ʻO nā alakaʻi haipule o ka ʻIseraʻela nā ʻenemi o Iesū. ʻO kēia mau kāne i manaʻo iā lākou iho he naʻauao a me ka naʻauao. ʻO lākou nā kānaka aʻo a aʻo ʻia nō hoʻi o ka lāhui a nānā i lalo i ka lehulehu lehulehu ma ke ʻano he kanaka mahiʻai ʻole i aʻo ʻia. ʻO ka mea kupanaha, ʻo ka poʻe maʻamau a lākou i hana ʻino ai me ko lākou mana i nānā iā lākou ma ke ʻano he alakaʻi a alakaʻi alakaʻi ʻuhane. Ua mahalo ʻia kēia mau kāne.
ʻO kekahi o nā kumu i inaina ai kēia mau alakaʻi ʻepekema a naʻaupō hoʻi iā Iesū no ka hoʻohuli ʻana i kēia mau hana kuʻuna. Hāʻawi ʻo Iesū i ka mana i ka poʻe liʻiliʻi, i ke kanaka maʻamau, i ka lawaiʻa, a i ka luna ʻauhau hoʻowahāwahā ʻia, a i ka wahine hoʻokamakama hoʻowahāwahā ʻia. Ua aʻo ʻo ia i ka poʻe maʻamau i ka noʻonoʻo no lākou iho. Koke, ʻaʻa ka poʻe maʻalahi i kēia mau alakaʻi, e hōʻike ana iā lākou he poʻe hoʻokamani.
ʻAʻole i aloha ʻo Iesū i kēia mau kāne, no ka mea, ua ʻike ʻo ia i ka mea nui i ke Akua ʻaʻole i kāu aʻo ʻana, a me ka mana o kou lolo akā ʻo ka hohonu o kou puʻuwai. Hiki iā Iēhova ke hāʻawi iā ʻoe i ke aʻo hou aʻe a me ka ʻike hou aku, akā na ʻoe ia e hoʻololi i kou puʻuwai. ʻO ka makemake manuahi kēlā.
No kēia kumu i ʻōlelo ai ʻo Iesū penei:
"Ke hoʻomaikaʻi aku nei au iā ʻoe, e ka Makua, ka Haku o ka lani a me ka honua, no ka mea, ua hūnā ʻoe i kēia mau mea i ka poʻe naʻauao a me ka poʻe i aʻo ʻia, ʻAe, e ka Makua, no ka mea ʻo kāu makemake kēia. ” (Mataio 11:25, 26) Mai ka Holman Study Bible kēlā mea.
Loaʻa iā mākou kēia mana, kēia mana mai iā Iesū, ʻaʻole pono mākou e hoʻolei. A ʻo ia nō ka ʻano o nā kānaka. E nānā i ka mea i hana ʻia i loko o ke anaina ma Korinto kahiko. Ua kākau ʻo Paul i kēia ʻōlelo aʻoaʻo:
"Akā e hoʻomau wau i ka hana aʻu e hana nei, i mea e hoʻohaʻahaʻa ai i ka poʻe makemake i ka manawa kūpono e manaʻo ʻia e like me kā mākou i nā mea a lākou e kaena ai. No ka mea, he poʻe lunaʻōlelo wahaheʻe lākou, he lawehana hoʻopunipuni, e hoʻoliʻiliʻi hou aʻe me he mau lunaʻolelo na Kristo. (2 Korinto 11:12, 13 Berean Study Bible)
ʻO lākou nā mea a Paulo i kapa ai he "lunaʻōlelo nui". Akā ʻaʻole ia e kū me lākou. Papa aku ʻo ia ma hope i nā lālā o ka ʻaha ʻo Korineto:
No ka mea, hoʻomanawanui ʻoe i ka poʻe naʻaupō me ka hauʻoli. ʻO ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, hoʻomanawanui ʻoe i nā mea e hoʻokauwāwā iā ʻoe a hoʻohana paha iā ʻoe a i hoʻohana ʻia paha iā ʻoe a i hoʻokiʻekiʻe iā ia iho a i ʻole kuʻi iā ʻoe i kou alo. " (2 Korinto 11:19, 20 BSB)
ʻIke ʻoe, ma nā ana o kēia lā, he kanaka hoʻomanawanui ʻole ka ʻApostol Paul. ʻAʻole ʻo ia i ka mea a mākou e kapa aku ai he "polikika pololei", ʻo ia? I kēia mau lā, makemake mākou e noʻonoʻo ʻaʻole ia he mea nui i ka mea āu e manaʻoʻiʻo ai, ʻoiai ke aloha ʻoe a hana maikaʻi i nā poʻe ʻē aʻe. Akā ke aʻo nei i ka poʻe wahaheʻe, aloha? Ke hana hoʻopunipuni nei paha ka poʻe e pili ana i ke ʻano maoli o ke Akua, e hana maikaʻi? ʻAʻole pili ka ʻoiaʻiʻo? Ua manaʻo ʻo Paul. ʻO ia ke kumu i kākau ai ʻo ia i nā huaʻōlelo ikaika.
No ke aha lākou e ʻae ai i kekahi e hoʻokauwā iā lākou, a hoʻohana iā lākou, a hoʻohana iā lākou i nā manawa āpau e hoʻokiʻekiʻe iā ia iho ma luna o lākou? No ka mea ʻo ia ka mea a mākou mau lawehala lawehala e hana ai. Makemake mākou i kahi alakaʻi, a inā ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke ʻike i ke Akua ʻike ʻole ʻia me nā maka o ka manaʻoʻiʻo, e hele mākou no ke alakaʻi kanaka ʻike nui ʻia e like me ka loaʻa o nā pane āpau. Akā e hōʻino mau kēlā iā mākou.
No laila pehea mākou e pale ai i kēlā ʻano maʻamau? ʻAʻole maʻalahi ia.
Ua ao mai ʻo Paulo iā mākou e ʻaʻahu ana kēlā mau kāne iā lākou iho i nā kapa o ka pono. He poʻe maikaʻi lākou. No laila, pehea mākou e hōʻalo ai i ka lapuwale? ʻĀ, e noi wau iā ʻoe e noʻonoʻo i kēia: inā e hōʻike ʻo Iēhova i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo i nā pēpē a i nā keiki liʻiliʻi, pono iā ia e hana i kahi ala e hiki ai i kēlā naʻau ʻōpio ke hoʻomaopopo. Inā ʻo ke ala wale nō e maopopo ai i kekahi mea ka mea naʻauao a me ka naʻauao a me ka naʻau maikaʻi e haʻi iā ʻoe pēlā, ʻoiai ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke ʻike iā ʻoe iho, no laila ʻaʻole ia he kamaʻilio a ke Akua. He maikaʻi ke haʻi aku kekahi iā ʻoe i nā mea, akā i ka hopena, pono maʻalahi a akaka ka lawa e loaʻa ai i kahi keiki.
E hōʻike wau i kēia. He aha ka ʻoiaʻiʻo maʻalahi e pili ana i ke ʻano o Iesū hiki iā ʻoe ke hōʻiliʻili mai nā palapala aʻe aʻe mai ka English Standard Version?
Aohe mea i pii i ka lani, o ka mea wale no i iho mai mai ka lani mai, o ke Keiki a ke kanaka. (Ioane 3:13)
No ka mea, ʻo ka berena a ke Akua, ka mea i iho mai mai ka lani mai a hāʻawi i ke ola i ko ke ao nei. (Ioane 6:33)
No ka mea, aole au i iho mai mai ka lani mai e hana i koʻu makemake, aka i ka makemake o ka mea nana au i hoouna mai. (Ioane 6:38)
"A laila, inā ʻoe e ʻike i ke Keiki a ke kanaka e piʻi aʻe ana i kona wahi ma mua?" (Ioane 6:62)
“No lalo ʻoe; No luna wau. No ke ao oukou; ʻAʻole wau no kēia ao. " (Ioane 8:23)
"He ʻoiaʻiʻo, he ʻoiaʻiʻo kaʻu e ʻōlelo aku nei iā ʻoe, ma mua o ʻAberahama, ʻo wau nō." (Ioane 8:58)
Mai ka Makua mai au i hele mai i ke ao nei: a ke haʻalele nei au i ke ao nei a e hele aku i ka Makua. (Ioane 16:28)
"ʻĀnō hoʻi, e ka Makua, e hoʻonani mai iaʻu i mua o kou alo me ka hanohano aʻu i noho ai me ʻoe ma mua o ka honua." (Ioane 17: 5)
Ma hope o ka heluhelu ʻana i kēlā mau mea āpau, ʻaʻole anei ʻoe e hoʻoholo i kēia mau Palapala Hemolele āpau e hōʻike ana aia ʻo Iesū i ka lani ma mua o kona hiki ʻana mai i ka honua? ʻAʻole ʻoe e pono i kahi kekelē e ʻike i kēlā, ʻeā? I ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, inā ʻo kēia nā paukū mua loa āu i heluhelu ai mai ka Baibala, inā ʻoe he newbie piha i ka hoʻopaʻa haʻawina Baibala, ʻaʻole anei ʻoe e hōʻea i ka hopena ua iho mai ʻo Iesū Kristo mai ka lani mai; ua noho ʻo ia ma ka lani ma mua o ka hānau ʻia ʻana ma ka honua?
ʻO ka ʻike maʻalahi o ka ʻōlelo ka mea e pono ai a hiki i kēlā ʻike.
Eia nō naʻe, aia kekahi e aʻo nei ʻaʻole i ola ʻo Iesū ma ke ʻano he mea ola i ka lani ma mua o ka hānau ʻia ʻana ma ke ʻano he kanaka. Aia kekahi kula manaʻo i ka hoʻomana Kalikiano i kapa ʻia ʻo Socinianism, a i waena o nā mea ʻē aʻe, ke aʻo nei ʻaʻole ʻo Iesū ma mua i ka lani. ʻO kēia aʻo ʻana he ʻāpana ia o kahi theology nontrinitarian e hoʻi ana i ka 16th a me 17th kenekulia, i kapa ʻia ma hope o nā Italia ʻelua i hele pū mai me ia: ʻo Lelio lāua ʻo Fausto Sozzini.
I kēia lā, hoʻolaha kekahi mau pūʻulu Karistiano liʻiliʻi e like me nā Christadelphians. Hiki iā ia ke ʻoluʻolu i nā hōʻike a Iēhova e haʻalele nei i ka hui e ʻimi nei i kahi hui hou e launa pū. ʻAʻole makemake lākou e hui pū me kahi hui e manaʻoʻiʻo i ke Trinity, pili pinepine lākou i nā hale pule nontrinitary, aʻo kekahi o lākou e aʻo nei i kēia aʻo. Pehea e wehewehe ai i kēlā mau pūʻulu i nā palapala hemolele a mākou i heluhelu ai?
Hoʻāʻo lākou e hana i kēlā me kahi mea i kapa ʻia ʻo "notional or conceptual orist". E ʻōlelo lākou i ka wā a Iesū i noi aku ai i ka Makua e hoʻonani iā ia me ka hanohano i loaʻa iā ia ma mua o ka honua, ʻaʻole ʻo ia e pili ana i ke ʻano maoli a e ʻoliʻoli nei me ka nani me ke Akua. Akā, ke kuhikuhi nei ʻo ia i ka manaʻo a i ʻole ka manaʻo o ka Kristo i ka manaʻo o ke Akua. ʻO ka nani i loaʻa iā ia ma mua o ka honua ma ka manaʻo o ke Akua wale nō, a i kēia manawa makemake ʻo ia e loaʻa ka hanohano a ke Akua i manaʻo ai nona i kēlā manawa e hāʻawi ʻia iā ia ma ke ʻano he mea ola. I nā huaʻōlelo ʻē aʻe, "E ke Akua āu i ʻike ai ma mua o koʻu hānau ʻia ʻana e ʻoliʻoli wau i kēia hanohano, no laila ʻānō e hāʻawi mai iaʻu i ka uku āu i mālama ai noʻu i kēia manawa a pau."
Nui nā pilikia me kēia theology kikoʻī, akā ma mua o ko mākou komo ʻana i kekahi o ia mau mea, makemake wau e nānā i ka pilikia nui, ʻo ia ka ʻōlelo a ke Akua i hāʻawi ʻia i nā pēpē, nā pēpē, a me nā keiki liʻiliʻi, akā hōʻole ʻia i ka naʻauao , naʻauao, a kanaka aʻo. ʻAʻole ia he manaʻo ʻaʻole hiki i ke kanaka akamai a aʻo maikaʻi hoʻi ke hoʻomaopopo i kēlā ʻoiaʻiʻo. ʻO ka mea a Iesū e kuhikuhi nei, ʻo ia ka naʻau naʻau haʻaheo o nā kānaka aʻo o kona mau lā i hoʻopūʻiwa i ko lākou mau noʻonoʻo i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o ka ʻōlelo a ke Akua.
ʻO kahi laʻana, inā ʻoe e wehewehe nei i kahi keiki ua noho ʻo Iesū ma mua o ka hānau ʻia ʻana he kanaka, e hoʻohana ʻoe i ka ʻōlelo a mākou i heluhelu ai. Inā naʻe, makemake ʻo ia e haʻi i kēlā keiki ʻaʻole ola ʻo Iesū ma mua o kona hānau ʻia ʻana he kanaka, akā aia ʻo ia ma ke ʻano he manaʻo i ka manaʻo o ke Akua, ʻaʻole ʻoe e ʻōlelo pēlā ma kēlā ʻano, ʻeā? He mea hoʻopunipuni loa kēlā i ke keiki, ʻeā? Inā ʻoe e hoʻāʻo nei e wehewehe i ka manaʻo o ka noho notional, a laila pono ʻoe e ʻike i nā huaʻōlelo maʻalahi a me nā kumumanaʻo e haʻi i kēlā i ka manaʻo kamaliʻi. Hiki i ke Akua ke hana i kēlā, ʻaʻole naʻe. He aha ka mea i haʻi mai iā mākou?
Inā mākou e ʻae iā Socinianism, pono mākou e ʻae i ka hāʻawi ʻana o ke Akua i kāna mau keiki i ka manaʻo hewa a he 1,500 mau makahiki ka lōʻihi ma mua o ka piʻi ʻana o kekahi ʻepekema Italia ʻepekema naauao me ka manaʻo maoli.
ʻO ke Akua paha he mea kamaʻilio weliweli, a ʻo Leo lāua ʻo Fausto Sozzini e hana nei ma ke ʻano he kāne naʻauao, aʻo ʻia a naʻaupō hoʻi, e ka hoʻopiha ʻana iā lākou iho. ʻO ia ka mea i hoʻonāukiuki i nā lunaʻōlelo nui o ko Paulo lā.
ʻIke ʻoe i ka pilikia maʻamau? Inā makemake ʻoe i kekahi mea ʻoi aku ka ʻike, ʻoi aku ka naʻauao a me ka naʻauao ma mua ou e wehewehe i kahi mea maʻalahi mai ka Palapala Hemolele, a laila e lilo ana paha ʻoe i mea like me ka manaʻo a Paul i hoʻohewa ai i nā lālā o ka ʻaha o Corinto.
E like paha me kāu e ʻike ai inā e nānā ana ʻoe i kēia kahawai, ʻaʻole wau i pili i ke Kahikolu. Eia nō naʻe, ʻaʻole ʻoe e hoʻokahuli i ke aʻo ʻana o ke Trinity me nā aʻo wahaheʻe ʻē aʻe. Ke hoʻāʻo nei nā hōʻike a Iēhova e hana i kēlā me kā lākou aʻo wahaheʻe ʻana he ʻānela wale nō ʻo Iesū, ʻo ka ʻekela nui Mikaela. Ke hoʻāʻo nei nā Socinians e kūʻē i ke Trinity me ke aʻo ʻana ʻaʻole ʻo Iesū ma mua. Inā hele ʻo ia ma ke ʻano he kanaka, a laila ʻaʻole hiki iā ia ke lilo i ʻekolu o ke Trinity.
ʻO nā manaʻo paio i hoʻohana ʻia e kākoʻo i kēia aʻo e koi iā mākou e nānā ʻole i kekahi mau ʻoiaʻiʻo. ʻO kahi laʻana, e kuhikuhi nā Socinians iā Ieremia 1: 5 e heluhelu ana "Ma mua o kaʻu hana ʻana iā ʻoe i loko o ka ʻōpū ua ʻike wau iā ʻoe, ma mua o kou hānau ʻia ʻana ua hoʻokaʻawale wau iā ʻoe; Ua hoʻonoho wau iā ʻoe i kāula i nā lāhui kanaka.
Maanei ua ʻike mākou ua hoʻoholo mua ʻo Iēhova ke Akua i ka mea a Ieremia e noho a hana ai, ma mua o kona hāpai ʻia ʻana. ʻO nā manaʻo e hoʻāʻo nei ʻo Socinians e hana ʻo ia ka wā a Iēhova e manaʻo ai e hana i kahi mea maikaʻi e like me ka hana. No laila, ua like ka manaʻo i ka manaʻo o ke Akua a me ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o kāna hoʻokō ʻana. No laila, aia ʻo Ieremia ma mua o kona hānau ʻana.
Ke ʻae nei i kēlā noʻonoʻo e koi iā mākou e ʻae iā Ieremia a me Iesū ma ka manaʻo a i ʻole ka manaʻo like. Pono lākou e hana no kēia. ʻO ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, e ʻae mai nā Socinians iā mākou ua ʻike ākea ʻia kēia manaʻo a ʻae ʻia ʻaʻole wale e nā Kalikiano mua, akā e nā Iudaio pū kekahi i ʻike i ka manaʻo o ka noho notional.
ʻAe, ʻo ka mea e heluhelu ana i ka Palapala Hemolele e ʻike ia i ka hiki i ke Akua ke ʻike i ke kanaka, akā he lele nui ia e ʻōlelo i ka ʻike mua i kekahi mea e like me ke ola. Ua wehewehe ʻia ka noho ʻana ma ke ʻano he "ʻoiaʻiʻo a i ʻole ke kūlana o ka noho ʻana [o ka noho ʻana] a i ʻole he pahuhopu [kumuhana] maoli". Aia i ka manaʻo o ke Akua ka mea ʻoiaʻiʻo ʻoi loa. ʻAʻole ʻoe e ola. He ʻike maoli ʻoe i ko ke Akua manaʻo. He kumuhana kēlā — kekahi mea ma waho ou. Eia nō naʻe, hiki mai ka mea maoli ke ʻike ʻia ʻoe i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo. E like me kā Descartes i ʻōlelo kaulana ai: "Manaʻo wau no laila ʻo wau".
I ka wā a Iesū i ʻōlelo ai ma Ioane 8:58, "Ma mua o ka hānau ʻana o ʻAberahama, ʻo wau nō!" ʻAʻole ʻo ia e ʻōlelo e pili ana i kahi manaʻo i ka manaʻo o ke Akua. "Manaʻo wau, no laila wau". E kamaʻilio ana ʻo ia e pili ana i kona ʻike ponoʻī. Maopopo i ka poʻe Iudaio iā ia ke ʻano o ia mea i maopopo ai i kā lākou ʻōlelo ponoʻī: "ʻAʻole ʻoe i kanalima nā makahiki, a ua ʻike anei ʻoe iā ʻAberahama?" (Ioane 8:57)
ʻAʻole hiki i kahi manaʻo a manaʻo paha i ka manaʻo o ke Akua ke ʻike i kekahi mea. E lawe i kahi noʻonoʻo noʻonoʻo, kahi mea ola e "ʻike iā ʻAberahama".
Inā pili mau ʻoe i ka manaʻo Socinian o ka noho notional, e lawe kāua i kāna hopena maikaʻi. I kā mākou hana ʻana pēlā, e ʻoluʻolu e hoʻomanaʻo i ka nui o ka hoops ʻike e lele i loko e hana i kahi hana aʻo e lawe iā mākou i kahi mamao a mamao loa mai ka manaʻo o ka ʻoiaʻiʻo i hōʻike ʻia i nā pēpē a me nā keiki liʻiliʻi a ʻoi aku i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo. hooleia i ka poe naauao a naauao.
E hoʻomaka kākou me Ioane 1: 1-3.
I kinohi ka Logou, me ke Akua ka Logou, a o ka Logou ke Akua. 2 Aia no ia i ke Akua i kinohi. 3 Hana iho la na mea a pau i ka hanaia e ia: a i hana ole ia e ia ka mea i hana ole ia. (Ioane 1: 1-3 BSB)
I kēia manawa ʻike wau i ka hoʻopaʻapaʻa o ka paukū mua i hoʻopaʻapaʻa nui ʻia ai a ma ka grammatically, ʻae ʻia nā unuhi ʻē aʻe. ʻAʻole wau makemake e komo i kahi kūkākūkā o ke Trinity i kēia manawa, akā no ka maikaʻi, eia nā unuhi ʻē aʻe: “
"A he akua ka Logou" - The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed (JL Tomanec, 1958)
"No laila, he akua ka Logou" - The Original New Testament, na Hugh J. Schonfield, 1985.
Ke manaʻoʻiʻo nei ʻoe he akua ke Logos, ʻo ke Akua ponoʻī, a i ʻole he akua ʻē aʻe mai ke Akua ka makuakāne o kākou āpau — he akua hānau hānau wale nō e like me kā John 1:18 i hoʻokomo ai i loko o kekahi mau kākau lima - paʻa mau ʻoe me ka wehewehe ʻana i kēia me kahi Socinian. ʻO ke ʻano o ko Iesū manaʻo i ka manaʻo o ke Akua i kinohi he akua a akua paha ʻoiai aia wale nō i ka manaʻo o ke Akua. A laila aia ka paukū 2 e hoʻopīpī i nā mea hou aʻe ma ka ʻōlelo ʻana he akua kēia manaʻo. I ka interlinear, pros tona pili i kekahi mea "i ka pili a i ʻole ke alo ʻana, a i ʻole ke neʻe ʻana i" ke Akua. ʻAʻole paʻakikī kēlā me ka manaʻo i loko o ka manaʻo o ke Akua.
Hoʻohui ʻia, ua hana ʻia nā mea āpau e kēia manaʻo, no kēia manaʻo, a ma o kēia manaʻo.
E noʻonoʻo e pili ana i kēlā. Hoʻopili i kou noʻonoʻo a puni. ʻAʻole mākou e kamaʻilio e pili ana i kahi hānau hānau ma mua o ka hana ʻia ʻana o nā mea ʻē aʻe, nāna i hana ʻia nā mea ʻē aʻe, a nona nā mea ʻē aʻe i hana ʻia ai. "ʻO nā mea āpau āpau" e hoʻopili i nā miliona o nā ʻuhane āpau i ka lani, akā ʻoi aku ma mua o kēlā, nā piliona biliona āpau me kā lākou mau piliona hōkū.
ʻAe, e nānā i kēia mau mea āpau ma o ka maka o kahi Socinian. ʻO ka manaʻo o Iesū Kristo ma ke ʻano he kanaka e ola a make no mākou e pānaʻi ʻia mai ka hewa kumu i loko o ka manaʻo o ke Akua ma ke ʻano he manaʻo ma mua o ka hana ʻia ʻana o kekahi mea. No laila, ua hana ʻia nā hōkū āpau no, e, a ma o kēia manaʻo me ka pahuhopu hoʻokahi o ka hoʻōla pānaʻi ʻana i nā kānaka lawehala i hana mua ʻole ʻia. ʻAʻole hiki ke hoʻohewa ʻia nā hewa āpau o nā makahiki he mau kaukani o ka mōʻaukala kanaka i nā kānaka, ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke hōʻino maoli iā Sātana no ka hana ʻana i kēia mea kolohe. No ke aha mai? No ka mea ua hapai ʻo Iēhova ke Akua i kēia manaʻo o Iesū ka mea hoʻōla ma mua o ka hoʻokumu ʻana o ke ao. Ua hoʻolālā ʻo ia i ka mea holoʻokoʻa mai ka hoʻomaka.
ʻAʻole anei kēia kūlana ma ke ʻano he egocentric kanaka nui loa, hoʻowahāwahā ʻole ke Akua i nā aʻo o nā manawa āpau?
ʻ speakslelo aku ʻo Kolosa iā Iesū ʻo ka hiapo o nā mea a pau i hana ʻia. E hana ana wau i kahi leka uila e kau i kēia paukū me ka manaʻo o Socinian.
[ʻO ka manaʻo o Iesū] ke ʻano o ke Akua ʻike ʻole ʻia, [ʻo kēia manaʻo o Iesū] ʻo ia ka hiapo ma luna o nā mea āpau. No ka mea, ma [ka manaʻo ʻo Iesū] i hana ʻia ai nā mea āpau, nā mea ma ka lani a me ka honua, nā mea ʻike ʻole ʻia ʻole, nā noho aliʻi paha, a me nā aupuni, a me nā luna a me nā luna. Ua hana ʻia nā mea āpau ma o [ka manaʻo o Iesū] a no [ka manaʻo o Iesū].
Pono mākou e ʻaelike ʻo ka "hānau mua" ka mea mua i kahi ʻohana. O kahi laʻana. ʻO wau ka hānau mua. He kaikaina koʻu. Eia nō naʻe, he mau hoaaloha koʻu i ʻoi aku ma mua o wau. Akā naʻe, ʻo wau nō ka makahiapo, no ka mea ʻaʻole pili kēlā mau hoa aloha i koʻu ʻohana. No laila i loko o ka ʻohana o ka hana ʻana, e hoʻopili ana i nā mea i ka lani a me nā mea ma ka honua, i ʻike ʻia a ʻike ʻole ʻia, nā noho aliʻi a me nā aupuni a me nā luna, ʻaʻole i hana ʻia kēia mau mea āpau no kahi mea i hana mua ʻia o nā hana āpau, akā e ulu wale ana he mau piliona mau makahiki ma hope mai no ke kumu hoʻokahi o ka hoʻoponopono ʻana i nā pilikia a ke Akua i hoʻonohonoho mua ai e kū mai. Inā makemake lākou e ʻae a ʻaʻole paha, pono e kau inoa nā Socinians i ka wānana mua o Calvinist. ʻAʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke loaʻa i kekahi me ka ʻole o kekahi.
Ke hoʻokokoke nei i kēia palapala hemolele o ke kūkā kamaʻilio o kēia lā me ka noʻonoʻo e like me ke kamaliʻi, he aha kāu e maopopo ai i ke ʻano?
"E noʻonoʻo i kēia i kou manaʻo, ʻo ia hoʻi iā Kristo Iesū, ka mea i like me ke ʻano o ke Akua, ʻaʻole i manaʻo i ke kūlike me ke Akua kahi mea e kiʻi ʻia ai, akā ua hoʻohaʻahaʻa iā ia iho, e lawe ana i ke ʻano o ke kauā, hana ʻia i ke ʻano o nā kāne. A ma ke ʻano kanaka, hoʻohaʻahaʻa ʻo ia iā ia iho, a lilo i hoʻolohe i ka make, ʻae, i ka make o ke keʻa. (Pilipi 2: 5-8 World English Bible)
Inā ʻoe i hāʻawi i kēia palapala hemolele i kahi makahiki he ʻewalu ona makahiki, a noi iā ia e wehewehe, kanalua ʻole wau e loaʻa ana paha kahi pilikia. Ma hope o nā mea āpau, ʻike kahi keiki i ke ʻano o ka hopu ʻana i kekahi mea. ʻO ka haʻawina a ka Lunaʻōlelo Paul e hāʻawi nei he mea maopopo: pono mākou e like me Iesū nāna nā mea āpau, akā ua hāʻawi me ka noʻonoʻo ʻole a lawe haʻahaʻa i ke ʻano o kahi kauā e hiki ai iā ia ke hoʻopakele iā mākou āpau, ʻoiai ua make i ka make ʻeha e hana pēlā.
ʻAʻole i ʻike ka manaʻo a i ʻole ka manaʻo. ʻAʻole ola ia. ʻAʻole hoʻouna ʻia. Pehea e hiki ai i kahi manaʻo a i ʻole ka manaʻo i ka manaʻo o ke Akua ke noʻonoʻo i ke kūlike me ke Akua he mea kūpono e hopu i? Pehea e hakahaka ai ka manaʻo i ko ke Akua manaʻo? Pehea e hiki ai i kēlā manaʻo ke hoʻohaʻahaʻa iā ia iho?
Hoʻohana ʻo Paulo i kēia laʻana e aʻo iā mākou e pili ana i ka hoʻohaʻahaʻa, ka haʻahaʻa o Kristo. Akā ua hoʻomaka ʻo Iesū i ke ola ma ke ʻano he kanaka wale nō, a laila he aha kāna i hāʻawi ai. He aha ke kumu o ka haʻahaʻa? Aia i hea ka mea haʻahaʻa i ke kanaka hoʻokahi a ke Akua i hānau pono ai? Aia i hea ka mea haʻahaʻa i koho ʻia e ke Akua, ke kanaka hemolele a hewa ʻole wale nō e make pono ai. Inā ʻaʻohe o Iesū i ka lani, kona hānau ʻana ma lalo o kēlā mau hanana i hoʻolilo iā ia i kanaka nui loa i ola ma mua. ʻO ia ka mea ʻoi aku ke kanaka nui loa i noho ai, akā ʻo Pilipi 2: 5-8 e noʻonoʻo mau nei no ka mea ʻo Iesū kahi mea i kahi mamao loa. ʻOiai ʻo ke kanaka nui loa i kū i ka honua he mea ʻole ia i hoʻohālikelike ʻia me ka mea ma mua, ka mea nui o nā mea a pau a ke Akua i hana ai. Akā inā ʻaʻole ʻo ia i ka lani ma mua o ka iho ʻana i ka honua e lilo i kanaka wale nō, no laila he wahaheʻe kēia ala holoʻokoʻa.
ʻĀ, aia iā ʻoe ia. Aia nā hōʻike i mua ou. E hoʻopau wau me kēia manaʻo hope loa. John 17: 3 mai ka Contemporary English Version penei: "ʻO ke ola mau loa ka ʻike iā ʻoe, ke Akua ʻoiaʻiʻo wale nō, a e ʻike iā Iesū Kristo, ka mea āu i hoʻouna mai ai."
ʻO kekahi ala e heluhelu ai i kēia ʻo ke kumu o ke ola ponoʻī e ʻike nei i ko mākou Makua lani, a ʻoi aku, ka mea āna i hoʻouna mai ai, ʻo Iesū Kristo. Akā inā mākou e hoʻomaka i ka wāwae hewa, me ka ʻike wahaheʻe ʻole i ke ʻano maoli o Kristo, a laila pehea e hiki ai iā mākou ke hoʻokō i kēlā mau ʻōlelo. I koʻu manaʻo, ʻo ia kekahi hapa ke kumu a John e haʻi mai ai iā mākou,
"No ka mea, he nui nā mea hoʻopunipuni i hele aku i ka honua, hōʻole e haʻi i ka hiki ʻana mai o Iesū Kristo ma ke kino. ʻO kēlā mea kēia mea hoʻopunipuni a me ka antichrist. " (2 John 7 BSB)
Hāʻawi ka New Living Translation i kēia, "ʻōlelo wau i kēia no ka mea he nui nā mea hoʻopunipuni i hele aku i ka honua. Hōʻole lākou i ka hele ʻana mai o Iesū Kristo ma ke kino maoli. ʻO kēlā kanaka he hoʻopunipuni a he antichrist. "
Ua hānau ʻia ʻoe a me aʻu he kanaka. He kino maoli ko mākou. He ʻiʻo mākou. Akā ʻaʻole mākou i hele mai i ke kino. E nīnau ka poʻe iā ʻoe i kou wā hānau, akā ʻaʻole lākou e nīnau iā ʻoe i kou wā i hele mai ai i ke kino, no ka mea ʻo wau ia ma kahi ʻē a ma kahi ʻano ʻokoʻa. I kēia manawa ʻaʻole i hōʻole ka poʻe a Ioane e pili nei i ko Iesu ola ʻana. Pehea lākou? Aia he mau kaukani mau kānaka e ola nei i ʻike iā ia i ke kino. ʻAʻole, hōʻole kēia poʻe i ke ʻano o Iesū. He ʻuhane ʻo Iesū, ke Akua hiwahiwa, e like me kā Ioane i kāhea ai iā ia ma John 1:18, i lilo i kino kanaka maoli. ʻO ia kā lākou e hōʻole nei. Pehea ke koʻikoʻi e hōʻole ai i kēlā ʻano maoli o Iesū?
Ke hoʻomau nei ʻo John: "E makaʻala iā ʻoukou iho, o nalowale nā mea a mākou i hana aku ai, akā i uku piha ʻia ʻoukou. ʻO ka mea e holo i mua me ka hoʻomau ʻole i ke aʻo ʻana a Kristo ʻaʻole ona Akua. O ka mea e noho mau ma kana ao ana, o ka Makua a o ke Keiki no.
"Inā hele mai kekahi iā ʻoe akā ʻaʻole lawe mai i kēia aʻo, mai hoʻokipa iā ia i kou home a aloha aku iā ia. ʻO ka mea e aloha aku i kēlā kanaka, pili like kāna mau hana ʻino. ” (2 John 8-11 BSB)
Ma ke ʻano he Kalikiano, ʻokoʻa paha mākou i kekahi mau ʻike. ʻO kahi laʻana, ʻo ka 144,000 he helu maoli a i ʻole he hōʻailona? Hiki iā mākou ke ʻaelike e kūlike ʻole a mau hoahānau. Eia nō naʻe, aia kekahi mau pilikia kahi e hoʻomanawanui ai inā ʻaʻole hiki, ʻaʻole inā mākou e hoʻolohe i ka ʻōlelo i hoʻoulu ʻia. Ke hoʻolaha nei i kahi aʻo e hōʻole i ke ʻano maoli o Kristo e like me ia i kēlā mahele. ʻAʻole wau e ʻōlelo i kēia e hōʻino ai i kekahi, akā e hōʻike akāka wale i ke koʻikoʻi o kēia pilikia. ʻOiaʻiʻo, pono kēlā me kēia e hana e like me kona lunamanaʻo iho. Eia nō naʻe, koʻikoʻi ka papa hana pololei. E like me kā John i ʻōlelo ai ma ka paukū 8, "E makaʻala iā ʻoukou iho, o nalowale nā mea a mākou i hana aku ai, akā e uku piha ʻia ʻoe." Makemake loa mākou e uku piha ʻia.
Kiai oukou ia oukou iho, o lilo ole ka mea a makou i hana aku ai, aka, i ukuia pono oukou. ʻO ka mea e holo i mua me ka hoʻomau ʻole i ke aʻo ʻana a Kristo ʻaʻole ona Akua. O ka mea e noho mau ma kana ao ana, o ka Makua a o ke Keiki no.
"Inā hele mai kekahi iā ʻoe akā ʻaʻole lawe mai i kēia aʻo, mai hoʻokipa iā ia i kou home a aloha aku iā ia. ʻO ka mea e aloha aku i kēlā kanaka, pili like kāna mau hana ʻino. ” (2 Ioane 1: 7-11 BSB)
Eia nō naʻe, hoʻopili mākou i nā LIMITATION OF THE CONSTITUTION ME KA MAKA OLE I KE KEKAHI E IKEʻI ANA A ME KEKAHI MAKAHI A I NĀ KĀKĀWAI E HUAKAHI I KA LOA SOCIAL. . . . ʻaʻole kau palena ʻia ke kūʻokoʻa i nā mea nui ʻole. E ANO ANEI I KE ANO O KE KUOKOA. KA HOAʻO I KA MEA E PILI ANA I KA MEA E KAI LOA AI I NĀ MEA E NĀ ANA I KA PUʻU O KE KAUOHA E NUI NEI.
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I ka hōʻuluʻulu, no laila, ʻoiai ua maopopo iaʻu ʻo ka hoʻomana Karistiano hoʻokahi wale nō ia, ʻaʻole kekahi ʻōnaehana hoʻomana e koi ana e hōʻike a hoʻohālikelike iā ia, ke manaʻoʻiʻo nei hoʻi wau aia ka ʻoiaʻiʻo i loko o ka Palapala Hemolele, ʻaʻole ma nā ʻano unuhi kikoʻī e ua hoʻomohala a hoʻomohala paha nā kāne. ʻAʻole wale kēlā ʻoiaʻiʻo i nā huaʻōlelo iā lākou iho, akā i loko o ka hōʻike a lākou i lawe mai ai iā mākou na ke Akua a me kāna keiki. E WEHE WALE ANA I KA MAKOU I KA IKE ANA I KEKAHI MAU MANU AKA, INA I KUPONOIA E KA UHANE O KE AKUA, AOLE HE MEA HIKI OLE I KA Aelike.... Pākuhi hou »
ʻO kāu mea kūpono ke kūpono i kēia kūkā. Ma hea mākou e huki ai i ka laina e hoʻokaʻawale i ke ahonui mai ka licentiousness? Inā hele mai kekahi e hoʻolaha i ka mōhai keiki ma ke ʻano he haipule, ʻaʻohe o mākou pilikia me ka hōʻike ʻana i ka mea i ka puka. ʻO kā John ʻōlelo aʻoaʻo i kāna leka ʻelua he ikaika a ʻaʻano ʻole hoʻi.
akā SANCTIFY CHRIST AS LORD I KOU PONO, me ka mākaukau e pale aku i kēlā me kēia mea e noi ana iā ʻoe e hōʻike i kahi manaolana i loko ou, akā me ka ʻoluʻolu a me ka mahalo. 16 A e mālama i ka lunamanaʻo maikaʻi, i mea e hilahila ai ka poʻe e hōʻinoʻino iā ʻoe iho ma o Kristo lā. Ke kope ʻana i nā ʻōlelo a Paul Paul ma Pilipi 1:15 He ʻoiaʻiʻo e haʻi aku kekahi iā Kristo no ka lili a me ka hakakā, akā ʻo kekahi no ka ʻoluʻolu. 16 Hana ka mea hope ma muli o ke aloha, e ʻike nei ʻo wau nō... Pākuhi hou »
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E ʻike pehea e hiki ai iaʻu ke hoʻohana i nā pono hana i ʻōlelo ʻia ma luna. ʻAʻole paha e hiki i kaʻu hāmeʻa ke kākoʻo i nā hiʻohiʻona āpau i loaʻa ma aneʻi.
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Kūkā maikaʻi loa, Ad_Lang. Ma kēia manawa ua hoʻohana wau i kēia paukū i mea hōʻoia he ʻelua i ka hoʻomaka o ka hana - ka Makua a me ke Keiki. Ua hōʻike ʻoe iaʻu i nā ʻē aʻe o kēia paukū. Mahalo.
Frankie
No nā mea kākau o ke Kauoha Kahiko "ka ʻōlelo a ke Akua" ka hōʻike a ke Akua iā ia iho a i ʻole ke ʻano o ke Akua. No laila i ka ʻōlelo ʻana a John 1: 1 "me ke Akua ka huaʻōlelo" ʻaʻole ia he manaʻo aia kekahi me ke Akua. I ke ʻano o ke Kauoha Kahiko a ke Akua, ua ʻōlelo ʻia nā mea na ke Akua "me ia" - kāna uku / hoʻopakele ma ʻIsaia 40:10; 62:11; ʻO kāna kumu / hoʻolālā ma Ioba 10:13; 14: 5; 23:14; 27:11; ka naauao a me ka ikaika ma Ioba 12:13, 16; aloha ma Halelu 130: 7. (E nānā pū ma Gal. 2: 5: "ʻo ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o ka ʻeuanelio e noho pū me ʻoe.") A ʻo ka paukū kaulana i... Pākuhi hou »
Ua kamaʻilio mākou e pili ana i kēia ma mua, thehumanjesus.org. ʻO nā mea āu e hāʻawi nei i kāu paukū hoʻomaka he manaʻo unsubstantiated ka mea e kūʻai ʻole mai iaʻu i kofe ma Starbucks.
Ke ʻōlelo nei ʻoe ʻaʻole hiki ke ʻōlelo ʻia nā mea ola e "me ke Akua"? ʻO wau e hōʻike nei he paʻakikī kēia i kou manaʻoʻiʻo. Eia kekahi, ua hōʻike akāka ʻia ʻo Iesū i ka ʻōlelo (Logos) a ke Akua ma Hōʻike 19: 11-16.
In kēlā me kēia wahi, koe naʻe in Loane 13: 3; 16:28; 20.17, ka Unuhi ʻia nā huaʻōlelo Helene "piʻi" a i ʻole "e hele"!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ymHsk0N9VU
ʻAʻole ʻoiaʻiʻo. Penei e hana ai ka NASB i nā huaʻōlelo. John 13: 3 hupagó get (2), go (45), go their way (1), go away (3), go (5), going (20), going away (1), going back (1), hele (1). John 16:28 poreuomai accomp * (1), I am my way (1), depart (1), depart (1), haʻalele (1), e ukali nei (3), e hele (69), e hele i ko lākou ala (1 ), hele aku (1), hele (7), hele (15), hele aku (2), hele (3), hoʻoluhi (1), huakaʻi (1), huakaʻi (2), haʻalele (1), hele aku (1), ua hoʻomau ʻia (2), alualu i kahi papa (1), nā set (1), hoʻomaka (3), ka huakaʻi ʻana (3), ke hele wāwae (1), ke ala (6),... Pākuhi hou »
ʻO ia ka manawa 1 hāʻawi ʻia e ka NASB hupagó e like me "ke hoʻi nei" John 13: 3?
A mahalo no ke koena o ka papa inoa e hōʻike nei i ka mōakāka, makemakeʻia mistranslation "hoʻi" a i ʻole "hoʻi" i Loane 16.28; 20.17.
Ke Akua: “Aloha au!”
Socinian: "Ua koho mua ʻoe i nā mea weliweli o kēia ao!"
Ua ʻike ʻia ʻo ʻAdamu ʻaʻole paha ʻoe e nānā i nā ʻano ʻano like ʻole e pili ana i ka hiki i ke Akua ke ʻike mua i nā mea a me nā hopena e loaʻa ai no kā mākou kūʻokoʻa. He kumumanaʻo paʻakikī no ka ʻoiaʻiʻo a ma waho maoli ia a he nui nā hopena ma mua o nā kūkākūkā "Logos". Eia kahi hiʻohiʻona laulā o nā manaʻo maʻamau: ʻAʻole ke kumu o ka ʻike mua o ke Akua e hana ai, akā ua ʻike mua ʻo ia i kekahi mea no ka mea e hana ana ʻoe (Origen) Manawa Manawa: Pau ʻole ke Akua. Noho ʻo ia ma kahi manawa ʻole. ʻAʻole hiki i ke Akua ke hoʻololi i kekahi ʻano o ka loli. Aia ke Akua ma waho o ka manawa. ʻO kona ʻike... Pākuhi hou »
Mahalo no ka hāʻawi ʻana mai i kēlā me mākou, bereanthinker1.
ʻO ke kuhi āu e nalo nei ʻaʻole hiki ke noi ʻia kekahi o kēia mau mea e hōʻoluʻolu i ke Akua o ka hewa ma lalo o kahi hanana Socinian. ʻOiai ʻo ka helu 5 e like me ka hope o ka ʻepekema moʻomeheu manawa huakaʻi hele huakaʻi: E hoʻi i ka manawa a hoʻololi i ka wā e hiki mai ana. I kēia mea e hoʻololi i kēia manawa a no laila hoʻololi i ka hala. ʻAʻole i hana hewa ʻo ʻAdamu, no laila ua loli ka wā i hala a ʻaʻole i koho mua ke Akua i ka mesia.
No laila pehea ʻoe e wehewehe ai i ka Hoʻokomo ʻia ʻana o ke "akua" mua o ke kanaka, ʻo ia hoʻi, ka metamorphosis, ke oki nei?
Hoʻomaʻo wau ʻaʻole e komo i ka wehewehe pilikino. ʻIke wau i ka poʻe e hoʻokuʻu i kahi aʻo ʻana no ka mea ʻaʻole hiki iā lākou ke noʻonoʻo pehea e hana ai ke hana nei ma muli o ka haʻaheo. Manaʻo wau i ka ʻōlelo a ke Akua iā Ioba i kona wā i piʻi iki ai i luna o ka lio.
A ʻo wai o nā Akua hana ʻelua āu e manaʻo ai i kū mai kēlā mau ʻōlelo i loko o Ioba? ʻO ka Makua a i ʻole nā Logos nāna "i hana i nā mea āpau"?
He aha nā ʻōlelo a Ioba āu e ʻōlelo nei? ʻIke wau i kāu ʻōlelo i kahi kaʻawale, no laila ʻaʻole wau e hoʻomanaʻo inā ua lawe wau iā Ioba. Pehea e hana ai kāu nīnau e hōʻike i ko Socinian manaʻoʻiʻo?
Ua kuhikuhi ʻoe i nā pane a ke Akua iā Ioba, no laila manaʻo wau ua noʻonoʻo ʻoe iā Ioba 38.
ʻAʻole nō wau e hana e hōʻoia i kahi ʻike mua ʻole, aia kekahi mau ʻatikala i manaʻo ʻia e hoʻonui ʻia. Eia naʻe ka ʻike logos aʻu i mālama nui ai mai ka haʻalele ʻana i ka org, waiho pū me aʻu i nā nīnau paʻakikī.
ʻO ia ke kumu aʻu i nīnau aku ai iā ʻoe ma mua, he aha kou manaʻo i ka wā i komo ai ka ʻike i nā logos i loko o ke kanaka ʻo Iesū?
Manaʻoʻiʻo wau ua noi ʻoe iaʻu i kēia ma mua i kahi manaʻo ʻokoʻa, akā ʻo ka pilikia ʻaʻole wau i ʻike. Ua hāʻawi ʻia ke ola a nā lepona e hauʻoli ai i ka lani i ka wā i hoʻonele ai ʻo ia iā ia iho e lawe i ke ʻano o ke kanaka. ʻO ia i ka manawa o ka hāpai ʻana ke hiki mai ka embryo. ʻO koʻu manaʻoʻiʻo ia, akā hiki ʻole iaʻu ke hōʻoia ia mea mai ka Palapala Hemolele. Ke hana nei mākou i kahi hana a ke Akua i ʻike ai, akā ʻaʻole ʻike ke kanaka. Eia nō naʻe, pono ke kanaka i nā lepe a ʻo ia hoʻi ʻaʻole ia i lawe mai i kekahi o kāna mau mea hoʻomanaʻo i hala... Pākuhi hou »
Aloha ʻoe e Eric, manaʻo wau pēlā, ua ʻike ʻo Iesū i kona Makua i ka lani mai kona wā hānau wale (Luke 2:48). Akā ua loli nā mea i ka manawa o ka poni ʻia e ka ʻUhane Hemolele, manaʻo wau. Ua hele mai koʻu Luke 24: 48 i koʻu manaʻo: "Aia hoʻi, e hoʻouna ana au i ka ʻōlelo hoʻohiki a koʻu Makua ma luna ou. Akā e noho i loko o ke kūlanakauhale a hiki i kou wā e ʻaahu ʻia ai ka mana mai luna mai. Ua hoʻouna pū ʻo Iesū i ka mea hōʻoluʻolu me ka "mana mai luna" i nā haumāna - ka mana e hoʻomaopopo a me ka mana e hana. ʻO kēia ʻUhane laʻa hoʻokahi nāna Iesu i poni ai.... Pākuhi hou »
Aloha BT1, e kala mai iaʻu i ka hoʻopilikia ʻana i kāu kūkākūkā a me kā Eric. Akā ua nīnau ʻoe i ka nīnau hoihoi iaʻu: "A ʻo wai o nā mea hana akua ʻelua āu i manaʻo ai no kēlā mau ʻōlelo i loko o Ioba i hele mai ai? ʻO ka Makua a i ʻole nā Logos nāna "i hana i nā mea āpau"? ". Pehea e haʻi ai i kekahi e pili ana i kekahi mea inā ʻaʻole lākou i ʻike i nā manaʻo aʻu e kamaʻilio nei (e laʻa me ka wehewehe ʻana i nā loina o ke kīwī i nā kāne medieval). E hoʻohana wau i kā lākou ʻōlelo a me nā ʻōlelo a lākou i ʻike ai. Manaʻo wau, ka mea like a ke Akua i hoʻohana ai. Manaʻo wau ʻaʻole maopopo iki iā mākou e pili ana i nā ʻenehana... Pākuhi hou »
Maikaʻi loa i wehewehe ʻia, Frankie. Mahalo.
He wehewehe kūpono, mahalo.
Mahalo koʻu kaikunāne.
Na ke Akua e hoʻopōmaikaʻi iā 'oe.
ʻO Witam ʻO Bracia i Soistry. Mam radość pierwszy raz dołączyć do diskusji. Mam trochę tremę. ʻO Logos był stworzony przez zrodzenie. Był bytem mającym swoją świadomość. Nie był ubezwłasnowiony, mimo że Syn był w Ojcu a Ojciec w Synu. ʻO Logos aktywnie uczestniczył w stwarzaniu wszystkiego, przez a czuł odpowiedzialność za dzieła stwórcę. Był związany emocjonalnie z ludźmi którym dał życie Jana 1: 1-5. Kochał wszystko co stwarzył tak ja jego Ojciec Praprzyczyna wszystkiego. Był najlepszym Bytem we wszechświecie e zrealizować Boski plan odkupienia od grzechu ludzi z zachowaniem Boskich praw. Zejście boskiego syna na poziom syna człowieczego to dla boskich bytów ,, pestka... Pākuhi hou »
Mahalo iā ZbigniewJan. Eia kahi unuhi google o kāu ʻōlelo: Aloha, e nā hoahānau a me ka ʻūmepa. Hauʻoli au i ka hui ʻana i ke kūkākūkā no ka manawa mua. He makaʻu iki wau ma ke kahua. ʻO ka Logos i hana ʻia e ka hanauna. He hui ʻo ia me kona ʻike ponoʻī. ʻAʻole ʻo ia i incapacitated, ʻoiai ʻo ke Keiki i ka Makua a ʻo ka Makua i ke Keiki. Ua komo ikaika nā Logos i ka hana ʻana i nā mea āpau, no laila ke kuleana no nā hana a ka mea hana. Ua pili aloha ʻo ia i ka poʻe āna i hāʻawi ai i ke ola John 1: 1-5. Ua aloha ʻo ia i nā mea āpau āna i hana ai,... Pākuhi hou »
Aloha kākou āpau, wela loa kēia kumuhana a ʻano aʻo loa (ʻoi aku ma mua o 140 mau manaʻo a hiki i kēia manawa). ʻAʻole wau e pili i ka ʻōlelo a nā ʻepekema like ʻole, a me ka ʻimi paʻakikī o nā huaʻōlelo e pili ana i ka grammar. ʻO kēlā me kēia ʻaoʻao o ka hoʻopaʻapaʻa e pili ana i ko Iesu ola ma mua o ke kanaka hiki ke kuhikuhi i nā ʻepekema he nui, a hiki iā mākou ke kūkākūkā pau ʻole. Pehea e pale aku ai iā ia? E hoʻāʻo hou wau e kau i ka manaʻo i nā ʻōlelo a Iesū i ʻōlelo ʻia i ka hoʻolauna ʻana o ka wikiō / ʻatikala: "Mahalo wau iā ʻoe, e ka Makua, ka Haku o ka lani a me ka honua, ua hūnā ʻoe i kēia mau mea mai ka... Pākuhi hou »
Mahalo iā Frankie no ka noʻonoʻo pono Karistiano maikaʻi.
ʻAʻole hiki i ka poʻe e pili ana i ka dognian dogma ke ʻae i kēlā. Kākau inoa ponoʻī wau i ka dogma "ʻO ke Akua ke aloha" akā ʻo ka hōʻole ʻana i ke aloha no ia aloha e hoʻokau maoli i ka nīnau inā paha e manaʻo ʻia lākou he Karistiano ʻoiaʻiʻo.
Hiki i kekahi ke ʻike he unscriptural ka Socinianism ma o ka lawe ʻana i ka pololei a me ka pololei i nā ʻōlelo a Paulo ma Epeso 4: 7-10. E ʻōlelo wau mai ka NIV (ʻo nā unuhi Baibala he maikaʻi like ia): "Akā, ua hāʻawi ʻia kēlā mea kēia mea o mākou ka lokomaikaʻi e like me kā Christ i hoʻokaʻawale ai. ʻO kēia ke kumu i ʻōlelo ai: 'I kona piʻi ʻana i luna, lawe ʻo ia i nā pio he nui a hāʻawi i nā makana i kona poʻe.' He aha ka manaʻo ʻo ia i 'piʻi aʻe ”koe wale nō ua iho ʻo ia i nā ʻāpana haʻahaʻa, honua? ʻO ka mea i iho i lalo ʻo ia ka mea i piʻi kiʻekiʻe aʻe ma mua o ka lani āpau, i mea e hoʻopiha ai... Pākuhi hou »
Je crois que Jean 17: 24 nʻa pas été cité (mais la discussion étant longue peut-être je me trompe)
“Père, ceux que vous mʻavez donnés, je veux que là où je suis, ils y soient avec moi, afin quʻils voient la gloire que vous mʻavez donnée, parce que VOUS MʻAVEZ AIMÉ AVANT LA CRÉATION DU MANAKAHI
Jean 17:24 BCC1923
https://bible.com/bible/504/jhn.17.24.BCC1923
Kahi maikaʻi, e Nicole. ʻAʻole hiki iaʻu ke noʻonoʻo i kekahi wahi o ka Baibala e ʻōlelo nei no ke Akua e aloha ana i kona mau manaʻo iho. 'Speaklelo nui e pili ana iā ia ke aloha i kāna mau keiki akā ʻaʻole no kāna aloha ʻana i ka manaʻo o lākou.
Pour reprendre Philippiens 2: 5- 8 maintes fois cité dans cette ke kamaʻilio ʻana, si Christ nʻavait été quʻun humain lors de sa naissance sur terre sans une vie antérieure, en quoi il aurait fait quelque pinili dʻextraordinaire, d'humble en ne cherchant pas à être l'égal de Dieu? Tout le monde sait quʻaucun humain, mème Christ sur terre, nʻa les moyens physiques de rivaliser avec Dieu. Sur terre, il a atribué les vave à son Père. Encore moins un concept peut chercher à être l'égal de Dieu et se vider de quelque i koho ou renoncer a quelque i wae. ʻO Sʻil était... Pākuhi hou »
ʻO ka noʻonoʻo maikaʻi loa, e Nicole. Simple, pololei, kūpono. ʻAʻole pono e lele i waena o nā hoops, e wili nei i ka Palapala Hemolele e kūpono i ka wehewehe kanaka. ʻOiai ʻaʻole wau e ʻōlelo Palani, ua hana wau i ka mea hiki e unuhi no ka pono o kekahi poʻe ʻē aʻe. 'Commentlelo a Nicole: E haʻi i nā Pilipi 2: 5-8 i nā manawa he nui i kēia kamaʻilio ʻana, inā he kanaka wale ʻo Kelisto i kona wā i hānau ʻia ai ma ka honua me ka ʻole o kahi ola ma mua, kahi e hana ai i kahi mea kupaianaha, haʻahaʻa, ma ka ʻimi ʻole ʻana i e like me ke Akua? Ua ʻike ka poʻe āpau ʻaʻole kanaka, ʻo Kristo hoʻi ma ka honua, i ke ʻano o ke kino e hoʻokūkū ai me ke Akua. Ma... Pākuhi hou »
Ke kānalua nei haʻalele ka poʻe iā ia, Ke pau nā mea (ʻaʻole nā mea ʻē aʻe āpau) maopopo leʻa he maemae ka ʻōlelo a ke Akua.
ʻO Simbmbee, (Heb 13: 8)
Ua wehewehe ʻo Matthew 1 pehea "ke kumu (genesis) o Iesū i kū ai" i ka wā a ke Akua i hānau ai, ʻo ia hoʻi, hānau i kāna Keiki i loko o ka ʻōpū o Maria. Ua ʻike mākou i kēia ma ka hoʻohana ʻana i ka huaʻōlelo Helene genesis (me 1 n) i kūʻē i nā gennesis (me 2 ns), ʻo ia hoʻi "hānau." I nā huaʻōlelo ʻē aʻe, ke wehewehe nei ʻo Matthew ʻaʻole wale ka "hānau" o Iesū akā kona kū ʻana i ke ola, "kumu." Eia kekahi, ʻo Luka 1: 35 hōʻike i kēia hana mana like. ʻO kēia manawa e nā ʻōlelo a ka ʻānela o ka Haku ponoʻī: "E hele mai ka ʻuhane hemolele ma luna ou a me ka mana o ka Mea kiʻekiʻe loa... Pākuhi hou »
ʻIke wau i ka lawe ʻana o kahi poʻe Socinians i kahi ala binary loa i kēia nīnau. He kanaka maoli paha ʻo Iesū me ka ʻole o ka preexistence, a i ʻole he preexistence a ʻaʻole ʻo ia he kanaka piha. ʻAʻohe kumu waena no lākou. ʻAʻole hiki iā lākou ke noʻonoʻo pehea e holo ai kēia, a ʻoiai ʻaʻole hiki iā lākou ke hāpai pehea e hiki ai ke hana, maopopo leʻa ʻaʻole hiki i ke Akua ke hana. ʻIke wau i kēlā ʻano e haʻaheo. ʻAʻohe hewa, akā ʻo wai mākou e palena ai i ke Akua no ka mea hiki iā ia ke hana? Ua hānau piha ʻia ʻo Iesū i loko o ka ʻōpū o Maria kahi mea aʻu i manaʻoʻiʻo mau ai... Pākuhi hou »
ʻAe ʻae he koho binary ia, ʻike ʻia kekahi mau ʻepekema trini kaulana i ka hoʻopau ʻana o kekahi manaʻo i kekahi. Ua kākau ʻo Albert Reville, ka polofesa o ka mōʻaukala hoʻomana: "ʻO ka mea ʻoiaʻiʻo ʻole o nā manaʻo ʻelua - preexistence a me Virginal hānau - hiki ʻole ke launa. ʻO ke kanaka Preexistent e lilo i kāne e hōʻemi iā ia iho, inā ʻoe e, i ka mokuʻāina o kahi embryo kanaka; akā ʻaʻole ia i hāpai ʻia e ka hana i waho iā ia iho i ka ʻōpū o ka wahine. Akā ʻo ka hānai ka helu kahi i hoʻokumu ʻia ai kahi kanaka, ka mea i ola ʻole ma mua, ma ka liʻiliʻi ma ke ʻano he... Pākuhi hou »
No ke aha ʻoe e kau ai i kēlā waihona i nā manaʻo o nā kāne? ʻAʻole anei ʻoe i heluhelu i ka palapala hemolele i ʻōlelo:Pīhoihoi ka poʻe i kāna aʻo ʻana, no ka mea, ua aʻo ʻo ia me ka mana maoli — ʻaʻole like loa me nā kumu o nā kānāwai haipule. ” (Mareko 1:22 NLT)
Makemake nā kākau ʻōlelo e ʻōlelo mai nā kumu Rabbinical nui o ka wā i hala, akā pili ʻo Iesū me ka Palapala Hemolele.
ʻAʻole i kākau ʻia ka Baibala e wehewehe pehea akā no ke aha a no ka aha. ʻO ka mea i hana ʻia a i kahi mea hoʻolewa hoʻolōʻihi i ke kumu o ka hana ʻia ʻana. Akā pehea e hana pinepine ai ke Akua i kahi mea pohihihi ma mua o ko mākou ʻike.
No laila no ke aha e "hoʻokau ai kekahi i kāu mau manaʻo"?
ʻO ka mea nui ke hoʻopiʻi ʻoe i ka poʻe e kūlike ʻole me kāu manaʻo as ka haʻaheo.
Ke kuhikuhi wale nei wau i ke ʻano contradictory o nā manaʻo ʻelua e ka poʻe i paʻa pū i ka ʻike Preexistence maoli.
ʻAʻole pono lākou e kau i kahi waihona i kaʻu mau manaʻo. ʻO wau wale nō kahi kanaka i hiki ke hana i nā hewa he nui no laila ʻaʻole wau e makemake i kekahi e hana i ke ola e hoʻololi ana i nā hoʻoholo e pili ana i koʻu mau manaʻo. Makemake wau e hoʻomākeʻaka i ka waiwai o koʻu manaʻo inā lawe ʻoe iā ia i Starbucks, hāʻawi lākou iā ʻoe i kope no ia mea, inā ʻoe e hoʻonui i ʻelima mau kālā hou aʻe. Pehea kou manaʻo e pili ana i ka waiwai o kou mau manaʻo?
ʻO kaʻu e makemake ai no ka poʻe e noʻonoʻo ma ka palapala hemolele. a mai kaukaʻi i kekahi e wehewehe iā ia na lākou
ʻAe, ʻike ʻoe i kā lākou ʻōlelo, ua like ia me ka manaʻo o ka bipi….moo. ?
Akau. E like me kā Joey e ʻōlelo ai, "He wahi moo ia."
Hōʻike ka Baibala i 4 mau mahele o ke ola ʻana, ʻo ia hoʻi, ke Akua, nā ʻānela, nā kānaka a me nā holoholona.
ʻO nā mahele hea o Iesū ma mua o ia iho mai ka lani?
akua
Mahalo.
Wahi a ka palapala hemolele akua he poʻo inoa i hoʻopili ʻia i nā ʻānela maikaʻi a maikaʻi ʻole a kanaka paha.
No laila ma hea ʻo ka OT kahi ʻāpana ʻokoʻa o kēia e ʻike ʻoluʻolu?
Huikau wau i kāu nīnau no ka mea ʻo ʻoe ka mea nāna i helu i ka "akua" ma ke ʻano he ʻano kū hoʻokahi. No ke aha ʻoe e nīnau mai nei iaʻu i kahi e loaʻa ai kēia ʻano ʻokoʻa inā ua loaʻa mua?
ʻAʻole wau i helu i ka "akua" ma ke ʻano he mahele o ka mea ʻē aʻe ma mua o ka ʻānela a i ʻole ke kanaka. ʻO ia ka mea i hōʻike ʻia e ka palapala hemolele.
inā ʻoe e kuhikuhi nei i ke Akua, kapela G, maopopo leʻa he Akua ka Makua. Hoʻokahi wale nō ma kēlā mahele o ke Akua, ʻo wai ka Makua, ʻoiai ʻo wau e ʻaelike nei.
ʻOiaʻiʻo, ua hana ʻoe. Ua ʻōlelo ʻoe: "Hōʻike ka Baibala i 4 mau mahele o ke ʻano, ʻo ia hoʻi, ke Akua, nā ʻānela, nā kānaka a me nā holoholona." I kēia manawa, i ka Helene ʻaʻohe capitalization e hoʻolilo i kahi inoa maʻamau i inoa inoa kūpono. ʻAʻole wau e kuhikuhi nei i ke kūlana, akā i ka hana. Nui nā ʻānela a me nā kānaka, kēlā me kēia i kā lākou ʻano iho. ʻOiai ua hana ʻia nā ʻānela ma ko ke Akua ʻano, ʻaʻole i hana ʻia lākou i kona ʻano. Pēlā nō, ʻoiai ua hana ʻia nā kānaka ma ke ʻano o ke Akua, ʻaʻole i hana ʻia lākou i kona ʻano. Eia naʻe, ua hana ʻia ka huaʻōlelo ma kona ʻano. ʻOiai ke ola nei nā kānaka a me nā ʻānela... Pākuhi hou »
Helene huparchon he participle hana i kēia manawa me Kristo ma ke ʻano he ʻohana antecedent. Eia nō naʻe, nui ka wehewehe ʻana i ka Helene i ka wā i hala ("he ia") No ka mea, ʻo ka pahuhopu e heluhelu i ka ʻōlelo i kapa ʻia ʻo preexistence of Christ.
Ua akāka mai ka pōʻaiapili o Phil 2 (ethical vs theological) a me ka v. 5 ʻo ia ke kanaka, "Christ" mōʻaukala a Paul i manaʻo ai.
ʻAʻole i lohe a ʻike ʻia kekahi kanaka "akua" i ʻike ʻia ma OT.
ʻIke ʻoe, he laʻana maikaʻi loa ia o ka manaʻo kanaka i hōʻike ʻia ma ke ʻano he Baibala. Hele au i Starbucks.
He aha kāu i ʻōlelo ai iā Iēhovahanau ka huaʻōlelo ma kona ʻano ”?
He aha ka palapala hemolele āu e kuhikuhi nei ma aneʻi?
ʻĀ, ʻike mākou ʻo Iesū wale nō ke Akua hānau (a i ʻole ke Keiki inā makemake ʻoe). ʻIke mākou i ka wā e hānau ai kahi makua kāne i kahi keiki, lawe ke keiki i ke ʻano o ka makuakāne. E hānau wale kahi makuakāne kanaka i nā keiki kanaka. No laila ke kamaʻilio mākou no ke Akua e hānau ana i kahi Keiki, pili ia e like pū ke keiki me ko ka Makua ʻano. Wehewehe i ka ʻōlelo o Pilipi 2: 6 e heluhelu nei: “ʻoiai ʻo ia ma ke ʻano o ke Akua, ʻaʻole i helu i ke kūlike ʻana me ke Akua kahi mea e loaʻa ai ”(ESV).
E ʻae ʻoe me kēlā?
Me he mea lā ke hoʻopaʻapaʻa nei ʻoe no ka laina CS Lewis kahiko Hānau ke akua i ke akua.
ʻAʻole kēlā ka mea a Matiu a me Luka i wehewehe ai.
ʻO kaʻu nīnau ma hea kahi i ʻōlelo ʻia ai e ke Akua e hānau i kahi huaʻōlelo.
No laila paʻa ʻoe i kahi "huaʻōlelo" a i ʻole "akua" i preexistent?
Hana wau a ʻaʻole ʻoe e pane i kekahi o kaʻu mau kuhi, ke kīloi wale nei i nā mea kūʻē iaʻu. Ua hāʻawi aku wau iā ʻoe i ka noʻonoʻo ʻana ma luna o Matthew a me Luke, ka mea āu e nānā ʻole ai a laila hoʻomau i ka hana hou ʻana i ke ʻano like me he mea lā ʻaʻole wau i hōʻike aku iā ʻoe i nā hemahema o kāu noʻonoʻo. Ke hele nei i kahi ʻole a lilo i neoneo manawa.
ʻoiai ʻaʻole wau e nānā aku iā ia a hiki i kēia lā ... ua ʻike wau ua waiho wale ʻo Anthony Buzzard i kahi pane iā Eric ma YouTube ma ke kahawai ʻo "focus on the Kingdom". https://youtu.be/CtTJx_TOM8Y
Ua nānā wau i kā wikiō o Buzzard. Ua huhū ʻo ia. Akā i kaʻu kuhi manaʻo ua kūleʻa kāna rebuttal ʻoiai ua kūʻē ʻo ia iā ia iho i ka ʻōlelo ʻana ʻaʻole ke Akua i koho mua e hewa nā mea āpau a hāʻule pōkole akā ua ʻike mua ʻo ia e hiki mai ana a me ka naʻaupō kahi hoʻolālā o ka hana i manaʻo ʻia ma mua o ka manawa no ka hoʻōla kanaka. . Hana ʻo ia i kahi hoʻohālikelike wahaheʻe ma waena o ka ʻōlelo I am John 8:58 a me ka ʻōlelo a Iesū ma John 4:25 e hōʻike ana iā ia iho ʻo ka Mesia. Akā nā nīnau a nā Iudaio ma John mokuna 8 ʻaʻole ia he nīnau e pili ana i ka ʻike akā no ka makahiki.... Pākuhi hou »
ʻAe Jerome, makemake wau e ʻae ..
ʻAʻole wau e manaʻo e komo i kahi paio, akā manaʻo wau he pono ka rebuttal manawa hoʻokahi. ʻO ka maʻamau, ʻaʻole wau e hoʻolōʻihi i ka manawa ma ia mea akā ke aʻo nei wau i ka nui o nā ex-Jehovah mau poʻe i hoʻokokoke ʻia iā Socinianism ma ke ʻano he ʻokoʻa i ka hoʻomana Kalikiano nui me kāna aʻo Trinity. Nui nā hewa kūpono i loko o ke wikiō a Buzzard i hana ai. Eia naʻe, no ka poʻe he nui e pakele kēlā mau nuances iā lākou. ʻO ia koʻu hopohopo.
I loko o ka Baibala ʻaʻole i hānau ʻia nā "akua" a me nā "ʻānela" a hiki ʻole ke make!
Pela i ka mea kekahi ke koho nei ʻoe iā Iesū?
Ma hea e wehewehe a kamaʻilio ai paha ka OT e pili ana i kēia "mea" kanaka ma mua o ke kanaka?
Pololei ʻole kēlā. ʻO John 1:18 e ʻōlelo e pili ana i ke akua hānau wale.
Ka heluhelu ʻana monogenes theos he palaho kaulana i hōʻole ʻia e nā trinis.
Eia kekahi lā,ʻo Papa Wehewehe Huaolelo o ke Kauoha Hou 'ōleloʻo ia i ka heluhelu "pili i ka nāwaliwali o ka monotheism i Gnosticism. "
ʻO kahi hulina hōʻino wale ma ka pūnaewele e hāpai i nā manaʻo kūʻē iā ʻoe. ʻO kahi laʻana, hōʻike nā ʻaoʻao wāwae o ka Baibala NET: ” Kākoʻo nui ka hōʻike kūwaho μονογενὴς θεός .
Eia kekahi, monogenes theos ʻike ʻia ʻo ia ka heluhelu maikaʻi loa (ma muli o ka lectio difficilior potior),
ʻ suggestlelo aku wau ʻo ke kuhi trinitary o nā mea unuhi he nui ke kumu o ka pani ʻana i ke "keiki" na "akua" i kēia hanana.
No ka mea he kumu nui ka hoʻopaʻapaʻa ma kēia paukū aia paha he mea ʻē aʻe e kākoʻo iā Iesū ma mua he kanaka ma ke ʻano he akua? Me he mea lā iaʻu inā maopopo loa kēia a laila aia paha he mau palapala hemolele e hōʻike ana i kēia noho mua ʻana ma ke ʻano he akua.
ʻAʻole lawa ka nui o nā palapala hemolele i kaʻu wikiō e hōʻoia ai i kēlā?
ʻO ke kikoʻī e pane ana wau i kāu ʻōlelo “ʻAʻole pololei kēlā. John 1: 18 'ōlelo e pili ana i ke akua hānau. "
ʻO nā palapala hemolele āu i hoʻohana ai mai a John i kākoʻo i ka hiʻohiʻona "mai ka lani" o kāu hoʻopaʻapaʻa akā ʻaʻole ka "akua" ʻāpana o kāu paio. ʻO ia kaʻu e noi aku nei. ʻIke wau hiki i kēia mau pae ke huikau. Ke ʻimi nei au i kākoʻo hou aʻe o ka palapala hemolele o kāu manaʻo i noho mua ʻo Iesū ma ke ʻano he akua ma kahi o ka palapala hemolele kānalua ma John 1:18
E maopopo iā mākou i hoʻokahi kiko. ʻO ka nīnau inā paha ʻaʻole ʻo Iesū i preexisted, ʻaʻole inā ʻaʻole ʻo ia ma ke ʻano o ke Akua. Inā hōʻike ka Baibala i kona preexisted i kona ola kanaka, ʻaʻole ia he mea koʻikoʻi iā mākou e hoʻomaopopo i ke ʻano o kona ola ʻana i ka lani e manaʻoʻiʻo i kēlā ola ʻana. E ʻae like paha ʻoe me kēlā? Eia nō naʻe, ʻaʻole ia he ʻōlelo no ka mea ʻaʻohe hōʻike e ola ana ʻo ia i ke ʻano o ke akua (e nānā i nā puke liʻiliʻi G). E hoʻomaka kākou me kēia palapala: Pilipi 2: 5-7 "5E noʻonoʻo kēia... Pākuhi hou »
ʻAe ʻae he hoʻopaʻapaʻa a me ka pohihihi, e ʻōlelo iki, e pili ana iā John 1:18. No laila, no ke aha e kūkākūkā ʻole ai i ka hōʻike maopopo, maopopo ʻole, kolohe ʻole ʻia e like me Mat 1.1, 18 a me Luka 1:35; Mat 1:20 e hōʻike aloha nei i ke kumu a me ke ʻano o ke Keiki? ʻO ka hoʻohana wale ʻana iā John i ka hemo ʻana o ka moʻokūʻauhau hānau wahine ʻaʻole ia e hana i kahi paio maikaʻi. Hoʻohui wale nō, ke ʻōlelo ʻoe i kāu wikiō e hiki i kahi keiki ke hoʻomaopopo i nā huaʻōlelo e like me ka hele ʻana mai ka lani, a pēlā aku.... Pākuhi hou »
Ke pilikia nei wau i ka hoʻomaopopo ʻana i ka noʻonoʻo. ʻAe ʻae wau i nā kuhikuhi ʻana iā Iesū ma Mataio a me Luka e hōʻike ana ua hānau ʻia ʻo ia ma ke ʻano he kanaka. Akā no ke aha ʻoe e hoʻopaʻa ai iā ʻoe iho i kēlā mau puke ʻekolu a hōʻole ʻole i ka ʻōlelo a nā mea kākau Baibala ʻē aʻe e pili ana i kēia kumuhana? ʻAʻole anei no ke kākoʻo o kēlā mau puke ʻekolu i kāu kumumanaʻo, ʻoiai ʻaʻole kākoʻo nā ʻē aʻe? ʻAʻole anei ia ma ke kumu o ka noiʻi Baibala eisegetical? ʻIke paha ʻoe he kuleana ko Matiu a me Mareko a me Luka e wehewehe i nā kumu lani o Iesū, a i ka hana ʻole ʻana pēlā i hoʻokau ai i ka pā... Pākuhi hou »
ʻLelo ʻoe .. "ʻAe ʻae wau i nā kuhikuhi ʻana iā Iesū ma Mataio a me Luka e hōʻike ana ua hānau ʻia ʻo ia ma ke ʻano he kanaka" akā manaʻoʻiʻo maoli ʻoe ia? Inā ʻoe e hilinaʻi maoli, no ke aha ʻoe e hoʻopaʻapaʻa nei iā ia? "Ua hānau ʻia ʻo ia he kanaka" He aha ke ʻano o ka "hānau"? He aha ke ʻano o ka “originate” iā ʻoe? Ua haʻi mai ka ʻelele a ke Akua ʻo Gaberiela e kapa ʻoe iā ia ʻo Iesū. No laila, he kanaka kēia Iesu, i hānau ʻia na Maria, i hānau ʻia e ka wahine. I nā huaʻōlelo ʻē aʻe, ʻaʻohe mea ʻē aʻe a Iesū, ʻokoʻa ka noho ʻana i ka noʻonoʻo, kumu, hoʻolālā o ke Akua Mana Loa ka makuakāne. ʻO ka... Pākuhi hou »
ʻAe, ʻo ka hānau wahine puʻupaʻa a me nā palapala hemolele e kākoʻo ana i kēia ʻaʻole e hoʻopaʻapaʻa nui ʻia. ʻO nā Karistiano ʻē aʻe. E like me kāu i ʻōlelo ai, akāka, maopopo ʻole, a ʻaʻohe palaho ʻole lākou. Pākuʻi ia iaʻu no ke aha e ʻike ʻole ai kekahi mau Karistiano i kēia. ʻO ke kumu o Iesū. ʻOiaʻiʻo, pono kēia e hoʻohui i ka nui o ke kaupaona i ka noʻonoʻo o ka poʻe. He mea ʻakaʻaka ke nīnau ʻoe i kahi Trinitary ʻo wai ka puke o ka baibala āu e heluhelu ai ma mua, he hapa o lākou e ʻōlelo nei .. John. Nā bele hoʻōla!
ʻO ka mea kānalua iaʻu pehea e hiki ʻole ai i nā Socinians ke ʻae iā Matthew a me Luke akā haʻalele i ka ʻike hoʻonui o ko Kristo ʻano a John i hāʻawi ai. A mai poina i ka hoʻomaopopo a Paul i hāʻawi ai. Kāhea ʻoe e poina maʻalahi i kēlā. I kekahi hihia, ua ʻae wau i ka ʻae ʻana iā ʻoe e hōʻike piha i kāu mau manaʻo a i kēia manawa, ʻaʻohe mea i hoʻokahuli i ka hōʻike o ka Palapala Hemolele aʻu i hāʻawi ai. Hoʻowahāwahā wale ʻoukou āpau iā ia, a ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi ʻole, hoʻolei ʻoe iā ia ma muli o ka manaʻo kanaka a me ka wehewehe ʻana. I kekahi hihia, ʻaʻole ʻoe e hāʻawi i kahi mea hou, no laila e ʻae iā ʻoe e hoʻomau i ka hoʻohana... Pākuhi hou »
Mea maikaʻi āu i aʻo mai ai iā mākou mai hoʻolohe i ka manaʻo o ke kāne.
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No ka hewa ʻole ia mau mea āpau, akā naʻe, no ka mea ke hana nei ʻoe ia, ʻeā? ʻAi wale i nā mea āpau a Anthony Buzzard i ʻōlelo ai.
Inā ʻoe e ʻōlelo i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo e kākoʻo paha wau iā ʻoe akā no ke kū nei me kēia ʻano aʻo pilikino kākoʻo wau iā Anthony Buzzard. ʻAʻohe mea e pili ana i ka charisma a i ʻole ka haumana. E pili ana i ka mea aʻu e manaʻoʻiʻo ai i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo
ʻOiaʻiʻo, maopopo iaʻu. ʻ saylelo ka poʻe Tritarians i ka mea like. ʻO nā hōʻike ʻo Iēhova, pēlā nō. Aia nō i kēlā me kēia mea e hoʻoholo.
ʻO kēlā paukū kahi paukū pilikia i ʻike ʻia. Hōʻike nā palapala kākau he nui i ka huaʻōlelo ʻo "keikikāne" ʻaʻole "akua". Loaʻa iā ʻoe kahi paukū ʻē aʻe ʻaʻole kānalua? Eia kahi ʻatikala piha loa https://www.angelfire.com/space/thegangeltruth/TTD/verses/john1_18.html a me kahi wehewehe wikiō https://youtu.be/W_BGX28er9Y a me kekahi ʻatikala https: //www.christiandisciplechurch. org / content / theological-metamorphosis-mokuna-10 I nā huaʻōlelo ʻē aʻe, ua kuhi hewa kekahi mau kope mua i "ke keiki kamakahi a ke Akua" ma ke ʻano "ke Akua hānau"! He mea hopohopo ka hoʻoholo ʻana o kahi "hapa nui" o ke kōmike ʻelima mau lālā i hopena i miliona o nā kope o ka Baibala i paʻi ʻia me "ke Keiki hiwahiwa" ma mua o "ke keiki kamakahi a ke Akua". ʻAʻole ʻike ka hapa nui o nā mea heluhelu Baibala i ka... Pākuhi hou »
Eia kahi mea e noʻonoʻo ai: https://biblehub.com/commentaries/john/1-18.htm E ʻike i ka ʻōlelo a Cambridge Bible no nā kula a me nā koleke. “Ke Keiki hiwahiwa] ʻO ka nīnau o ka heluhelu ʻana ma aneʻi he hoihoi loa. ʻO ka hapa nui MSS. a me nā mana i loaʻa iā 'ke Keiki hiwahiwa' a i ʻole 'Keiki hiwahiwa.' Akā ʻo ka MSS ʻekolu a ʻoi loa hoʻi. a ʻelua mau mea ʻē aʻe waiwai nui i loaʻa 'ke Keiki hiwahiwa.' ʻO ka hoʻāʻo o ka waiwai o MS., A i ʻole hui o MSS., Ma nā wahi i hoʻopaʻapaʻa ʻia, ʻo ia ka nui e ʻae ai i nā heluhelu wahaheʻe ma nā mea ʻē aʻe i hoʻopaʻapaʻa ʻole ʻia. Hoʻoholo ʻia e kēia hōʻike i ka hui o MSS. ʻo ka mea i heluhelu ʻia ʻo 'Ke Akua hiwahiwa' wale nō... Pākuhi hou »
ʻO ka ʻōlelo mai ka ʻatikala ma mua aʻu i hoʻopili ai. ʻO nā ʻatikala aʻu i ʻōlelo ai he hōʻike ikaika kā kēia paukū hoʻokahi i nā pilikia. He mea koi ka makahiki akā ke nānā ʻoe i nā "ʻohana" o nā kākau lima a mai hea lākou e ʻike ai i nā mea me ka mana "akua" mai kahi ʻano like. (wehewehe ka ʻatikala ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi ʻo wau) Ma muli wale nō o ka palapala kākau kahiko ʻaʻole ia he pololei loa. ʻO nā hōʻike ʻē aʻe i hōʻike ʻia nā makuakāne o ka hale pule e ʻōlelo ana mai ka palapala hemolele a me ka hoʻohana ʻana i kēia palapala hemolele loa a me ka hoʻohana ʻana i ka huaʻōlelo no "keiki" ʻaʻole "akua". ʻO kaʻu kuhi... Pākuhi hou »
"Ma hea e wehewehe ai ka OT a kamaʻilio paha e pili ana i kēia" kanaka "ʻoluʻolu?"
Kuhi kāu nīnau ʻo ia ka OT ʻaʻole kamaʻilio e pili ana i kekahi mea a laila ʻaʻole hiki. Manaʻo wahaheʻe.
Inā ʻaʻole kamaʻilio ka palapala hemolele e pili ana iā ia a laila loaʻa iā ʻoe kahi kumumanaʻo, ʻaʻole kahi ʻoiaʻiʻo. E like me kā WT i hana ai me ka hapa nui o ka mea theology - ie. ʻōnaehana ʻelua papa, kauā kūpaʻa pono ʻole, a pēlā aku. Inā manaʻoʻiʻo mākou i kekahi mea a ʻaʻohe o mākou mau palapala hemolele e kākoʻo iā ia a laila e haʻi mākou ma ke ʻano he manaʻo a i ʻole kumumanaʻo IMHO. Me nā wanana a pau e pili ana iā Iesū i ka OT a me kāu ʻōlelo, ua noho mua ʻo ia ma ke ʻano he akua ʻaʻole pono mākou e manaʻo e ʻike i kekahi hōʻike i ka OT? ʻAʻole wau i manaʻo he kūpono ʻole ia ʻoiai ʻoe e ʻōlelo nei he anti-christ ka poʻe me nā manaʻo kūʻē.
ʻAe, e Lori, e like me ka ʻōlelo a Eric, ʻo wau ka anti-christ no ka mea piliwi wau i ka hānau ʻana o Iesū i loko o ka ʻōpū o Maria. E nānā hou paha wau i kā Mika a me kā Matthew moʻokāki a ʻike i kā lākou mea e haʻi mai nei iā mākou. Ua haʻo paha wau i kekahi mea i waho?
Ua wehewehe pinepine wau i kāu mau manaʻo e pili ana iā Matthew a hewa ʻole ʻo Luke, akā ma kahi o ke kamaʻilio ʻana i kēlā manaʻo, pono ʻoe e hoʻomau i ka mantra kahiko ʻana.
ʻOiaʻiʻo, ʻo Lori Jane, akā ʻo ka Palapala Hemolele e kamaʻilio e pili ana. ʻIke ʻoe he ʻoiaʻiʻo kēlā, no ka mea ua ʻike ʻoe i kaʻu wikiō. Nui nā puke Baibala e walaʻau ʻole e pili ana, akā e hōʻole anei mākou i kekahi manaʻoʻiʻo ʻole no ke aʻo ʻole ʻia i kēlā me kēia puke? ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu kēia kumu. ʻAʻole kamaʻilio ʻo Matthew, Mark, a me Luke e pili ana i ia mea, no laila ʻaʻole hiki ke ʻoiaʻiʻo? Ua kamaʻilio ʻo John lāua ʻo Paul e pili ana i ia mea, akā ʻaʻole lāua ka manaʻo i kā lāua mea i ʻōlelo ai. Pono mākou e wehewehe hou i kā lākou ʻōlelo.
E hōʻoia wale nō, e like paha me kāu e ʻōlelo nei ʻaʻole i ʻōlelo ke Keiki a hana paha i kekahi mea i hoʻopaʻa ʻia i ka OT?
ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole wau e ʻōlelo i nā mea āpau. Ke hoʻouka wale nei wau i kāu loiloi. Ma mua o ka nānā ʻana i nā hōʻike hōʻike hewa, no ke aha mākou e nānā ʻole ai i Pilipi 2: 5-7 e like me kekahi o nā Palapala Hemolele ikaika loa e kākoʻo ana iā Iesū ma mua.
"Inā hānau ʻia ʻo Iesū ke kanaka me ka ʻole o ke ola, a laila ʻaʻole ʻo ia i hele mai i ke kino ma mua o ʻoe a i ʻole hele mai wau i ke kino ma ka hānau ʻia ʻana." - Ke hoʻāʻo nei wau e nānā i kēia pae akā ma kēia wahi ʻo Eric, manaʻo wau he pono ʻē ʻoe e ʻike he ʻano ʻē loa kēia i kahi huaʻōlelo ʻaʻole ia ke kiko o ka paukū. ʻO Johns point ʻo Iesū ʻaʻole ia he ʻuhane masquerading ma ke ʻano he kanaka. ʻO kēlā, ʻae ua hele nui mai ʻoe i ke kino i kou wā i hānau ʻia ai, ʻo ia ka mea hiki ʻole iaʻu ke kali no ka... Pākuhi hou »
Aloha Bereanthinker1. Ua ʻike wau i kekahi mau manaʻo i kāu ʻōlelo e pili ana paha i nā paukū ma kā John mau leka. Makemake wau e kākau iā ʻoe i koʻu mau manaʻo e pili ana i ke ʻano o nā huaʻōlelo “hiki mai”, “e hoʻouna” a me “ka ʻiʻo” i loko o kā John mau palapala hemolele 1 John 4: 2, 2 John 1: 7, John 16:28 a ma ʻO Galatia 4: 4 e pili ana i ko Iesu ola ma mua o ke kanaka. Maliʻa paha pono kekahi mau manaʻo (i mea e mālama ai i kahi, ʻaʻole hōʻike ʻia nā paukū.). E hele mai, e hoʻouna, e haʻalele, e hele ————————————— I 1 John 4: 2 a me 2 John 1: 7 hoʻohana ʻia nā huaʻōlelo aʻe no ka "to... Pākuhi hou »
Mahalo no kēia kumu, e Frankie.
Hoʻomaopopo hou i kahi ʻāpana o kahi paukū ʻaʻole ia ke kumuhana o ka ʻōlelo. Ke kamaʻilio nei ʻo ia i kāna poʻe haumāna e pili ana i kona haʻalele ʻana iā lākou, akā ma hope koke iho ua hiki ke hoʻokokoke aku i ka Makua iā lākou iho, ma o kona inoa. Mai ka Makua mai au i hele mai i ke ao nei, a ke haʻalele nei au i ke ao nei a e hele aku i ka Makua. (Ioane 16:28) ʻAʻole anei ʻoe mai kou makuakāne mai? Maopopo ʻoe ʻaʻole ma kahi ʻē ma mua. ʻAʻole ʻōlelo kēia e pili ana i ka noho ma mua. Eia hou ʻaʻole ia he manaʻo ʻaʻohe hihia ikaika no ka noho mua ʻana, akā ʻaʻole ma aneʻi (i kēia paukū). Ke lawe wale nei kēlā... Pākuhi hou »
. He aha nā mea lapuwale āu e kākau ai. Inā ʻōlelo kekahi mai lākou mai kekahi a e hoʻi ana lākou i kēlā kanaka, maopopo iā mākou he mea maoli ia. ʻAʻole mākou e noʻonoʻo ke kamaʻilio nei lākou e pili ana i ke ʻano o ka manaʻo o kēlā kanaka. ʻO kēia bunk ʻo ia ka manaʻo o ka poʻe Hebera i kākoʻo ʻole i ka Palapala Hemolele. ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu he hana hou kēia e like me nā hanauna e hoʻopili ana e hoʻāʻo e kākoʻo i ke aʻo ʻana ʻaʻole kākoʻo ʻia. ʻO kāu pāʻani i nā pāʻani ke pāʻani ʻoe i ke kanaka no ke ʻano e like me ka naʻauao a i ʻole kahi mokuʻāina e like me... Pākuhi hou »
I loane 13: 3, 16:28 a me 20:17 ʻ sayslelo ʻo Iesū "piʻi / hele i" ka Makua. Ua unuhi hewa ʻia ka Helene ma ke ʻano he “going back / return” na NIV.
A ua nīnau wau iā ʻoe i kēia ma mua akā mai hoʻomanaʻo i kahi pane. Inā ʻōlelo kekahi "ʻai i koʻu ʻiʻo" a "inu i koʻu koko" pehea e maopopo ai i kekahi keiki?
"Ma Ioane 13: 3, 16:28 a me 20:17 ʻ sayslelo ʻo Iesū" piʻi / hele i "ka Makua. Ua unuhi hewa ʻia ka Helene ma ke ʻano he “going back / return” e NIV. ” Pehea e unuhi ai? E ʻoluʻolu e hāʻawi i nā kūmole. ʻIke paha ʻoe e nalo i ke ʻano o ka ʻōlelo a Iesu e pili ana i ka hōʻike ʻana i nā mea i nā keiki a hūnā iā lākou mai ka poʻe naʻauao a me ka naʻauao. E ʻae iaʻu e wehewehe. ʻO kēia moʻokāki kahi hiʻohiʻona maikaʻi loa o ka hālāwai o kāna mau ʻōlelo. ʻO ka hapa nui o ka poʻe i ka lohe ʻana i kēia haʻiʻōlelo ua hoʻokahuli ʻia a haʻalele ʻia. Ua loaʻa iā lākou ke ʻano hewa. Manaʻo lākou he naʻauao lākou a hiki ke hoʻomaopopo i ka mea a Iesū e ʻōlelo nei a hiki mai... Pākuhi hou »
Maopopo iā ʻoe NT Koine Greek? Inā ʻaʻole wau e paipai iā ʻoe a me kāu poʻe heluhelu e nānā i kahi lexicon Greek maʻamau maʻamau no nā huaʻōlelo i unuhi hewa ʻole ʻia e kekahi e like me ka "hoʻi ʻana" a i ʻole "ke hoʻi i ke Akua" ma John 13.3; 16.28; 20.17. (No ka mea he mooooo koʻu manaʻo.) LOL I kāu wikiō e ʻōlelo mau nei ʻoe pehea e maʻalahi ai i kekahi keiki e hoʻomaopopo i ka ʻōlelo e "iho mai ana mai ka lani" "e hele mai ana i ka honua." ʻAʻole wau e hoʻomanaʻo iā ʻoe e haʻi nei i ka pono o ka makua e wehewehe i ka manaʻo o kēlā mau huaʻōlelo i kahi keiki. No laila, kaʻu nīnau pehea pehea kahi keiki i kēia lā... Pākuhi hou »
Maopopo iā ʻoe NT Koine Greek? Inā ʻaʻole, no ke aha ke kani haʻahaʻa? Inā pēlā, no ke aha ka makaʻu o ka kaʻana like ʻana i kāu hōʻoia e hōʻoia ai ʻaʻole lākou he manaʻo pilikino wale nō? Ua wehewehe wau i loko o kaʻu wikiō a me kaʻu ʻōlelo ma mua i ka mea aʻu i manaʻo ai na "keiki", akā hoʻomau ʻoe e hana i kahi paio strawman a hoʻāʻo e hōʻano hou i kaʻu manaʻo. Inā makemake ʻoe e komo i ke kūkā kamaʻilio naʻaupō a mahalo hoʻi a kēlā me kēia ʻaoʻao e ʻōlelo ai a laila hāʻawi i ka hōʻoia paʻa e kākoʻo iā lākou, a kahi e ʻae ai kēlā me kēia ʻaoʻao e pane i nā nīnau i nīnau ʻia iā lākou... Pākuhi hou »
ʻO ke kumu aʻu i nīnau ai e pili ana i kou ʻike i ka Helene, no ka mea ʻaʻole wau i makemake e hāʻawi i koʻu mau manaʻo.
No laila, e kala mai iaʻu inā pili i ka hoʻohaʻahaʻa.
E ʻoluʻolu e nānā i nā kuhikuhi aʻe.
ʻO ka huaʻōlelo Mistranslated "going back" e ka NIV ma John 16:28 ka huaʻōlelo Helene like ma Mat 4.11, 20, 22 i unuhi maʻalahi ʻia ma ka "left" a i ʻole "haʻalele."
A ʻo John 13: 3 kahi wale nō kahi i unuhi hewa ʻia ai ka Helene ma ke ʻano he "going back" ma kahi o "go" (John 3: 8; 11:31; 12:35, etc.).
Lana ka manaʻo i kēia mau kōkua.
Ua hana wau ma ke ʻano he unuhi ʻōlelo loea no nā makahiki. Hiki iā ʻoe ke kāhea wale i kahi mea wehewehe hewa inā hōʻike ia i kahi manaʻo ʻokoʻa i ka mea i manaʻo ʻia e ka mea haʻi ʻōlelo a mea kākau paha. No ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o kāu ʻōlelo, pono ʻoe e hōʻike i ka ʻāpana mua o kēlā paukū "no ke Akua mai ia" ua metaphorical a ʻo ka ʻāpana hope "a e hoʻi ana i ke Akua" he mea maoli. He aha kāu hōʻoia i kēlā?
Maikaʻi, a laila ʻike ʻoe aia he huaʻōlelo Helene maikaʻi maikaʻi loa no ka "hoʻi ʻana" a i ʻole "hoʻi ʻana," a John i hoʻohana ʻole ai i kēia mau paukū.
PS no wai ʻoe i hana ai? No hea mai kāu mau kekelē ʻōlelo?
Ua liʻuliʻu wau e ʻike i kēia pae ʻōlelo, no ka mea, ke maopopo nei ke alo nei ʻoe i kaʻu nīnau. Ua loaʻa loa iaʻu. Ua kākau wau: "Ua hana wau ma ke ʻano he unuhi loea no nā makahiki. Hiki iā ʻoe ke kāhea wale i kahi mea wehewehe hewa inā hōʻike ia i kahi manaʻo ʻokoʻa i ka mea i manaʻo ʻia e ka mea haʻi ʻōlelo a mea kākau paha. No ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o kāu ʻōlelo, pono ʻoe e hōʻike i ka ʻāpana mua o kēlā paukū "no ke Akua ʻo ia i hele mai ai" he metaphorical aʻo ka ʻāpana hope "a e hoʻi ana i ke Akua" he mea maoli. He aha nā hōʻike... Pākuhi hou »
"Hiki iā ʻoe ke kāhea wale i kahi mea wehewehe hewa ke hōʻike ia i kahi manaʻo ʻokoʻa i ka mea i manaʻo ʻia e ka mea haʻi ʻōlelo a mea kākau paha."
ʻAe, ʻae au, "hoʻi" e hōʻike i kahi manaʻo ʻokoʻa ma mua o ka "go."
ʻO ia ka "hōʻoia."
Inā maopopo iā John ka paukū mua "mai ke Akua mai" e like me ʻoe, a laila ua hoʻohana ʻo John i ka "hoʻi."
Ke kuhi nei ʻoe. Hoʻohana ʻo Luka i ka huaʻōlelo like ma Acts 19:21 i kona hoʻi ʻana i Ierusalema. ʻAʻole ʻōlelo ka NIV "hoʻi" akā maʻalahi "e hele i Ierusalema". Ma muli o kāu kumumanaʻo, no ka mea ʻike mākou ua hele mai ʻo Paul mai Ierusalema mai, inā ua hoʻohana ʻo Luke i kahi huaʻōlelo ʻokoʻa ʻoiai e hoʻi ana ʻo Paul i kahi āna i noho ai ma mua. Kou mau manaʻo (a i ʻole naʻu no ia mea) e pili ana i nā mea e wehewehe a hoʻohana ʻole paha ka mea kākau kumu i nā mea waiwai. Inā mākou e lawe i kā mākou poʻe heluhelu e ʻae i ka mea a mākou e aʻo ai ma muli o kā mākou mau manaʻo a... Pākuhi hou »
Pololei ʻoe, ka NIV pololei ke unuhi poreuomai i nā Hana 19.21 maʻalahi e like me "e hoʻi" ʻaʻole "hoʻi."
A ʻae, hōʻohewa ʻo Iesū i nā kumu Parisaio wahaheʻe no laila ke kumu i loko o ka mokuna like ua hoʻohiki ʻo ia e hoʻouna i nā kumu ʻoiaʻiʻo, Mat 23.34!
I kuʻu hoʻomaopopo ʻana, pili ka poʻe Ariano a me nā Socinians ʻo Iesu ka Makua i hele mai ai. ʻO ʻoe, ua neʻe ʻia ke akua hānau ʻo Logos i kino kanaka e ka Makua, a, lākou, ua hānau ʻia ʻo Iesū e ka ʻuhane hemolele i loko o ka ʻōpū o Maria e ka Makua. Hōʻike lāua ʻelua, iaʻu ma ka liʻiliʻi, e ʻōlelo ana ʻo Iesū no ke kumu i kū mai ai ʻo ia, ʻaʻole kahi, kahi e koi ai i kahi manaʻo mua. Kuhi ʻia kēia manaʻo i ka poʻe e ʻōlelo ana iā ia e hoʻi "hoʻi", ʻaʻole kēia ma kekahi o nā interlinear aʻu i nānā ai. ʻAʻole wau i pāʻani i nā pāʻani huaʻōlelo, I... Pākuhi hou »
BT1: “Hiki iaʻu ke nīnau i ka manawa hea ʻoe e manaʻo ai ua hoʻokomo ʻia ka ʻike o ka Logos i loko o ke kino o Iesū? "
ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke nīnau iaʻu i kēlā, no ka mea ʻaʻole ʻoe i pane iaʻu i ka nīnau.
Ke koi nei ʻoe i kahi kuleana ʻekolu he kuhi hewa ʻole ʻekolu mau ʻōlelo mai Ioane mai, akā ʻaʻole hāʻawi i kahi hōʻoia, ʻo kou manaʻo wale nō ia.
E ʻoluʻolu e hāʻawi i ka hōʻoia aia kahi wehewehe hewa, a i ʻole ma ka liʻiliʻi e ʻae e hāʻawi wale ana ʻoe i kahi manaʻo pilikino.
Manaʻo wau e kāwili ana paha ʻoe iaʻu me kekahi mea haʻi ʻōlelo ʻē aʻe, ʻaʻole ʻoe i nīnau iaʻu i kekahi nīnau i kāu pane.
Pololei ʻoe. E kala mai e pili ana i kēlā. Ua huikau wau i ka lawelawe ʻana i nā pae he nui i ka manawa hoʻokahi.
ʻAe iā Eric, ke pāʻani nei me nā huaʻōlelo. Mahalo, ua pane ʻoe i kekahi mau mea ma kahi o wau.
Frankie.
Aloha bereanthinker1,
E ʻoluʻolu e ʻike i ka pane a Eric ma lalo, ʻae au me ia. Kēia 1 Cor 15 Hiki iaʻu ke wehewehe i kahi keiki me ka pilikia ʻole e hoʻohana ana i nā huaʻōlelo maʻalahi, e wehewehe ana i nā huaʻōlelo a me ke kumu. Ke hoʻohana nei i nā huaʻōlelo maʻalahi ke keiki maopopo ʻaʻole wau mai koʻu makuakāne i koʻu wā i hānau ʻia ai a me nā mea ʻē aʻe. Aʻole pilikia.
E ʻoluʻolu, e lilo hou i keiki i ka heluhelu ʻana i ka Baibala a e ʻoluʻolu, e hoʻomanaʻo i ka ʻōlelo a Iesū ma Mat 11:25. Aia ka nani i ka maʻalahi.
Aloha a aloha kuʻu kaikunāne.
Frankie
Whoa Whoa, ʻaʻole ʻoe e pili i kou makua kāne a me kou makuahine ?? He typo paha? Inā ʻaʻole ma hea i ka honua i kou manaʻo no hea ʻoe? Ua ola hou ʻoe? Ua pili ka ʻuhane i loko o ke kanaka? Ua hoʻi paha ʻo Marshall Applewhite no ke koena o kāna poʻe ukali? lol e hoʻāʻo nei e hoʻohui i kahi hoʻomākeʻaka ma aneʻi 😉
ʻAe e BT1 aloha, he kanaka hauʻoli wau, a he ʻoiaʻiʻo kēlā. ʻO ke kuhi, wehewehe wau i ka huaʻōlelo "hele mai" i ka paukū pili i ke keiki ma ke ʻano kumu. E hele wāwae, ma ke kaʻa, ma ka mokulele, a pēlā aku. No laila ma kēia hihia o ka manaʻo kumu o ka huaʻōlelo "hele mai" ʻaʻole au i hele mai mai koʻu mau mākua mai. Ua kākau maopopo wau: "ʻO kēia 1 Cor 15 hiki iaʻu ke wehewehe i kahi keiki me ka ʻole o nā pilikia e hoʻohana ana i nā huaʻōlelo maʻalahi, e wehewehe ana i nā huaʻōlelo kiʻi a no ke aha. Maikaʻi? ʻLelo aku nei wau iā ʻoe, e hoʻonui i ke keiki a ʻoi aku ka ʻepekema, e ʻoluʻolu. ʻAno hoʻohenehene loa ʻoe, a i ka manawa wale nō... Pākuhi hou »
E nā mea koho, makemake wau e ʻōlelo i kekahi mau huaʻōlelo e pili ana i kēia kūkā kamaʻilio holoʻokoʻa. Akā ʻo ka mea mua, e wehewehe wau pehea wau e hele ai me kahi hiʻohiʻona i hāʻawi ʻia e ke kaikaina Nightingale. Kuhikuhi ia i kahi kuhi hewa i kuhi ʻia ma nā paukū John 20:20 a me nā ʻOihana 2:31. Pili paha ka huikau o kahi keiki i ka Baibala aʻu e heluhelu ai i ka paukū 2:31. Inā ʻo NIV ia, ʻaʻole e huikau ke keiki, no ka mea, ma laila, e like me ka nui o nā Baibala, hoʻohana ʻia ka huaʻōlelo "popopo" (i nā Baibala ʻē aʻe, hoʻohana ʻia ka huaʻōlelo "popopo"). ʻAʻole i noho ʻo Iesū i loko o ka hale kupapaʻu, a pēlā nō kona kino... Pākuhi hou »
CORRECTION: Ua hana hewa wau, e kala mai. ʻAʻole pono nā kaha puanaʻī i ka paukū hope - aia he mau huaʻōlelo mea nui me nā kaha puanaʻī.
Frankie
E kuʻu mau kaikaina, me ka mahalo i ka ʻulaʻula i lawe ʻia ma lalo o kaʻu hoʻoponopono ʻana makemake wau e wehewehe i kēia mau ʻōlelo. Ke manaʻoʻiʻo nei wau i ko Iesu ola ma mua o ke kanaka, a ke manaʻoʻiʻo nei hoʻi wau ua loaʻa iā ia ka hanohano a Iēhova i hāʻawi ai iā ia (John 17: 5), ua aloha kona Makua iā ia ma mua o ka hoʻokumu ʻana o ka honua (John 17:24) a ʻo ia komo i ka hana ʻana o ke ao holoʻokoʻa (John 1: 3,10) a he kūlana kūikawā ko ia i Universe ma ke ʻano he Keiki hiwahiwa ma mua o ka hoʻomaka o ka manawa. Akā he mea hou aku. ʻO ke aloha o Iēhova no kāna Keiki a pau loa ia, a ʻoiai ia iā... Pākuhi hou »
E hana i kahi hoʻokolohua liʻiliʻi a hoʻāʻo i kēia “maopopo i kēlā me kēia keiki kēia ʻōlelo” -lepili mai kahi kihi ʻē aʻe a ʻike inā holo pono ia. E ʻōlelo kākou e hoʻomau ana kahi keiki e heluhelu i ka ʻeuanelio a Ioane a laila heluhelu e pili ana i ke ala hou ʻana o Iesu. A laila heluhelu ʻo ia ma John 20:20: "Ma hope o kāna ʻōlelo ʻana i kēia, hōʻike ʻo ia iā lākou i kona mau lima a me kāna ʻaoʻao. Olioli iho la na haumana i ka ike ana i ka Haku. Pehea e maopopo ai i kahi keiki? Hoʻoholo maoli ia ʻo ia nō ke kanaka like e ola hou nei. Ua loaʻa nō kēlā mau lua i kona mau lima a... Pākuhi hou »
A ʻike ke keiki kēlā nalowale ʻo Iesū i ka ea lahilahi, he aha kāna e manaʻoʻiʻo ai? A ʻike ke keiki ua ʻikea ʻo Iesū i nā haumāna ʻelua i kahi ʻano ʻokoʻa, a laila nalo koke akula mai ke alo aku, he aha kāna e manaʻoʻiʻo ai? Ke ʻike ke keiki iā Iesū e piʻi ana i ka lani a nalowale, he aha kāna e manaʻoʻiʻo ai? I ka haʻi ʻia ʻana i kēlā keiki ʻaʻole hiki i ka ʻiʻo a me ke koko ke lilo i ke aupuni o ka lani, he aha kāna e manaʻoʻiʻo ai? A ke haʻi ʻia mai kaʻu keiki ua make kahi kino kino akā ua hoʻāla ʻia kahi kino uhane, he aha kāna e manaʻoʻiʻo ai?
No nā Pilipi 2: 5, ʻo Iesū e like me ʻAdamu i hana ʻia i ke kiʻi (Tese-lem, morphe) o ke Akua ʻaʻole i hoʻāʻo e like me ke Akua e like me kā Adamu i hoʻāʻo ai. Ua hoʻohaʻahaʻa ʻo Iesū iā ia iho a make a paipai ʻia mākou e loaʻa ka haʻahaʻa like.
Ke loaʻa nei kēia manaʻo o ka hoʻohālike ʻana iā Kristo me ka hoʻohaʻahaʻa; pehea e uku ai i ka haʻaheo a me ka hoʻokano?
Ua haʻi aku wau iā Anthony Buzzard e pili ana i kā Eric wikiō. Eia ka pane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtTJx_TOM8Y&t=621s Aloha ʻo Anthony e noʻonoʻo nei. No laila maʻalahi kahi keiki e hiki ke hoʻomaopopo iā ia
Alithia, ua kau wale wau i kahi loulou e pili ana i ka pane a Anthony Buzzard i kā Eric wikiō. ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu inā e censored ʻia ana ʻaʻole paha no ka mea, ʻae, he loulou ia. Ua manaʻo wau e hoihoi paha ʻoe iā ia inā i hoʻolei ʻia ka pou hope aʻu i hoʻouna aku ai iā ʻoe
Nui a hewahewa nā manaʻo o Buzzard aʻu e hoʻāʻo ai e kuhikuhi i ka manawa kūpono.
Ke kakali nei mākou i kāu pane a makemake mākou e kono iā ʻoe i kahi hoʻopaʻapaʻa pūnaewele, i kēlā me kēia manawa.
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Maʻalahi loa e hoʻopau i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo i nā hoʻopaʻapaʻa ola. Makemake wau e hana i kahi wikiō e ʻae ai i nā ʻaoʻao ʻelua e hana i ka noiʻi piha e kākoʻo i kā lākou mau koi a hāʻawi i nā kuhikuhi no nā mea nānā e nānā no lākou iho.
Ua hoʻolōʻihi paha kekahi i ka manawa e hoʻohālikelike i ka Genesis 1:26 ma kahi e ʻōlelo ai ua hana ke Akua i ke kanaka ma kona ʻano? ʻike i ka mea aʻe mai ka huaʻōlelo Hebera i hoʻohana ʻia no ke kiʻi. tseh'-lem Mai kahi aʻa i hoʻohana ʻole ʻia e hoʻomalumalu; he phantom, ʻo ia, (figurative) illusion, like; No laila he kiʻi lunamakaʻāinana, ʻo ia hoʻi he kiʻi: - kiʻi, hōʻike lapuwale. a ʻike i ka Helene e like me ka mea i hōʻike ʻia ma ka Septuagint; LSJ Gloss: εἰκών he ʻano, kiʻi, kiʻi Dodson: εἰκών he kiʻi, ʻano, bust. Kaha o: εἰκών kahi ʻano, ʻo ia hoʻi (kiʻi) kiʻi, kiʻiona, a i ʻole (figurative) hiʻohiʻona, like me Derivation: mai G1503; HoʻohanaVV: kiʻi. G1503 TBESG: εἰκών kiʻi G: NF... Pākuhi hou »
Eia kahi papa inoa o nā Palapala Hemolele aʻu i manaʻo ai e noʻonoʻo ka poʻe āpau e hopu a hoʻomaopopo i ka idiom Iudaio. E pili ana i ka manaʻo o ka piʻi a me ka iho ʻana mai ka lani mai, ʻaʻole ia he kumu no ka huakaʻi hele ākea mai ka lani a ka honua a mai ka honua a i ka lani. E ʻoluʻolu e ahonui a lawa hoʻi i ka heluhelu ʻana i ka ʻōlelo a ke Akua, i hōʻike ʻia i loko o kā Eric framework i ke ʻano e maopopo ai i ka pēpē. Kānāwailua mokuna 30 paukū 11 a me 12 e ʻōlelo ana; no ka mea, ʻo kēia kauoha aʻu e kauoha aku nei iā ʻoe i kēia lā, ʻaʻole paʻakikī ia iā ʻoe, ʻaʻole hoʻi i hiki ʻole i ke kauā. ʻAʻole ia i loko... Pākuhi hou »
Alithia, maikaʻi, nā helu maikaʻi. Pono e hoʻomaopopo ʻia nā idioms Iudaio i ka heluhelu ʻana i ka baibala. ʻO ka moʻomeheu Iudaio, nā palapala Iudaio, ka poʻe Iudaio, ka noʻonoʻo Iudaio. He Iudaio ʻo Ioane, he Iudaio ʻo Paulo, he Iudaio ʻo Iesū
E Meleti aloha, nā Kalikiano Unitarian o kēia lā e alakaʻi ʻia e ka neʻe 21st Century Reformation i hoʻomaka ʻia e sir Anthony Buzzard ponoʻī nā kumu Socinianism o kēia lā. Ke aʻo nei lākou ʻaʻole ʻo Iesu Kristo ma mua o kona hānau ʻia ʻana ma ke ʻano he kanaka ma ka honua. Ua hoʻokuʻu aku kāna hoa aloha ʻo Pastor Dan Gil i ka wikiō wikiō e aʻo nei ʻaʻole i kū ʻo Iesū i ka lani. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XsDoS_lYPM E like me kāu i ʻōlelo ai, ua hoʻomaka ka neʻe ʻana ma ke ʻano he kumu maikaʻi, e hōʻoia i ka hewa he trinity, akā kaumaha ke kani ʻana o ke pendulum ma ke ʻaoʻao ʻē aʻe a ua hoʻomaka lākou e aʻo iā Iesū ʻaʻole ia ma ka lani.... Pākuhi hou »
Hoʻokahi wale nō mau palapala hemolele i ka ʻ Proverbslelo Pepelu e pili wale ana i ka "ʻike naʻauao" e like me ka inoa i kapa ʻia ma nā ʻ Proverbslelo Nūhō i ka pōʻaiapili like. Akamai i noho pū me ke Akua.
E pili ana i ka papa inoa o nā palapala hemolele āu e ʻōlelo ai ma hope ʻaʻole pono e pūʻiwa ʻoe i ka hapanui o lākou e hoʻohana ʻia e nā trinitarians kekahi.
Akā mahalo no ka papa inoa. ʻO ke kuhi, hoʻopili pololei ʻia me ka hoʻomaopopo?
Vous dites: Dʻune part, les écritures des Proverbes ne sʻappliquent qu'à la «sagesse» telle quʻelle est nommée dans les Proverbes dans le mëme contexte. Sagesse qui résidait avec Dieu. ʻO nā ʻōlelo ma luna o ka appliquer à une qualité ces expression: ”ʻO J'étais un ARTISAN QUALIFIE [f] à côté de Lui. ʻO J'ÉTAIS Son PLAISIR chaque jour, me RÉJOUISSANT TOUJOURS DEVANT LUI. 31 JE ME REJOUISSAIS DANS Son MONDE HABITE me REJOUISSANT DE LA RACE HUMAINE. ” Manaʻo ka manaʻo no ka maikaʻi? ”L'Éternel mʻa fait au commencement de sa création,” La sagesse nʻa pas eu besoin d'être créée, elle existait... Pākuhi hou »
Noʻonoʻo pono ʻo Nicole. He mea hoʻomākeʻaka ka pehea e koho ai nā Socinians e nānā ʻole i kēia ʻike. ʻAʻole paha he hoʻomākeʻaka, akā manaʻo ʻia. Koi ʻo Eisegesis i kekahi e kāpae i kekahi mea i kū i ka manaʻo mua o kekahi.
ʻO Alithia pololei, ʻ Proverbslelo Pepelu 8 e pili ana i ka "lady wisdom" ke ʻano o ka naʻauao. he mea ʻakaʻaka ka ʻike ʻana o nā poʻe Tritarians a me nā poʻe ʻē aʻe i kēia ʻo Iesū ma mua. Hebera 1: 1,2 Hoʻokaʻawale ka mea kākau Hebera i ka mea a ke Akua i hoʻohana ai i ka OT a i kēia manawa. (Ke keikikāne) nāna i hana nā makahiki. ʻAʻole ka honua, ʻaʻole ka honua kino. Nā makahiki. ʻO kēlā pōhaku ʻuhane āna i kuhikuhi ai i ka ʻike ʻana e like nō me kā ʻAberahama ʻike ʻana iā ia (Iā Iesu) Ioane 8:56. Auē, aloha. Aia nā mea hou aʻe e hoʻohui akā pono wau e hele kokoke. na ke Akua e hoʻopōmaikaʻi aku
Aloha Alithia a me nā mea āpau, 21st Kenekulia reformation neʻe alakaʻi iā ʻoe e manaʻoʻiʻo e kamaʻilio ana kēia ʻōlelo noʻeau e pili ana i ka naʻauao wale nō. ʻOiai kekahi i kapa ʻia he poʻe ʻimi naʻau Baibala a me nā mea haʻi ʻōlelo e pili ana i ka naʻauao wale nō kēia. Hoʻolaha ua ʻōlelo wau i kekahi. ʻAʻole ʻae ka poʻe haʻi ʻōlelo Baibala he pili wale nō kēia i ka naʻauao. Eia ka loulou i ka Manaʻo Baibala: https://biblehub.com/commentaries/proverb/8-22.htm E nānā i ka ʻōlelo a Elliot no nā mea heluhelu ʻEnelani e pili ana i nā Hebera 8: 22: "(22) Ua loaʻa ka Haku iaʻu" i ka hoʻomaka o kāna ala. — ʻO ka huaʻōlelo Hebera i unuhi ʻia ”loaʻa” i kēia paukū (qānah) me he mea lā ua kuhikuhi ʻia e "hoʻonohonoho" a i ʻole "hoʻokumu," a pili ʻia (1)... Pākuhi hou »
Mahalo no kou hāʻawi ʻana mai i kēia kānana noʻonoʻo.
CORRECTION: ʻAʻole i hoʻomaka ʻo Sir Anthony Buzzard i ka neʻe ʻana o ka 21st Century Reformation. He ʻoihana kēlā i hoʻomaka ʻia e ka Gills 21stcr.org.
ʻOi aku ka lōʻihi o nā non-trinis ma mua o kēlā.
Paipai wau iā ʻoe e heluhelu iā Williams, ʻO ka Hoʻohou Hou.
ʻO kahi manaʻo makemake wau e hoʻohui. Ua hoʻopaʻi ʻo Iēhova i nā "ʻuhane" i haʻalele i ko lākou wahi kūpono a lawe i ke ʻano o nā kānaka. Ua luku ʻo Iēhova i nā Nepilim hewa i hua i ka hybrid o ka ʻuhane a me ka ʻiʻo.
E haʻi iaʻu, ma ka ʻoiaʻiʻo ʻaʻole e loli ʻo Jah a paʻa ʻoiaʻiʻo i nā manawa āpau; no ke aha ke Akua e ʻae ai i kēlā mea ke pili i ka Mesia? He huahana hybrid anei ʻo Iesū a me ka ʻiʻo?
Ke kani nei kēlā hoʻomaopopo ʻana i ke Akua a me Iesu e hōʻino ʻole iaʻu.
Dieu a envoyé des anges qui se sont faits hommes selon sa volonté. Des anges matérialisés dans la chair ont parlé et étaient vus par Sarah, Abraham, Lot… et envoyés par Dieu. ʻO Christ lui mēme sʻest matérialisé après sa résurrection. Il n'y a aucune contradict. Dieu a condamné les anges qui se sont faits hommes du temps du déluge car leurs mobiles étaient immoraux. Ils nʻavaient aucune Mission divine lʻavoir fait. Pour la préexistante du Christ, les différentes paroles de Jean citées par Eric me suisent pour croire ce que le Christ a dit: ”je suis le pain vivant qui est turunu... Pākuhi hou »
Maikaʻi loa e Nicole, maikaʻi loa.
E kau, e Nicole
He kuhi maikaʻi kēlā Alithia. Hoʻokahi mea pono e nau aku i kaʻoiaʻiʻo. Ua hāʻawi wau i kekahi mau helu i nā manaʻo Youtube. ʻO Grant Knott koʻu inoa inoa. ʻO kekahi o nā helu hou loa aʻu i kiʻi ai no ke aha ma ka honua e hoʻonāukiuki ai ʻo Sātana e hoʻowalewale iā Iesū ʻoiai ʻoiaʻiʻo e ʻike ʻo ia ʻo ia kekahi ʻano ʻuhane mega maoli i mua o Iēhova no Trillions (a he aha) mau makahiki. ? He aha ke kuhi? He hana makehewa inā aia kekahi. na ke Akua e hoʻopōmaikaʻi aku
Oh mahalo Grant, ua hauʻoli au i kāu hāʻawi ma You Tube. Ma hea ʻoe e noho ai ma ka honua? Makemake au e hopu inā ma Australia ma ka Gold Coast.
ʻO Alithia maikaʻi kēlā. Aia wau ma Cairns. Ma ʻaneʻane ʻelua makahiki wau ma aneʻi. Mai Tasmania mai
ʻAe. He kanaka maoli ʻo Iesū. ʻAʻole ia e pale i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o kona ola ma mua. 'Tellslelo maiʻo Pilipi iā mākou ua hoʻoneleʻo ia iā ia iho. No laila, ʻoiai he akua ʻo ia ma mua, ua haʻalele ʻo ia i kēlā ʻano a lawe i ke ʻano o ke kanaka. He kumu kūʻai kūpono ia, ʻo Adamu hope loa. Lana koʻu manaʻo e kōkua ia i ka hoʻomaʻemaʻe i kou huikau.
E Eric, ke nīnau nei paha ʻoe iā ʻoe iho i ka mea i loaʻa i kēlā "mea" a Iesū i manaʻo ai? Ke Akua hana? Ua make paha? Pili anei ka baibala ma ia mea? Ua nalo wale a uhi paha? Serious inā ʻo Iesū kekahi mea ʻē aʻe ma mua o kona ola ʻana, ʻaʻole ʻoe e noʻonoʻo e pili paha ka baibala iā ia. Kuhi ʻia nā ʻānela a me ko lākou mau inoa. Ua haʻi ʻia ka puke a Enoka i nā mea ʻē aʻe he nui i ka hana keu-biblika akā ʻaʻohe mea e pili wale me ka ʻuhane o ka mea kiʻekiʻe loa i loko o Maria. Hoʻohana nā Trinitarians he nui i ka eisegesis i loko o Pilipi 2: 6-11. Manaʻo lākou i nā mea i loko o ka ʻōlelo a hōʻea i... Pākuhi hou »
ʻO Swaffi, like kou noʻonoʻo ʻana me he mea lā "ʻaʻole hiki iaʻu ke ʻike pehea e holo ai kēia, no laila hewa paha ia." Inā pili maoli kēlā mau mea iā ʻoe a pale iā ʻoe mai ka ʻike ʻana i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo o ke ʻano o Iesū, malia paha hiki iā ʻoe ke ʻike i ka ʻōlelo a Paulo i kekahi mau Korinto. Me he mea lā e hoʻohana ana kekahi o lākou i nā manaʻo like e hoʻowalewale i ka manaʻolana o ke ala hou ʻana. "Akā e ʻōlelo kekahi," Pehea e ala ai ka poʻe make? A me ke ʻano o ke kino hea lākou e hele mai ai? Lapuwale ʻoe! ʻAʻole e ola kēlā āu e lūlū nei inā ʻaʻole e make; a ʻo ka mea āu... Pākuhi hou »
Hiki iaʻu ke ʻae me ʻoe i kāu ʻōlelo ʻana…. ʻAʻole hiki iaʻu ke ʻike pehea e holo ai kēia, no laila hewa paha ia. ” ʻano noʻonoʻo. Hiki ke ʻōlelo ʻia e pili ana i ka nīnau ʻana a i ka hoʻomāʻewaʻewa paha i ka mana o ke Akua ke hoʻopā ʻo ia i kāna hoʻolālā, kāna kumu i loaʻa ai i ka mea hoʻolālā nui (a ke hana nei nō hoʻi) iā ia ma mua o ka hōʻike ʻia o nā mea i mua o kā mākou maka. ʻO kekahi o nā palapala hemolele aʻu i haʻalele ai no kekahi kumu ʻo ia Hōʻike 4:11. He palapala kēia na JW's a me ex JW i kamaʻāina loa, akā naʻe, kakaikahi paha ka mea i loaʻa. ʻO wau kekahi o lākou. Hāʻawi ʻia, kekahi mau unuhi... Pākuhi hou »
Aloha Meleti, Mahalo no kou hoʻokolokolo ʻana a me kāu hana luhi ʻole no ke kino o Kristo. I koʻu manaʻo, hiki ke hāʻawi ʻia i kekahi o nā huaʻōlelo āu i hōʻike ai i ka noho notional a me ka noi ʻana o ka idiom Iudaio maʻamau o ke ʻano kanaka me ka ʻole o ka dissonance nui. Ke ʻōlelo ʻia nei naʻe, aia paha he mau ʻaoʻao ʻē aʻe kahi o ka heluhelu maopopo loa ʻana e pili ana i ka noho mua ʻana o Iesū i kona noho kino ʻana. Ma kēia kumuhana, makemake wau e ʻaelike me ʻoe. Eia nō naʻe, makemake wau e paʻi liʻiliʻi iā ʻoe e pili ana i kāu noi o 2 Jn. 1: 7ff. ʻOiai ʻaʻole mākou e hana... Pākuhi hou »
ʻO ka pilina pili kaiaulu a ko mākou Makua lani i hoʻolālā i nā mea weliweli o kēia ao ʻaʻole hiki ke pololei no ka mea "aloha ke Akua"! ʻO kēia implication ka mea e kaumaha mau ai iaʻu ke hoʻāʻo nā mea like ʻole e hōʻoia iaʻu i ka noʻonoʻo kaiapili. Hiki i ke keiki ke hoʻomaopopo he aloha ke Akua. E hoʻāʻo e lawe i koʻu hilinaʻi i ke Akua ma ka hoʻohuli ʻana iaʻu ua hoʻolālā ʻo ia i nā mea weliweli o kēia ao a no laila aloha ʻole wau i ka ʻīlio o kahi hana. Ua hana ʻia kēia iaʻu a ʻike ʻeha loa ka hoʻāʻo ʻana o kekahi e hoʻouka i ke aʻa o koʻu manaʻoʻiʻo... Pākuhi hou »
No ka maikaʻi ʻo Adamu! He makemake nui kāu pane! Hiki paha iaʻu ke nīnau iā ʻoe, he aha ka pilina ma waena o ka manaʻo "Socinian" inā he ola mua ko Iesū a me ka makua lani e hoʻolālā i nā mea weliweli o kēia ao? A pehea kēia e hoʻouka ai i ke aʻa o kou hilinaʻi i kahi makuakāne aloha? ʻO kekahi nīnau e pili ana i kāu manaʻo hiki i ka poʻe e manaʻoʻiʻo ʻole i ka Iesu ma mua ke lilo i dogmatic. ʻAʻole i pili iā ʻoe e hiki iā lākou ke hōʻoia piha a loaʻa i kumu kumu no ka ʻoi? ʻO wau no kēlā... Pākuhi hou »
Aloha Alithia, paʻa wau i ka manaʻo like me ʻoe. ʻAʻole ʻoe ma kāu iho. Ua kī ʻo Eric a me wau i nā poʻo i loko o kēlā wikiō youtube. Ua lawe ʻo ia i kekahi o koʻu mau pou i lalo. ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu ka mea hea. ʻAʻole makemake ʻo ia i nā mea i hoʻolei ʻia iā ia. Ua ʻōlelo ʻo ia ʻaʻole makemake ʻo ia e launa hou me aʻu. ʻO nā mea āpau no ka mea ʻaʻole wau e kūlike i kāna aʻo. ʻO wai kēlā e hoʻomanaʻo ai iā ʻoe?
Hoʻomaopopo ia iaʻu ka lunaʻōlelo John nāna i haʻi mai iā mākou. No ka mea, he nui nā mea hoʻopunipuni i hele aku i ka honua, hōʻole e haʻi i ka hiki ʻana mai o Iesū Kristo ma ke kino. ʻO kēlā mea kēia mea hoʻopunipuni a me ka antichrist. 8 E makaala ia oukou iho, o nalowale ka mea a makou i hana aku ai, aka, i ukuia mai oukou. 9 ʻO ka mea e holo i mua me ka hoʻomau ʻole i ke aʻo ʻana a Kristo ʻaʻole ona Akua. ʻO ka mea e hoʻomau i kāna aʻo ʻana, ʻo ia ka Makua a me ke Keiki. 10 Inā hele mai kekahi i ou lā akā ʻaʻole ia e lawe i kēia aʻo, mai lawe aku iā ia i loko o kāu... Pākuhi hou »
Aloha Eric Ua kānalua wau e pili ana i kāu noi o 2. John 7. Manaʻo wau ke hoʻowahāwahā nei ʻoe i ka huaʻōlelo "hele mai" ma laila. A eia ke kumu. E nānā pehea e kamaʻilio ai e pili ana i "nā poʻe ʻaʻole e hōʻoiaʻiʻo iā Iesu Kristo e hele mai ana i ke kino." ʻAʻole ia e ʻōlelo "nā poʻe ʻaʻole e hōʻoia i ke keiki a ke Akua e hele mai ana i ke kino". Inā ua ʻōlelo ia, a laila e noʻonoʻo paha kāu noi: ʻo ka mua ma ka lani ʻo Iesū ke keiki a ke Akua ma ke ʻano he ʻuhane a laila hele mai i ke kino i ka Honua a lilo ʻo Kristo - a hōʻole nā poʻe āpau... Pākuhi hou »
Hāʻawi ʻia nā ʻōlelo a John e pale i ka ulu ulu ʻana o Gnosticism i loko o ka ʻaha Kalikiano. Manaʻo nā Gnostics he maʻemaʻe ka ʻuhane, akā ua haumia ka ʻiʻo. ʻAʻole hiki iā lākou ke ʻae ua lilo kahi ʻuhane i kino, a iā lākou hoʻi e hōʻino ana i ka ʻuhane. No laila ua hilinaʻi nui lākou i kahi kanaka Akua ma mua o ka hāpai ʻana o ka poʻe Trinitarians i ka manaʻo. ʻO Iesū maoli, iā lākou, he ʻuhane a he ʻoluʻolu ka ʻiʻo e launa pū me nā kānaka, akā ʻo ke kino a me ka piʻo, ʻaʻole hiki i ka Kristo he kino wale, he kanaka maoli. John 17: 3 haʻi iā mākou i ka ʻike... Pākuhi hou »
Hāʻawi ʻia nā ʻōlelo a John e pale i ka ulu ulu ʻana o Gnosticism i loko o ka ʻaha Kalikiano. . .ʻO Iesū maoli, iā lākou, he ʻuhane a he ʻoluʻolu ka ʻiʻo e launa pū me nā kānaka, akā ʻo ke kino a me ka pelapela, ʻaʻole hiki i ka Kristo he kino wale, he kanaka maoli. Lana koʻu manaʻo ʻaʻole wau wale nō ka mea e ʻike nei i ka hoʻohenehene maka aniani ma aneʻi ?? ʻO ka mea i luna ke ʻano kūpono o ke kūlana Arian, ʻoiai, ʻaʻole maikaʻi ʻole ia. ʻO ia ke kumu e hakakā nei au me ia. E kala mai iaʻu, akā ke lawe nei i kahi kumu ola akua (noʻonoʻo ʻole ʻia ʻoe, ke ʻole ʻoe e manaʻoʻiʻo... Pākuhi hou »
ʻO ka mea a ka Baibala i aʻo mai ai iā mākou, no ka lani mai ʻo Iesū, a ua ʻike ʻia ʻo ia ka huaʻōlelo, he akua ia a he akua paha, ua hāʻawi ʻo ia i nā mea āpau a lilo i kanaka piha. Pehea e hiki ai, nā mīkini o ke kaʻina hana, ʻaʻole pono e hopohopo iā mākou. Hiki iaʻu ke kiʻi i kahi kelepona a kāhea aku i kekahi ma kekahi ʻaoʻao o ka honua. Pono wau e ʻike pehea e hiki ai. Hiki iaʻu, no ka mea he ʻenehana ʻenehana kēlā, akā ʻaʻole pono wau e ʻike e pōmaikaʻi ai i ka ʻenehana. ʻĀ, ma ka hihia o ka hoʻoili ʻana i ka... Pākuhi hou »
Aloha Eric. Hoʻomaopopo kēia mea i kāu replay iaʻu i kahi manaʻo o ke kumu o ka Baibala ma ke ʻano he leka na ke Akua - "ʻO ke kumu nui o ka Baibala ʻaʻole ia e pane i ka nīnau" HOW ", akā e pane i ka nīnau" WHY ". Pololei 'oe. ʻAʻole maopopo iā mākou he aha nā ikehu, nā kahua ʻike a i ʻole nā mea ʻē aʻe e hana ai i ka lani. ʻAʻole mākou e pili iki i nā mea o ke Akua a i nā kumu paha a ke Akua e hoʻohana ai i ka ʻUhane Hemolele. ʻIke nō, ʻaʻohe a mākou manaʻo manaʻo e hoʻomaopopo i nā kaʻina hana āpau i ka lani. Ua like mākou me Neanderthals e noho ana i mua o ke kīwī. Ke kuleana... Pākuhi hou »
ʻO kēlā mau "palapala hemolele" āu e kuhikuhi ai ua piha i ka idiom Iudaio. ʻAʻole hiki iā ʻoe ma ke ʻano he haumana Baibala koʻikoʻi ke kau i kahi leka lekaʻeleʻele maʻalahi o kēia mau paukū i hoʻokahi makahiki 2021 Komohana a koi ʻoe ke hana nei ʻoe i ke kaulike i ka hāʻawi ʻana a i ʻole ka hoʻomaopopo ʻana iā lākou e like me ka mea i manaʻo ʻia e nā mea kākau i kekahi mau makahiki 2000 i hala aku nei e kākau ana ma ka ʻōlelo Helene a me kahi manaʻo Iudaio. ʻElua wale nō mau hōʻike i hala aku nei e kākoʻo ana ʻoe i kēia maikaʻi loa e hoʻopuka ai i kahi kiko akā ʻaʻole ʻoe i koho e hana pēlā i kēia hōʻike. No ke aha mai?
ʻAʻole hiki ke hoʻomaopopo ʻia kou ʻike i nā mea āpau a nā mea unuhi i kākau ai, akā pono mākou e wehewehe hou? No ka mea, he kumu ia e kākoʻo ai i kāu wehewehe.
Aloha Alithia, e ʻoluʻolu e haʻi iaʻu inā wau e hoʻolōʻihi i koʻu alo e pane ana i kāu mau manaʻo. ʻAʻole wau e huhū. Pono mākou āpau i ka paipai a me ke kākoʻo i nā manawa. ʻAe ʻae wau me kāu i ʻōlelo mai ai. Pono kākou āpau e nānā i ka palapala hemolele me ka manaʻo Iudaio. Aia kekahi mea Iudaio maoli o ka loli manawa e hele nei i kekahi manawa i ka palapala hemolele. Manaʻo maoli wau e hāʻule ka poʻe i loko o ka pahele Komohana o ka heluhelu ʻana i nā palapala hemolele. Pēlā i ʻōlelo ʻia ai, ʻae, hiki i kahi keiki ke hoʻomaopopo i kēlā mau palapala hemolele a John i ʻōlelo ai ʻo Eric. He keiki Iudaio a keiki paha i hoʻomaopopo i ka Iudaio... Pākuhi hou »
Inā he ahi ia i loko o kou ʻōpū a laila ʻo ia paha ka ʻuhane o ke Akua i loko ou e hoʻonāukiuki ana iā ʻoe e ʻōlelo! ʻO wai wau e kāohi iā ʻoe. E ʻoluʻolu e hoʻomau, ʻoluʻolu ʻoe. NANA AKU AKU I KOU MAU OLELO ME KA CENSORSHIP.
Aloha i nā poʻe a pau mai Alithia.
Ma ke kamaʻilio ʻana e pili ana i ka censorship iā Alithia, ua hoʻouna wale wau iā ʻoe i kahi pane hou akā ma hope o koʻu pā ʻana i ka "post comment" Hōʻike ia ... "Ke kali nei no ka ʻae" ʻAʻole i hana ʻia ma mua.
E like me aʻu he wahi lōʻihi koʻu ma ka ʻāina kali no kekahi mau lā ʻelua. ʻAʻohe mea kolohe, ʻaʻohe mea kākau ʻole e kuhikuhi wale nei i nā hāʻule pono.
Hoʻokomo ʻia i ke kūlou no ke kumu like. ʻElua mau loulou. Hana ʻia kēia ma ke ʻano he pale. He aha inā e hoʻoholo kekahi e hāʻawi i nā loulou i nā pūnaewele porn. E ʻōlelo kekahi he censorship kēlā. Ae 'O ia nō. Manaʻo kekahi he maikaʻi ʻole ka censorship āpau. ʻAʻole wau e kaʻana like i kēlā ʻike. E kānana wau i nā mea aʻu e manaʻo nei he wahaheʻe. ʻOiai ʻo Twitter a me facebook i ʻike i ka pono o kēlā, ʻoiai ua lohi loa. Maikaʻi wau me kekahi e hoʻopuka nei i kahi manaʻo ʻike wau he wahaheʻe inā manaʻo wau ua wehe lākou i ka hoʻopaʻapaʻa kūpono a inā... Pākuhi hou »
I pane i kāu nīnau, "No ke aha kēlā?" E kuhikuhi wau i ke kumu o wau, e like me kāu i ʻōlelo ai, "e kākoʻo ana i kēia mea maikaʻi loa he mau hōʻike ʻelua wale nō i hala aku nei" ʻo ka ʻae ʻana i kahi "heluhelu leka ʻeleʻele" i kēlā ʻano hana i hana i kahi mea kūʻē me nā ʻatikala ʻē aʻe. Ma muli o koʻu ʻae ʻole ua hiki i ka Baibala ke kūʻē iā ia iho, ua ʻike wau ua hele mākou e hohonu i ka ʻōlelo e hoʻoholo pono i ke ʻano. Eia nō naʻe, i kēia hanana ʻaʻohe kūlike e kū like a no laila ʻaʻohe kumu e nānā ai i kahi manaʻo ma waho o ka mea i ʻōlelo akāka ʻia. ʻO ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, ke Socinian... Pākuhi hou »
He haʻawina maʻalahi kēia paukū i ka hoʻohaʻahaʻa. ʻO ka manaʻo noʻonoʻo o Iesū kahi a Paul i paipai mai iā mākou e loaʻa. ʻO kahi haʻahaʻa, ʻano ʻokoʻa iā Adamu i ʻike iā ia iho i ke ʻano "Gods" (ke ʻano o ke Akua, Greek morphe) a ʻimi e like me ke Akua, hoʻohaʻahaʻa ʻo Iesū iā ia iho a hiki i ka make. E like mākou me ka noʻonoʻo. ʻO kēia ka haʻawina. E pili ana i ka noho mua o kēia manaʻo he home i waena o ka poʻe Gnostics a me nā Helene akeakamai o ka wā kahiko e like me Plato a me kēlā palapala, ʻo Iesū a me ʻoe e ʻōlelo kūʻē. ʻO ka "hoʻokahakaha iā ʻoe iho" kahi ʻōlelo Iudaio o ka pono ʻole. ʻ similarlelo like mākou i kēia mau lā... Pākuhi hou »
ʻO ka huaʻōlelo "form", morphe, ʻike ʻia ma nā wahi ʻekolu wale nō ma ka Palapala Hemolele Karistiano a ʻaʻole ia i unuhi ʻia ma ke ʻano he "kiʻi" (Greek, eikón) e like me kou alakaʻi ʻana iā mākou e manaʻoʻiʻo. Mai kāu mau manaʻo, ʻike wau ua lawa kou naʻauao a ua lawa ka ʻike e ʻike ai i kēlā, no laila pono wau e haʻohaʻo no ke aha ʻoe e hoʻohālikelike ai iā ia i ke "kiʻi". ʻIke mākou ua hana ʻia nā kāne i ke ʻano o ke Akua, akā ʻaʻole i hana ʻia i kona ʻano. Hoʻohana wale ʻia ʻo Morphe i ka Palapala Hemolele Kalikiano e pili ana iā Iesū. Loaʻa ka kuhikuhi mua ma Mareko 16:12 kahi a mākou e heluhelu ai: "Ma hope o kēia, ʻike ʻia ʻo Iesū i kahi ʻokoʻa... Pākuhi hou »
Ua kākau ʻoe: Eia, ua hoʻohālikelike ʻia ke ʻano o ke Akua (ʻuhane) me ke ʻano o kahi kauā (ʻiʻo kanaka).
Me ka ʻole o nā wehewehe ʻana i kēia mau paukū e kamaʻilio e pili ana i ʻelua mau ʻano: ke ʻano o ke Akua a me ke ʻano o kahi kauā a kauā paha. Hiki i kekahi ke nīnau no ke aha ʻaʻole ia e ʻōlelo "ʻano kanaka" inā ke kuhi e hana i kahi ʻokoʻa ma waena o ka ʻuhane a me ke kanaka? I kēia manawa ke kani hou aʻe ia e kamaʻilio e pili ana i ke kūlana o kekahi.
"Me ka ʻole o nā wehewehe hou"? Pehea e pili ana i ka wehewehe hoʻohui ʻia mai ka paukū ponoʻī?
"ke ʻano o ke kauā, hana ʻia i ke ʻano o ke kanaka. "
E hōʻemi ʻoe iā ia no ka mea ʻaʻole ia e hoʻohana i kahi huaʻōlelo āu i manaʻo ai he pono ia e hoʻohana akā hoʻohana ʻia i "hana ʻia i ke ʻano o ke kanaka". Maliʻa paha makemake ʻoe i ka mana BSB: “A ke ʻike ʻia i ke ʻano he kāne ”
Aloha Kakahiaka. Makemake wau e pane i kāu ʻōlelo. Ua ʻōlelo ʻo Eric ma ka hoʻolauna 8 mau ʻōlelo maikaʻi loa mai ka waha o Iesū iho i hele mai ai mai ka lani. ʻIke wau i kahi kūlana hoihoi hou aʻe ma laila. ʻO ka mea a Iesū ponoʻī i ʻōlelo ai ua hele mai ʻo ia "mai luna", mai ka lani, a i ka Honua ʻike maopopo ʻia mai kāna kamaʻilio ʻana me nā Iudaio, aia ma John 10: 24-33. Ua kākau pololei ʻoe "ua kali nā Iudaio no ka Mesia / Karistiano no nā kenekulia" e hiki mai "a ua hana ʻo ia - i ke kino, ma ke ʻano he kanaka," mai waena o ko lākou mau hoahānau ", ma ke ʻano he mamo na David, ma ke ʻano he wahine.... Pākuhi hou »
Aloha Frank Ua ʻike wau i kou manaʻo - akā, ʻaʻole pili kēia mau huaʻōlelo i nā Kalikiano maoli pū kekahi? ʻAʻole lākou no kēia ao, i hānau ʻia mai luna, i hānau ʻia na ke Akua, hoʻokahi me Iesū a me ke Akua? John 17, 1Jn 5: 1 ʻO Stephen kahi laʻana e maopopo leʻa pū kekahi me lākou, ua ʻike nō ʻo ia i ke Akua a me Iesū - a ua hailuku ʻia ʻo ia ma laila. Ua ʻike kēlā mau Iudaio iā ia ma ka mahele like ma mua o Iesū ʻoiai ʻaʻole ʻo ia i ʻōlelo maoli i nā huaʻōlelo like me kā Iesū i hana ai. ʻO Iesū ka hānau mua ma waena o nā hoahānau he nui. E "mai luna" ke kaikunāne ma kekahi ʻano ʻē aʻe ma mua o... Pākuhi hou »
Kūkākūkā hoihoi loa, ʻolua. ʻO kahi manaʻo wikiwiki i ka pane a Nightingale iā Frankie. ʻO koʻu manaʻo mua he ʻae, hiki i kekahi mau huaʻōlelo ke pili iā Iesu ʻokoʻa ma mua o ka pili ʻana i nā Karistiano ʻē aʻe. Eia nō naʻe, pili lākou iā Iesū e wehewehe nei ʻo wai ʻo ia, ʻo ke Keiki a ke Akua ʻokoʻa, e hōʻike ana paha i kona ʻano akua a i ʻole kona noho ma mua, akā inā pili i nā Karistiano, e haʻi lākou i ka mea a mākou e kū ʻole ai. , akā he aha mākou ma ke ʻano o ke komo ʻana i loko o Kristo, e like me ka mea i hōʻike ʻia ma 2 Petero 1.
Aloha Nightingale,
ʻAʻole nā kaikaina o Iesū, ʻo ia "ke keiki hānau hoʻokahi [Ikaika 3439] o ka Makua" (John 1: 14,18; 3:16). ʻO ia ka hānau mua ma waena o nā hoahānau ʻuhane (Roma 8:29). No luna ʻo ia.
"No ka mea, i iho mai au mai ka lani mai, ʻaʻole e hana i koʻu makemake akā i ka makemake o ka mea nāna au i hoʻouna mai" (John 6:38) - iho ʻoe - hoʻouna iaʻu. E waiho i nā huaʻōlelo i ko lākou manaʻo maoli.
Hoʻololi i ka manaʻo o nā huaʻōlelo i kekahi mau aʻo - he hiʻohiʻona maʻamau kēia o WT.
Aloha Frank Pono mākou e noʻonoʻo pono i ka manaʻo o nā huaʻōlelo. ʻO ia kaʻu e hoʻāʻo nei e hana ma aneʻi a ʻaʻole maopopo iki i kāu mea i manaʻo ai. Inā he nui nā hoahānau ʻuhane o Iesū, pehea lā ʻaʻohe ona kaikaina? He aha nā kaikuaʻana o Iesū iā ia inā ʻaʻole nā kaikaina? Inā ʻo Iesu ke keiki a ke Akua a he poʻe keiki nā Kristiano na ke Akua, ʻaʻole anei lākou he hoahānau ma ia manawa? Maopopo iaʻu ʻo Iesū ka hānau mua a pehea e hiki ai iā ia ke lilo i "hānau wale" mau loa - inā ʻo ia kāu manaʻo? ʻO ia ka manaʻo ʻaʻole hānau ke Akua i ka ʻuhane ʻē aʻe... Pākuhi hou »
Hāʻawi kekahi o nā manuscript mua loa iā John 1:18 ma ke ʻano he "the only begced God". ʻAʻole kūpono kēia no nā poʻe Tritarians a me nā Socinians like. No nā poʻe Tritarians, no ka mea hiki iā lākou ke ʻae iā Iesū he keikikāne, ʻoiai he Akua lākou, akā ʻaʻole hana ke akua hānau wale, no ka mea ʻaʻole hiki ke hānau ʻia ke Akua (Capital G). Ma ka ʻaoʻao ʻē aʻe, hana ke "keiki hānau hoʻokahi" na Socinians, no ka mea, manaʻoʻiʻo lākou pili ia iā Iesū, ke kanaka hoʻokahi a ke Akua i hānau ai, akā ʻoiai ʻaʻole ia he ʻuhane i ka lani, pehea ʻo ia ke akua hānau ʻekahi? Inā mākou e hōʻole i ke Tritarianism a me Socinianism, ʻaʻohe o mākou pilikia i ka hoʻomaopopo ʻana... Pākuhi hou »
Manaʻo wau ʻo John 1:18 kahi paukū pilikia e hoʻokumu i nā aʻo ma luna ona no ka mea ʻaʻohe ala e ʻike maopopo inā paha ua ʻōlelo mua "Ke Akua" a i ʻole "Keiki". Eia kahi wikiō pōkole maikaʻi e pili ana i ka paukū a me nā kākau lima mua. https://youtu.be/W_BGX28er9Y
Aloha ʻo Nightingale, hoʻāʻo wau e wehewehe iā ia me kā mākou ʻano hoʻohālikelike ola. E ʻōlelo ʻoe ʻo wau wale nō ke keiki a koʻu mau mākua. ʻAʻohe oʻu kaikuahine, no laila ʻo wau wale nō ka hānau. ʻAʻohe oʻu ʻoiaʻiʻo, nā kaikaina. Akā ʻo ʻoe, a me nā Karistiano ʻē aʻe he mau hoahānau ʻuhane koʻu, no laila he nui koʻu mau kaikaina ʻuhane. ʻAʻohe o Iesū kūʻiʻo, nā hoahānau o nā kūpuna e pili ana i kāna kumu ma ke ʻano he keiki kamakahi a ka Makua i ka lani. ʻAʻole ʻo Angles kona mau kaikaina maoli, no ka mea, nāna i hana iā lākou. ʻAʻole nā Kristiano kona mau kaikaina maoli; ʻO lākou wale nō kona mau kaikaina ʻuhane no ka mea... Pākuhi hou »
Maikaʻi loa, Frankie. Mahalo no kou hāʻawi ʻana mai i kēia mau manaʻo.
ʻ saidlelo ʻia ʻo Nightingale
Ua hōʻole anei wau e ʻōlelo aku ua hele mai ʻo Kristo i ke kino? Ua ʻōlelo paha wau a koi paha ʻaʻole i hele mai ʻo Kristo i ke kino? Inā kekahi e manaʻo nei ʻaʻole ʻo ia ʻo ʻoe ia. ʻLelo mau wau ma kaʻu mau ʻōlelo ma Youtube ʻo Iesū ke kāne i hānau ʻia (hānau ʻia) i ka ʻōpū o Maria. Ma hea wau e haʻalele ai i kēlā? Ua hele mai i ke kino. ʻAʻole ia he manaʻo ua hoʻoholo ʻo ia e haʻalele i ke alo o ka makuakāne, hele i lalo mai ka lewa i loko o ka ʻōpū o Maria, ʻeā? Luka 1: 31-35 haʻi mai iā mākou i kēlā mea. ʻAʻole pū kekahi... Pākuhi hou »
Ua wehewehe mua wau i kēlā i loko o ka wikiō. Inā ʻoe e nānā i ke ala āpau, hiki iā mākou ke hōʻalo i kēia mau kuhi hewa ʻana.
Akā ʻaʻole ia e hūnā i ka mea āu i kīloi mai ai iaʻu i nā manaʻo a hōʻike wau ʻo wau ka antichrist. ʻO kēia kaʻu e ʻōlelo nei. ʻAʻole wau e kuhikuhi ana i ka wikiō. ʻOiaʻiʻo e ʻike ʻoe i kēlā
Inā hānau ʻia ʻo Iesū ke kanaka me ka ʻole o ke ola, a laila ʻaʻole ʻo ia i hele mai i ke kino ma mua o ʻoe a i ʻole i hele mai i ke kino ma ka hānau ʻia ʻana.
Aloha ino e kuʻu hoaaloha. He mea hōʻino ka lunaʻōlelo Paul i nā Iudaio, akā ua hoʻokipa ʻia ʻo ia i loko o nā hale hālāwai o nā Iudaio, kahi e haʻi aʻo ai a aʻo pinepine ai hoʻi. Ua hoʻolilo ka poʻe lunaʻōlelo mua i ka manawa nui i ke aʻo ʻana i loko o ka luakini e like me Iesū.
ʻAʻole i haʻalele nā lunaʻōlelo a me Iesū mai kahi kūkākūkā ʻuhane, ʻo ia ka poʻe i hiki ʻole ke hoʻopaʻa i kā lākou mea iho. A e pane pololei i kāu nīnau me he mea lā ʻo ka hui JW kahiko.
Akā hoʻi, ua ʻike ʻo ia i kona wā i hiki ai i kāna palena.
". . Akā, ma hope o ko lākou kūʻē kūʻē ʻana iā ia a me ka ʻōlelo hōʻino ʻana, lūlū akula ia i kona kapa a ʻōlelo akula iā lākou: "Ma luna o ko ʻoukou poʻo iho ke koko. Maʻemaʻe au. Mai kēia manawa e hele wau i nā lāhui kanaka. "" (Hana 18: 6)
Aloha John, ua ʻōlelo ʻoe: "ʻAʻole wau e manaʻo ma muli o ke kūlohelohe o ke Akua i hoʻolālā a ʻae paha i kekahi o nā mea weliweli i ka honua i kēia manawa." E ʻoluʻolu e hoʻomaopopo i nā ʻāpana aʻe o kā Eric wikiō: "ʻAe, e nānā i kēia mau mea āpau ma o nā maka o kahi Socinian. ʻO ka manaʻo o Iesū Kristo ma ke ʻano he kanaka e ola a make no mākou e pānaʻi ʻia mai ka hewa kumu i loko o ka manaʻo o ke Akua ma ke ʻano he manaʻo ma mua o ka hana ʻia ʻana o kekahi mea. No laila, ua hana ʻia nā hōkū a pau na, e, a ma o kēia manaʻo me ka pahuhopu hoʻokahi o ka hoʻōla... Pākuhi hou »
Mahalo iā ʻoe e Eric no ka maikaʻi a me ka akāka o ka manaʻo hemolele. Makemake au i kāu kuhikuhi iā Mat 11: 25-29 a pehea ʻoe e hana pū ai me ia. He ʻoiaʻiʻo, nā mea nui i ke aʻo ʻana a Iesū he maʻalahi a maʻalahi hoʻi, i hiki i nā keiki ke hoʻomaopopo iā lākou. Kuhi ʻia kēia mau ʻoiaʻiʻo ikaika i nā mākua e hoʻoili aku i kā lākou poʻe keiki me ka pilikia ʻole. Manaʻo wau he mea maikaʻi loa kāu ʻatikala no kā mākou mau hoahānau e haʻalele nei i ka hoʻonohonoho. E hāhai lākou i nā ala like ʻole e hiki ai i nā pahele he nui. Akā hoʻokahi wale nō ala - Iesū. Palekana kēia ala. ʻAe piha wau me... Pākuhi hou »
Mahalo iā ʻoe e Frankie.