hatingazvione here ichiratidzwa, haiwa handizivi, ishoko raMwari Bhaibheri? Kana pfungwa yaMwari ari “1 essence, 3... Read more  »
Mhoro rajeshsony VaJudha venguva yaJesu vaive nemaonero mazhinji akasiyana ekuti Mwari anoshanda sei chaizvo. Izwi rekuti "masimba maviri" raingova rimwe chete rakadaro, uye nderimwe ratine manyoro aripo kuti ridaidzwe saizvozvo. Pane mamwe manyoro anochengeta mamwe magamuchidzanwa anoratidza kuti vaJudha vazhinji vaiomerera kugadziriro yorudzidziso “vatatu mune mumwe”. Philo anonyora magamuchidzanwa akadaro, sezvakaita Origen ayo akadzidza kuna tenzi wake wechiHebheru. Kukwira kudenga kwaIsaya, gwaro rine wirirano huru namagwaro eQumran, rinotanga namashoko aIsaya kuna Hezekia achishandisa rondedzero youtatu:... Read more  »
Ndiri kuwana fungidziro yekuti kune vanotenda utatu, chero kutaurwa kwevatatu mundima imwe chete kunotsigira dzidziso yavo yese. Abrahama, Isaka, naJakobho vese vanotaurwa mundima imwechete uye vese vanogovana hunhu hwakafanana, ergo, Tiriniti.
Ndinotenda Utatu chaihwo hwekutanga hwakaumbwa nevapanduki vatatu vekutanga kuna Jehovha, uye ndiye Satani, Evha, naAdhamu, uyo aive utatu wekutanga!
Cooper: fungidziro yenhema kune ese "maKristu echokwadi" anofamba pano kuti afunge kuti nekuda kwekuti munhu akasiya "sangano" (reJWS) ravanoshuvira kana kuti vadzokere ku "Christian orthodoxy" !!! zvakapesana, maKristu echokwadi anotungamirwa nemweya wamwari kuti afambire mberi kubva mu "orthodoxy neJW Organisation" kuti vaenderere mberi kubva pakuramba kutenda kukuru uye vakanangana nekufunga kwavo kuumambo hwaJesu, munguva pfupi iri kuuya! izvi zvinoreva kufambira mberi kupfuura "Boka funga" rinobata mapoka ese ari maviri!! (2 VaTesaronika 2:3-5) 3 Ngakurege kuva nomunhu anokutsausai neimwe nzira, nokuti... Read more  »
“Kuti asimudze muviri wake anofanira kunge anga ari Mweya mukati memazuva matatu.” sei uchinzwisisa Johane 2:19 nenzira yaunonzwisisa?
Meleti Vivlon,
Ndichiri kuedza kumonerera musoro wangu kuti avo vaichimbova majdub, vachiri kufunga zvomudzimu uye vanodavira muna Mwari vari kutendeuka sei ndokugamuchira dzidziso youtatu yechiKristudhomu. Mupfungwa dzangu, zvakangofanana nekudonhedza mukomana asina kunaka kuti atore rebound pasina kana kunyatsoziva kuti ndiani. Iwe ungafunga kuti mumwe munhu ari kubva padzidziso yenhema angave asingade zvakanyanya kutora imwe ndiro uye kwete kunyatsoongorora zvese zvinongedzo kutanga. Izvi zvinomboitika sei?
Dzidziso yangu ndeyokuti kudiwa kwokuva werimwe boka, kusava ndoga, kunokurira kuda kwavo chokwadi.
Pamwe Mwari achavaregerera!
Ndine chokwadi chekuti Mwari vacharegererawo maUnitarians!
Ndine chokwadi chokuti Mwari achakanganwirawo vanodavira Utatu!
Kune varanda vana. Mumwe chete ndiye anowana mubairo unopihwa kumaKristu naJesu. Asi sezviri pachena, vaviri vavo vanowana mumwe mukana muupenyu. Petro akabva ati: “Ishe, muri kutaura mufananidzo uyu kwatiri isu chete here kana kune vese?” 42 Ishe akati: “Chokwadi ndiani mutariri akatendeka, akangwara, achagadzwa natenzi wake paboka revashandi vake kuti arambe achivapa mugove wavo wezvokudya panguva yakakodzera? 43 Anofara muranda iyeye kana tenzi wake akamuwana achiita saizvozvo paanouya! 44 Zvirokwazvo ndinoti kwamuri: Achamugadza pamusoro pezvose... Read more  »
Kana tikaita mhedziso sezvizvi "Ndine chokwadi chokuti Mwari achakanganwirawo vanodavira Utatu!” hatisi kuita “Kutonga” mumwoyo medu kuti kufunga kwakaipa kwakanaka here? uye saka chii chiri kukurudzira kutsvaga chokwadi se "parera rinokosha", Pauro akataura nezve "kusatenderwa neimwe nzira" saka isu tinofanira kuzvimisira mirairo isu kana vamwe tichifungidzira izvo Jehovha achakanganwira uye kwete kukanganwira, ndiko kuti "kutamba". Mwari” uye nekutyora murairo wekutanga!
Wadiwa BobPohl, mhinduro yangu kuna Cooper haina kuitirwa semhosva, asi zvakapesana. Munoziva, ini ndiri kure kure nekutonga chero munhu. Mhinduro yangu yaingove replica yainyatsotevera chirevo changu pamusoro, pandaisimbisa rudo. Saka (zvichida) chirevo chakavanzika chemhinduro yangu kuna Cooper ndeyerudo rwese: “Ndine chokwadi chekuti Mwari achakanganwira vanodavira Utatu zvakare!“ + „Ndine chokwadi chokuti Mwari achakanganwirawo vaUnitariani!“ = „Pamusoro pazvose, chengeta dananai zvikuru, nokuti rudo runofukidza zvivi zvizhinji. ( 1 Petro 4:8 ) Saka Cooper anoda vese veUnitarians (uye zvechokwadi vanotenda Utatu, zvakare) uye anoda... Read more  »
Mudikani wangu Frankie, Chekutanga, rudo rwangu kune vese Cooper uye unondikurudzira kuti ndikuyambirei mose pakuva vatongi pachinzvimbo chaMwari kana mwanakomana wake! Kunzwisisa kuzere uye kwakarurama “rudo” kwakakosha zvikuru mukukwanisa kwedu kuva “mumwe naMwari” uye neMwanakomana wake. Saka, ngatitarisei kumagwaro kuti atibatsire kunzwisisa zviri nani. ( Mako 8:30-33 ) 30 Ipapo akavarayira zvakasimba kuti varege kuudza munhu nezvake. 31 Uyewo, akatanga kuvadzidzisa kuti Mwanakomana womunhu anofanira kutambudzika pazvinhu zvizhinji uye kurambwa nevakuru nevakuru.... Read more  »
Wadiwa BobPfohl,
tinofanira kukanganwira mumwe nomumwe wedu rairo zvaIshe wedu:
"Nokuti kana muchikanganwira vamwe kudarika kwavo, Baba venyu vari kudenga vachakuregereraiwo” ( Mateu 6:14 )
Uyezve:
Mat 18:22; Ruka 11:4; 17:4; Johani 20:23; 2 VaK 2:10; VaE 4:32; VaKorose 3:13 .
Handichina chimwe chekutaura pamusoro peizvi. Ndapota, edza kufunga nezvekuregererwa.
Nerudo, Frankie.
Wadiwa Frankie, handioni chitadzo chiri kuitwa pano? kunze kwokuti uchiona kurangwa sechivi? Chii chaizvo chaunonzwa kuti handisi kukanganwira kana kupedzisa? ( 2 Timotio 3:8-4:5 ) 8 Zvino sezvakaita Jannesi naJambure vakadzivisa Mosesi, naizvozvo avawo vanoramba vachidzivisa zvokwadi. Varume vakadaro vane pfungwa dzakaora chose, vakarashwa pakutenda. 9Kunyange zvakadaro, havachapfuuriri mberi, nokuti upenzi hwavo huchaonekwa navanhu vose, sezvazvakanga zvakaita kuvarume vaviri vaya. 10 Asi iwe wakatevera kudzidzisa kwangu, nokufamba kwangu, nokufunga kwangu, nokutenda kwangu, nomoyo wangu... Read more  »
Wadiwa BobPohl,
Saka ndakupomera mhosva yekusaregerera? Ndakagara pachigaro chaJehovha choKutonga here? Uye chii chimwe chaunotaura pamashoko angu ari nyore kuti tikanganwirane? Chii chimwe chauri kundipomera?
Handina kumbopa munhu mhosva uye handikupi mhosvawo. Handizivi chinangwa chako.
Ndisiye! Kupera kwehurukuro.
Frankie, paunoshandisa izwi rekuti "zvangu zviri nyore" zvinoratidza kuti unoda kuzviratidza wakazvininipisa mumaziso eavo vari kuona mazwi ako, mibvunzo yako miviri yekuvhura inzira dzakangwara dzekundipomera mhosva yeKutonga "magumo" ako kwete maitiro ako, hakuna Jehovha chete kana mwanakomana wake anogona kuita izvozvo, asi maitiro ako ari pachena kwandiri, uye hauite zvayakafumura saka unofenda kusaziva uye kuramba maitiro ako uye kuedza kumisa chero imwe nhaurirano kuti ugone kusvika kune ane chokwadi. uye mhedziso yechokwadi kana kubvumirana kwechokwadi. saka, hapana... Read more  »
Ndinobvumirana zvachose!
Anodiwa Bob,
Ndinoda kukumbira ruregerero nemhinduro yangu yakasimba kune yako mhinduro. Dzimwe nguva handina zuva rakanaka, asi handigoni kutsamwa kwenguva refu. Handina kukutsamwirai zvachose, uye ndinovimba nemiwo hamuna kunditsamwira. Tinogona kuva nemafungiro akasiyana, asi chinonyanya kukosha rudo pakati pehama nehanzvadzi, iwe neni uye isu tose.
Ndinoda kukumbundira uye ndinokushuvira maropafadzo aMwari parwendo rwako kubva kuWT kuenda kuna Jesu Kristu.
Nerudo, Frankie.
Zano iri rakakodzera.
“. . .Kunyange akakutadzira kanomwe pazuva, uye akadzoka kwauri kanomwe, achiti, ‘Ndapfidza,’ unofanira kumukanganwira.” ( Ruka 17:4 ) Kunyange zvazvo akakutadzira kanomwe pazuva, akadzoka kwauri kanomwe, achiti, ‘Ndatendeuka,’ unofanira kumukanganwira.”
Tinoona kuti ruregerero harupiwi nemwoyo wese, asi semubairo wechikumbiro chekupfidza.
Wadiwa Eric, ndinofunga kuti rugwaro rwekutanga rwandataura rwakakosha: "Nekuti kana muchikanganwira vamwe kudarika kwavo, Baba venyu vari kudenga vachakukanganwiraiwo," (Mat 6:14) - asi mamwe akakoshawo. Rugwaro urwu rwuri pamusoro pechiito chaunofanira kutanga waitira mukoma wako - chakakosha. Unofanira kushingaira mukukanganwira nokuti: “… kana musingakanganwiri vamwe kudarika kwavo, Baba venyu havangakukangamwiriiwo kudarika kwenyu” (Mateo 6:15). Kana ndikasaregerera, handiregererwi. Zvisinei hazvo, Mwari vanogona kuregerera akanditadzira, kunyange kana... Read more  »
Tinofanira kuwiriranisa magwaro ose kuti tiwane kunzwisisa kuzere uye kuva pakati nepakati. Mwari haakanganwiri munhu wose. Kana zvisina kudaro, pangadai pasina kudiwa kwegungwa remoto. Chinhu chakakosha kuda kwedu kuregerera chero paine kutendeuka kwechokwadi.
Nezvazvakakosha, rudo rwese ndirwo rwandakawana kubva mukutaura kwako! Mwari vakuropafadzei mukoma.
hausi "Kutonga" Cooper nemafungiro ako? uye ichocho hachisi chinhu chine ngozi here?
Handina kutonga munhu pachinzvimbo chaMwari, ndinonamata kuti hama dzangu dzose dzirambe dziri munzira nhete inoenda kuupenyu.
pasina kutendeuka?
Izvi ndizvo zvandinodaidza kuti "boka Funga" yakasungirirwa mukupwanya pfungwa kwasatani kwakabatana nezvinhu zvakawanda: utatu = boka re3, democracy = kuteerera kune ruzhinji rweboka, (zvinova hunyanzvi hwaishandiswa naRutherford. kutonga kweboka reVadzidzi veBhaibheri), ichi chinodiwa uye hurongwa hwemagariro Satani akagadzira munharaunda matiri zvinosimudzirwa zvakanyanya nenzanga uye kuvimbika kuri kuboka nevatungamiriri veboka, izvi zvakaitwa nehungwaru kwazvo naRutherford kutanga muna 1917 mabhuku aakanyora. yainyorwa nokugara ichitaura “Mwari” Kana kuti “Jehovha” ipapo... Read more  »
"muverengi anozopedzisira aona zvinhu zviviri zvakaparadzana zvakaenzana "Mwari" uye "sangano" uku ndiko kushandisa kwakangwara kweboka. Muenzaniso wazvino uye pamwe muhombe weiyi waive Chinyorwa 39 cheSeptember 2021 Nharireyomurindi, "Kana Mudiwa Akasiya Jehovha". Muchinyorwa chese, kudzingwa/kurambana nesangano kwakaenzana ne “kusiya Jehovha”. Ini handina chokwadi chekuti kana chinyorwa chacho chinototaura nezve "kusiya sangano" kamwe. Handifungi kuti zvinoita. Rinongoti “kusiya Jehovha”. Hameno kuti zvafamba sei. Mupfungwa dzeJW, kusiya sangano kwakafanana... Read more  »
vepachokwadi, Kana mutsvaki wechokwadi wapachokwadi, munhu, ari chapupu chaJehovha nemhaka yokuti vanodavira kuti “zvokwadi yaMwari” inowanwa bedzi mukati meganhuriro dzesangano iroro ravanhu, uye ipapo anonangana nebviro yokuti ikoko hakusi kwechokwadi, ipapo ivo Iva nesarudzo yakaoma kuita, zvinovaedza kuti rudo rwechokwadi kuna Mwari rwakaita sei vs kuzvida iwe kana vamwe (boka). vazhinji vanoda boka rinofunga nezvaMwari, uye kana "vakadzingwa muJWS" vanotsvaga kugamuchirwa neBoka pane kuziva Chipo chaicho chinobva kuna Mwari mukudzingwa.... Read more  »
BobPfohl,
Iyi mifungo nokurangarira zvinobva muMagwaro zvinopenya. Ndichavabira zvisinganyadzise vhidhiyo yekupedzisira mumutambo weutatu. ?
Iko hakuna kunyara mukushanda pamwe chete, ini ndiri mutendi mukuru muSynergy, uye kana ukakanda mweya mutsvene waMwari zvakanaka zvakawanda zvinogona kuitwa! Ndine zvinhu zvakawanda zvandinoda kugovana newe nevamwe vakaungana pano! Tinogona kuzvirumbidza muEvhangeri yechokwadi: ( 1 Vakorinde 9:15-18 ) 15 Asi handina kumboshandisa kana chimwe cheizvi [zvipo]. Zvirokwazvo, handina kunyora zvinhu izvi kuti zvive zvakadaro kwandiri, nokuti zvaiva nani kwandiri kuti ndife pane—hakuna munhu achanditsanangurira.... Read more  »
Ipo veBeroean Picket Bible & Tract Society vari kunetsana pakati pavo, mapengo anomhanyisa nyika arikuzama kufunga kuti ndeapi maguta aachadonhedza nyuki!!
Sei muchitaura muchitizvidza kudaro?
Eric - Nekuti zvinyorwa nemavhidhiyo zvaunogadzira zvinogara zvichikonzera kupatsanura pamwe iwe une chimwe chikonzero chakadzika chekunongedza Nharireyomurindi nguva dzese panzvimbo yekuisa pfungwa pazvinhu zvakanaka sedzimwe nzvimbo dzakawanda dze "Orthodox" dzechiKristu. Ndiwo maonero angu chete- Munhu anofanira kuwedzera. - !
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( Mateu 10:33-35 ) . . .. 34 Musafunga kuti ndakauya kuzounza rugare panyika; handina kuuya kuzounza rugare, asi bakatwa. 35 Nokuti ndakauya kupesanisa munhu nababa vake, mwanasikana naamai vake, nomuroora navamwene vake;
Kuparadzana migumisiro yevanhu vanoenda zvinopesana nemutemo waMwari uye avo vanoedza kuzvibatanidza ivo pachavo naMwari!
Hongu, Ken kana usiri kufarira ari kufambira mberi kupfuura "Orthodoxy" gara nayo, uye kufa nayo!
Uri “pamepu yose” sei muchishuvo chako chikuru choku“bvisa chitima ichi”!
Eric - Nei uchitaura zvinozvidza vatungamiriri veWBTS kunyangwe ingave yakafukidzwa zvishoma. Munonditsiura nei? Uri kushandisa ip logger here? Sei vanhu vese vachishandisa aliases? Chii chavanotya? Mateu 10:37. – Ken
Saka mubvunzo wangu waive wekukubvunza kuti sei uchitaura zvinotizvidza uye mhinduro yako yanga iri yekupomera dzimwe mhosva dzinoshoreka???
Kana musiri kufara pano, sei muchiramba muchiuya?
1) Ndinoita saizvozvo nechikonzero chimwe chete icho Jesu akataura achizvidza pamusoro pevatungamiriri vezvitendero venguva yake. Une dambudziko nazvo here? 2) Unotenda here kutsiura mumwe munhu nguva dzose zvakaipa? 3) Handina chokwadi chekuti IP logger chii, asi ini handishandise imwe. Handizivi kuti sei uchifunga kuti ndingatoda imwe. 4)Tinoshandisa zvidhoma pano nekuti tiri kuedza kunzvenga kutambudzwa. (Ndiri kufungidzira kuti hausati wambove weJW.) 5) Ini handigamuchire mamiriro emubvunzo wako. Zvinoita sekuti ndikakubvunza wakamira rinhi... Read more  »
Eric Kana mukandibvumira kuti ndipindure zvamataura ndisingarambidzwe 1) Vatungamiriri vezvitendero vakaona kana kuziva kuti Jesu aiita zvishamiso. Ini handiyeuke iyo GB ichiita chero zvishamiso kunze kwekunge iwe uchigona kuverenga nekukurumidza kuvaka. 2) Handitendi kuti kutsoropodza kunogara kwakashata asi ndakubvunza kuti sei wanga uchinditsiura kuburikidza neemail uye ndaifunga kuti ndaiva nekodzero yemhinduro. 3) Iwe unotaura mumitemo yako kuti kana mumwe munhu akadzimwa kunze haazo "kurondwa" uye iwe pachako wakati iwe wakanyora software uye iwe unoziva programming. Ndakakubvunza chete kana... Read more  »
Makandibvunza kuti sei ndichitaura zvinozvidza nezveGB uye ndakapindura kuti ndinozviita nechikonzero chimwe chete icho Jesu akataura achizvidza vatungamiriri vezvitendero vemazuva ano. Ini ipapo ndakatarisira kuti iwe upindure mubvunzo wangu, asi panzvimbo pezvo, wakauya neichi chinovhiringidza chikamu chekufunga:
1) Vakuru vezvitendero vakaona kana kuziva kuti Jesu aiita zvishamiso. Ini handiyeuke iyo GB ichiita chero zvishamiso kunze kwekunge iwe uchigona kuverenga nekukurumidza kuvaka.
Ko iyo GB yekusaita zvishamiso inei chekuita nechero chinhu?
2) Iwe ungadai wakave nekodzero yemhinduro kana chirevo chako chaiva chechokwadi, asi zvakare uri kushanda pane imwe nzvimbo yenhema. Heino tsanangudzo ye "censure".
"taura kusatendera kwakanyanya kwe (mumwe munhu kana chimwe chinhu), kunyanya muchirevo chepamutemo."
Sekuziva kwangu handina kumbokuitirai izvozvo asi kana zvisirizvo ndiratidzei kwandaita.
4)Sei une hurombo nezvemutemo mutsva? Ibasa rakawandisa here kuisa zvinyorwa zvemareferensi ako kuchengetedza vaverengi vako basa rekuzvitsvaga? Iwe wakanyora mukuvhara "Kana uine rudo rwakadzama kwazvo Eric saka uchatendera mhinduro iyi - Zvakanakisa Wishes - Ken" Ndabvumira mhinduro dzako dzese kusvika nhasi, handiti? Unorevesa kuti handizivi mamiriro ako ezvinhu kana mwero wezivo yako yeBhaibheri, saka nditendere nditsanangure kuti kana ndichiti “rudo rwakadzama”, ndanga ndichireva rudo rweagape, urwo rwunogara ruripo.... Read more  »
Eric - Nerukudzo kwete hauna. “Kana musiri kufara pano, sei muchiramba muchiuya?” Ndakapindura "Pamwe wanga uine "Chokwadi". Hazvina kumboonekwa kunyangwe ndakawana email ichiti wazvibvumira. Naizvozvo wakanditsiura zvakapesana nezvawakanga wati, “Ini handisi kukushora”. Ndakubvunza kuti chii chakasiyana pakati pekutsiura neapproval. Hauna kumbopindura mubvunzo iwoyo. Kutsiura uye kusatenderwa ndiwo anoreva zvakafanana Kana ndichifanira kuwana mvumo yako (iyo webhusaiti yako yauinayo iyo kodzero) ipapo kana wangoramba ipapo iwe... Read more  »
Wakanyunyuta pamusoro pekushorwa pandakakuisa mumutsara wemvumo. Iko hakusi kushora. Ndakapasa zvese zvaunotaura zvandainzwa kuti hazvisi kutyora nhungamiro yeforum. Vamwe vakatyora mirau-senge iyi-asi ndakavapfuudza zvakadaro.
Ken, unoita sewakajeka kwandiri uye nekusatya kutsanangura izvo kwauri, Unogara uchitanga mameseji ako nekutaura senge "Neruremekedzo", "Nezvezvazvinofanirwa", "Handina Kutonga" nezvimwe. izvi zvinodaidzwa kuti “virtue signing”! rakagadzirirwa kuita kuti vanhu vakuone so“munhu ane hunhu!” chinetso naikoko ndechokuti unogara uchizvizivisa umene kunaka ikoko mauri umene panzvimbo pokurega vateereri vako vazvisarudzire kupfurikidza namashoko ako nezviito, (ndiko mutoo wokuzvirumbidza mauri umene)! kozouya kurwisa kwako, kwagara kwakagadzirirwa kupenda munhu wauri kukakavadzana naye sa... Read more  »
Hapana Alias pano?, Ko nezve "zita rako rakazara pachena" Ken? Ken uku ndiko kutya kwaunofanirwa kuve nako !! ( Muparidzi 3:14 ) 14 Ndava kuziva kuti zvinhu zvose zvinoitwa naMwari wechokwadi zvichagara nokusingaperi. Hapana chekuwedzera pazviri uye hapana chekubvisa pachiri. Mwari wechokwadi akazviita kuti zviitike, kuti vanhu vamutye. Muparidzi 12:13-14 13 Pashure pokunge zvinhu zvose zvanzwiwa, mhedziso yenyaya yacho ndeiyi: Itya Mwari wechokwadi uchengete mirayiro yake, nokuti izvi ndizvo zvose zvinosungirwa kuti munhu aite. 14 Nokuti Mwari wechokwadi achatonga mabasa ose, kusanganisira akavanzika... Read more  »
ken: kupomera kwako kushandisa "ip logger" kunoratidzika kunge kwedhimoni!
( Genesisi 3:4, 5 ) . . .Nyoka ikabva yati kumukadzi: “Chokwadi hamungafi. 5 Nokuti Mwari anoziva kuti zuva ramuchaudya, maziso enyu achasvinudzwa uye muchava vakafanana naMwari, muchiziva zvakanaka nezvakaipa.”
kushandiswa kwakashata kwe "simba reMazano" !!
Ken, chaunoti “Kuitirana nharo pakati pavo” sokunge “chinhu chakaipa” kuva nekurukurirano youbati ushe hwaMwari “inovaka” rugwaro runorondedzera somuitiro unodikanwa nokuda kwavarume vakabatana mukuva nenharidzano yokuwana zvokwadi kuti vagone kusangana. uye kukurukura uye kubvumira “mudzimu mutsvene” kuti uvatungamirire kuwirirano yakafanira! pachinzvimbo, unoedza kukanganisa muitiro iwoyo ne“hondo yaSatani” inotsauswa iyo “maKristu echokwadi” anofanira kugara kure nawo! Tinovimba naMwari wedu Mukuru Jehovha noMwanakomana wake, kuti vachava nechokwadi chokuti kuda kwake nedonzo zvichaitika panguva chaiyo yakarongwa... Read more  »