“Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive...” (Hebrews 13:17)
In English, when we use the words “obey” and “obedience”, what thoughts come to mind? English words are often broadly nuanced with diverse subtleties of meaning. Is that the case with these two words? For example, would you consider “persuade” and “persuasion” to be synonyms for “obey” and “ob will edience”? What about “trust”, “urge” and “heed”?
Not likely, right? In fact, “obey” and “obedience” have a fairly restrictive usage in modern English. They are forceful words. They imply a master/servant relationship, or at the very least, a temporary position of subservience. In English, the terms do not carry with them any connotation of conditionality. For instance, a mother doesn’t tell a small child, “I want you to listen to me and to obey me, if you don’t mind.”
You wouldn't stand up in court on a traffic offense and tell the judge, "I thought the speed limit was only a suggestion."
Therefore, when an English speaker reads Hebrews 13:17, what understanding will he or she take from the verse as translated in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures or NWT?
“Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive,. . .”
Going to other translations doesn’t give us much more to go on. Most open with “Obey…”
- “Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit…” (King James, American Standard Version)
- “Obey your prelates, and be subject to them.” (Douay-Rheims Bible)
- “Obey your leaders and submit to their authority…” (New International Version)
- “Obey your spiritual leaders, and do what they say…” (New Living Translation)
The list goes on and on with little variance. Check it out for yourself using the Parallel feature at biblehub.com.
From this it seems clear, given the usage of the word “obey” in English, that we should consider those with authority in the congregation as our leaders, and we should obey them unquestioningly. Isn’t that what "obey" means in English?
Can the soldier say without fear of negative consequences that he disobeyed an order because he believed it was wrong? Can a young child get away with telling his mother that he didn’t obey her because he thought she was wrong? “Obey” and “obedience” simply do not allow for that subtlety of meaning.
Given that virtually every translation uses this word when rendering the Greek in this passage, one can’t be blamed for thinking that the English word carries the full meaning of the Greek. Therefore, it may surprise you to learn that such is not the case.
The Greek word rendered as “obedience” in the NWT and “obey” by almost everyone else is peithesthe. It is a verb, conjugated in the 2nd person plural imperative tense. The infinitive is peithó and it means “to persuade, to have confidence”. So in the imperative tense, Paul is commanding the Hebrew Christians to “be persuaded” or “to have confidence” in those taking the lead. So why isn’t it translated that way?
Here is an exhaustive list of every occurrence of the term in the Greek Scriptures.
(Matthew 27:20) But the chief priests and the older men persuaded the crowds to ask for Bar·ab?bas, but to have Jesus destroyed.
(Matthew 27:43) He has put his trust in God; let Him now rescue him if He wants him, for he said, ‘I am God’s Son.’”
(Matthew 28:14) And if this gets to the governor’s ears, we will persuade [him] and will set YOU free from worry.”
(Luke 11:22) But when someone stronger than he is comes against him and conquers him, he takes away his full armament in which he was trusting, and he divides out the things he despoiled him of.
(Luke 16:31) But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.’”
(Luke 18:9) But he spoke this illustration also to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and who considered the rest as nothing:
(Luke 20:6) But if we say, ‘From men,’ the people one and all will stone us, for they are persuaded that John was a prophet.”
(Acts 5:36) For instance, before these days Theu?das rose, saying he himself was somebody, and a number of men, about four hundred, joined his party. But he was done away with, and all those who were obeying him were dispersed and came to nothing.
(Acts 5:40) At this they gave heed to him, and they summoned the apostles, flogged them, and ordered them to stop speaking upon the basis of Jesus’ name, and let them go.
(Acts 12:20) Now he was in a fighting mood against the people of Tyre and of Si?don. So with one accord they came to him and, after persuading Blastus, who was in charge of the bedchamber of the king, they began suing for peace, because their country was supplied with food from that of the king.
(Acts 13:43) So after the synagogue assembly was dissolved, many of the Jews and of the proselytes who worshiped [God] followed Paul and Bar?na·bas, who in speaking to them began urging them to continue in the undeserved kindness of God.
(Acts 14:19) But Jews arrived from Antioch and I·co?ni·um and persuaded the crowds, and they stoned Paul and dragged him outside the city, imagining he was dead.
(Acts 17:4) As a result some of them became believers and associated themselves with Paul and Silas, and a great multitude of the Greeks who worshiped [God] and not a few of the principal women did so.
(Acts 18:4) However, he would give a talk in the synagogue every sabbath and would persuade Jews and Greeks.
(Acts 19:8) Entering into the synagogue, he spoke with boldness for three months, giving talks and using persuasion concerning the kingdom of God.
(Acts 19:26) Also, YOU behold and hear how not only in Eph?e·sus but in nearly all the [district of] Asia this Paul has persuaded a considerable crowd and turned them to another opinion, saying that the ones that are made by hands are not gods.
(Acts 21:14) When he would not be dissuaded, we acquiesced with the words: “Let the will of Jehovah take place.”
(Acts 23:21) Above all things, do not let them persuade you, for more than forty men of theirs are lying in wait for him, and they have bound themselves with a curse neither to eat nor to drink until they have done away with him; and they are now ready, waiting for the promise from you.”
(Acts 26:26) In reality, the king to whom I am speaking with freeness of speech well knows about these things; for I am persuaded that not one of these things escapes his notice, for this thing has not been done in a corner.
(Acts 26:28) But A·grip?pa said to Paul: “In a short time you would persuade me to become a Christian.”
(Acts 27:11) However, the army officer went heeding the pilot and the shipowner rather than the things said by Paul.
(Acts 28:23, 24) They now arranged for a day with him, and they came in greater numbers to him in his lodging place. And he explained the matter to them by bearing thorough witness concerning the kingdom of God and by using persuasion with them concerning Jesus from both the law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some began to believe the things said; others would not believe.
(Romans 2:8) however, for those who are contentious and who disobey the truth but obey unrighteousness there will be wrath and anger,
(Romans 2:19) and you are persuaded that you are a guide of the blind, a light for those in darkness,
(Romans 8:38) For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers
(Romans 14:14) I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is defiled in itself; only where a man considers something to be defiled, to him it is defiled.
(Romans 15:14) Now I myself also am persuaded about YOU, my brothers, that YOU yourselves are also full of goodness, as YOU have been filled with all knowledge, and that YOU can also admonish one another.
(2 Corinthians 1:9) In fact, we felt within ourselves that we had received the sentence of death. This was that we might have our trust, not in ourselves, but in the God who raises up the dead.
(2 Corinthians 2:3) And so I wrote this very thing, that, when I come, I may not get sad because of those over whom I ought to rejoice; because I have confidence in all of YOU that the joy I have is that of all of YOU.
(2 Corinthians 5:11) Knowing, therefore, the fear of the Lord, we keep persuading men, but we have been made manifest to God. However, I hope that we have been made manifest also to YOUR consciences.
(2 Corinthians 10:7) YOU look at things according to their face value. If anyone trusts in himself that he belongs to Christ, let him again take this fact into account for himself, that, just as he belongs to Christ, so do we also.
(Galatians 1:10) Is it, in fact, men I am now trying to persuade or God? Or am I seeking to please men? If I were yet pleasing men, I would not be Christ’s slave.
(Galatians 5:7) YOU were running well. Who hindered YOU from keeping on obeying the truth?
(Galatians 5:10) I am confident about YOU who are in union with [the] Lord that YOU will not come to think otherwise; but the one who is causing YOU trouble will bear [his] judgment, no matter who he may be.
(Philippians 1:6) For I am confident of this very thing, that he who started a good work in YOU will carry it to completion until the day of Jesus Christ.
(Philippians 1:14) and most of the brothers in [the] Lord, feeling confidence by reason of my [prison] bonds, are showing all the more courage to speak the word of God fearlessly.
(Philippians 1:25) So, being confident of this, I know I shall remain and shall abide with all of YOU for YOUR advancement and the joy that belongs to [YOUR] faith,
(Philippians 2:24) Indeed, I am confident in [the] Lord that I myself shall also come shortly.
(Philippians 3:3) For we are those with the real circumcision, who are rendering sacred service by God’s spirit and have our boasting in Christ Jesus and do not have our confidence in the flesh,
(2 Thessalonians 3:4) Moreover, we have confidence in [the] Lord regarding YOU, that YOU are doing and will go on doing the things we order.
(2 Timothy 1:5) For I recollect the faith which is in you without any hypocrisy, and which dwelt first in your grandmother Lo?is and your mother Eu?nice, but which I am confident is also in you.
(2 Timothy 1:12) For this very cause I am also suffering these things, but I am not ashamed. For I know the one whom I have believed, and I am confident he is able to guard what I have laid up in trust with him until that day.
(Philemon 21) Trusting in your compliance, I am writing you, knowing you will even do more than the things I say.
(Hebrews 2:13) And again: “I will have my trust in him.” And again: “Look! I and the young children, whom Jehovah gave me.”
(Hebrews 6:9) However, in YOUR case, beloved ones, we are convinced of better things and things accompanied with salvation, although we are speaking in this way.
(Hebrews 13:17, 18) Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU. 18 Carry on prayer for us, for we trust we have an honest conscience, as we wish to conduct ourselves honestly in all things.
(James 3:3) If we put bridles in the mouths of horses for them to obey us, we manage also their whole body.
(1 John 3:19) By this we shall know that we originate with the truth, and we shall assure our hearts before him
As you can see, only three of these verses (excluding Heb. 13:17 which is in dispute) render peithó as “obey”. Also of note is that none of those three—again with the exception of our disputed text—uses "obey" in the context of one human commanding another.
The overriding meaning of the Greek term is that of persuasion based on reasoning and confidence or trust in the source. It is not used to convey the idea of blind and unquestioning obedience.
So why do all the Bible translations use an English term that does not convey the meaning of the Greek?
Before we answer that, let us look at another Greek word that more closely approximates the meaning of "obey" in English. The word is peitharcheó, and it means “to obey authority”. It is a concatenation of the previous term, peithó, with the Greek word, arx, meaning “what comes first” or properly, "persuaded of what must come first, i.e. what has priority (the higher authority)".
This word is only used four times in the Greek Scriptures.
(Acts 5:29) In answer Peter and the [other] apostles said: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.
(Acts 5:32) And we are witnesses of these matters, and so is the holy spirit, which God has given to those obeying him as ruler.”
(Acts 27:21) And when there had been a long abstinence from food, then Paul stood up in the midst of them and said: “Men, YOU certainly ought to have taken my advice and not have put out to sea from Crete and have sustained this damage and loss.
(Titus 3:1) Continue reminding them to be in subjection and be obedient to governments and authorities as rulers, to be ready for every good work,
In each case, the obedience is expected to be absolute and unquestioning. In Titus, we are told to obey the governments. In Acts 5:29, 32, we are allowed to disobey the governments only because an even higher authority must be obeyed. As for why Paul uses peitharcheó instead of peithó at Acts 27:21, we must look at the context.
The NWT renders it as ‘taking advice’, but the term means obeying a higher authority, which Paul, as a mere man and a prisoner, was not. At Acts 27:10, Paul is quoted as saying, “Men, I perceive that navigation…” Now Paul was no sailor, so this perception is most likely to have come from some divine providence. It is likely that Paul wasn’t guessing at a possible outcome but had been warned by God, for he knew the future and foretold the outcome exactly. In that context, Paul was correct to use peitharcheó, because the higher authority they should have obeyed was not Paul, but the one who was speaking through Paul, Jehovah God. Paul, acting as God's prophet, was the higher authority.
Therefore, if the elders are a higher authority which must be obeyed as we would worldly governments or even Jehovah God himself, why didn’t the writer of Hebrews use the proper term to convey that? He would have used peitharcheó if that were the point he was trying to make. Instead, he used peithó to convey the idea that we should allow ourselves to be persuaded by the reasoning of those taking the lead, having confidence in their good intentions, trusting that what they are urging us to do is out of love.
Absolute and unquestioning obedience, however, was not what he was saying we owe to these men.
So why would virtually every religion, when commissioning the translation of Scripture for its flock, have opted for a word in English that carries none of the conditional flavor of the Greek? Why would they have opted instead for a word that demands unquestioning obedience to those in charge?
To the discerning mind, I think the question answers itself, don’t you?
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Comment by Jude on 2013-01-09 21:38:52
That's it! From now on I trust no translation! I will be subjecting all questionable verses to meticulous orginal language study. LOL.
Thanks for sharing your research.
Comment by apollos0falexandria on 2013-01-10 07:24:31
An enlightening piece of research Meleti. Thanks.
And not surprising that having translated it this way, it is then liberally used in our teaching. Search occurrences in the Watchtower return 240 entries. Compare that to John 14:6 which occurs 233 times.
For those who want to reference original language words for themselves, there are some great tools out there. I recommend:
http://www.e-sword.net/ (downloadable application)
http://www.blueletterbible.org (online concordance and lexicon)
Apollos
Comment by Urbanus on 2013-01-15 14:22:13
Thank you, Brother Vivlon, for your analysis. Your work is important and appreciated. Nevertheless, this type of Bible research is at present specifically warned against as un-authorized and spiritually dangerous. Your publication of it makes you liable to a charge of apostasy. Likewise, me for reading and responding. Likely our respective committees would not bother with the details of reading, far less thinking through, your reasoning.
With that in mind, permit me to point out that Strong's definition of “arch” as a suffix to peitho simply means “to obey a ruler.” Whereas peitho by itself has many shades of meaning:
Definition of Greek peitho
1. persuade
a. to persuade, i.e. to induce one by words to believe
b. to make friends of, to win one's favour, gain one's good will, or to seek to win one, strive to please one
c. to tranquillise
d. to persuade unto i.e. move or induce one to persuasion to do something
2. be persuaded
a. to be persuaded, to suffer one's self to be persuaded; to be induced to believe: to have faith: in a thing
1. to believe
2. to be persuaded of a thing concerning a person
b. to listen to, obey, yield to, comply with
3. to trust, have confidence, be confident
NAS Word Usage - Total: 52
assure 1, confident 3, convinced 7, followed 2, have confidence 2, having confidence 2, listen 1, obey 3, obeying 1, persuade 4, persuaded 8, persuading 1, put...trust 1, put confidence 1, put...confidence 1, relied 1, seeking the favor 1, sure 2, took...advice 1, trust 2, trusted 1, trusting 1, trusts 1, urging 1, win...over 1, won over 2
So the difference is that of being convinced or persuaded by principle or reason, as opposed to following instructions of the ruling authority.
It is noted with interest that the Governing Body (must be in caps by now) had this to say to worldwide publishers in the letter preface to the 2013 Yearbook on page 5:
Within the Christian congregation, we
clearly understand the matter of free will.
While elders are authorized to counsel and
even to discipline, they do not seek to dominate
or to control the life or faith of others.
The apostle Paul wrote: “Not that we are the
masters over your faith, but we are fellow
workers for your joy, for it is by your faith
that you are standing.”—2 Cor. 1:24.
How satisfying it is to do something because
we want to do it instead of being
forced to do it! Jehovah invites us to do what is good out of love.
Your brothers,
Governing Body of Jehovah’s WitnessesReply by Dorcas on 2013-01-15 16:33:40
While our brother does not need me to come to his defense, I must express my dismay at your use of the words "unauthorized and spiritually dangerous" as it pertains to his work. It may be unauthorized by the Governing Body. But are we to be afraid of the truth? Is the truth spiritually dangerous? I fail to see how that is possible.
I applaud our brother because he has given us a forum whereby we may express our doubts and disagreements with things that come officially from our organization. I do not believe Jesus required blind obedience to anything, either another human or a man-made organization. Notice, I said blind obedience and to me that is what is being forced upon us.
Our organization has dug itself into a very deep hole, in my humble opinion. Only now are many things coming to light that have long been hidden. Ignorance is not bliss and we should not be content with a whitewashed version of our history, filtered and screened to make us appear more spirit directed than we might be.
All of Jehovah's people have MUCH still to learn and I'm grateful for brothers like Meleti Vivlon who are helping my education process. Trying to censor or shame him benefits no one.
I draw great exception to the preface letter from the Governing Body. While the bodies of elders may not seek to control or dominate us spiritually, I believe the GB themselves are walking ever more precariously to that end. Sometimes what they don't say speaks volumes.
Comment by Urbanus on 2013-01-16 12:05:16
Well, Dorcas, we wouldn't all be chatting here under the protective anonymity of Bible monikers if there weren't a “reign of terror” in progress, like some new inquisition. A few weeks ago the Society legal dept. shut down JWSurvey.org for a while. Even now, they may be using the fact that web providers and perhaps Wordpress are in bed with the government to discover all our identities and purge us from “The Truth.”
Once a group claims to speak with the voice and mind of Jehovah, it can never err and never change its mind – and that is hardly a characteristic of the modern organization so far.
If you were offended by page 5 of the 2013 Yearbook, what about the inside end cover. Number One goal for 2013 is “Bible Reading and Study.” When Ray Franz suggested that goal back in the late 1970's, he was disfellowshiped. Three decades later and three years after his death, it's almost “gospel.” We have an extra night to do it, and no doubt many many count service hours for the activity of “family worship.”
As to “Obedience” and the helpful research of Brother Vivlon, one could go further to show that aside from the authority with which the elders teach and guide the congregations, there is no higher authority until the Christ, and the heaven administration by spirit Rev 1:17-20. Therefore, following the rule of higher authority starts and ends with the Christ. Paul's counsel at Hebrews 13:17 regarding those taking the lead in the congregations is to “trust them, be persuaded by them, and have confidence in them while being submissive. In them meantime, obedience belongs to the Christ.” (Please excuse the un-authorized paraphrase.)
Comment by apollos0falexandria on 2013-01-16 14:03:56
To be fair I don't think Ray Franz was kicked out for suggesting "Bible Reading and Study". I don't claim to know all the details, but I think it was a bit more complicated than that.
In your final paragraph are you saying that scripturally the only human authority within Christianity is that vested in the elders to teach and guide? Where does that leave the role of a Governing Body?
Incidentally have you seen the hierarchical illustration portrayed in the April 2013 study edition? I'm wondering where Jesus might be in that picture.Reply by Alec Holmes on 2013-01-28 09:43:41
Exactly Apollos, I forgot to mention I also asked myself why Jesus is not in that picture. A friend of mine said that was probably nit-picking on my part, and after all they are using the vision from Ezekiel, where Jesus is not mentioned.
In any case, they included everyone in that picture, from congregation elders to the publishers to the governing body, even the angels but not Jesus. I personally don't like it. Probably more so after I've only recently found out that by official current understanding Jesus is not my mediator. How many times did I read and explain 1 Tim 2:5,6 in Bible studies 'incorrectly'.
'Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, so only for the 144,000 and not the other sheep. But he is their High Priest, that is how they can wash their robes white in the blood of the lamb. But their sins will only be fully cleared (if I got that right, because frankly it's confusing to me) after the final test after the 1000 years when they are then declared fully righteous and children of God.' w89 8/15 pp.30-31
I sincerely hope the intent of the picture is not to reinforce the idea that if we do not subscribe to the arrangement of the faithful and discreet slave, and support them, we will not be supporting Jehovah. If that is the idea then Jesus should be in that picture, as he is "the way".
Just a thought.Reply by apollos0falexandria on 2013-01-28 10:10:31
Hi Alec
I think you will find that the majority of JWs are not aware that Jesus is not supposed to be their mediator.
However it seems that even our official doctrine is less than clear on this issue. Consider this:
*** w02 7/1 p. 8 Worship God “in Spirit” ***
Is it proper to pray to Jesus’ earthly mother, Mary, or to particular “saints,” asking them to intercede with God in one’s behalf? The Bible’s direct answer is: “There is only one mediator between God and mankind, himself a man, Christ Jesus.”—1 Timothy 2:5.
So in this context we are being told that 1 Tim 2:5 applies to Jesus role in our prayers to God rather than the mediation of the New Covenant. No wonder we are a little confused.
ApollosReply by Alec Holmes on 2013-01-28 10:18:11
Wow, I remember reading that. So yes, I was born in the truth, I pinched myself and said, 'how come you never researched that?'.
I agree, most may not know. It's relieving to see it's not my fault or I'm not the only one.
Reply by apollos0falexandria on 2013-01-29 07:51:12
Alec
I was just thinking about your friend's comments on the picture.
To say that they are using the vision of Ezekiel is no excuse. Where are the group of human leaders on Ezekiel's vision? Where is the elder body? Where is the angel flying in midheaven? No, that's a cop-out. What is this picture if it is not a representation of complete organization based upon a composite of scriptures? If the Christian congregation can be represented hierarchically without its head then something is definitely wrong.
I think everyone recognizes by now, and it is often mentioned, that the illustrations in our magazines have meaning at every level. Every element is there (or not there) for a reason. The illustrations are now used to teach on a par with the text. Sadly they are even elevated sometimes above the veracity of God's Word. Meleti has an earlier article that in part deals with this (http://meletivivlon.com/2012/10/04/how-speculation-becomes-fact-2/).
In my opinion, for someone to say that it is nit-picking to wonder where the Christ fits into this picture speaks volumes about the way he or she has already been conditioned not to be concerned about it.
ApollosReply by Alec Holmes on 2013-01-29 11:46:11
Apollos,
I completely agree, it is not like Jesus is just anyone. I do remember reading Meleti's article on that, and people have tried to convince of points based on illustrations on our publications.
I agree with you, and can't understand it in any other way. I can't see these kind of reactions as something other than the result of successful indoctrination, and I'm really sorry for it.
Comment by Urbanus on 2013-01-16 14:28:56
Apollos-
Thank you for your prior comments.
1 Cor. 11:
1 Become imitators of me, even as I am of Christ.
2 Now I commend YOU because in all things YOU have me in mind and YOU are holding fast the traditions just as I handed [them] on to YOU.
3 But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ;
To answer your question directly, why many decades after establishment of Kingdom Rulership by the enthroned King in Heaven would there be a need to return to an apostolic arrangement like the Mormons have?
Granted, verse 2 above makes room for a "theocratic tradition," and obviously we have the role of God's Word speaking to us.
Spreading the "witness to every nation" required the services of an writing committee, a publishing committee, a teaching committee and even a chairman's committee. But those committee assignments by faithful brothers don't need to appear in some organization chart in scripture, do they?
Comment by on 2013-01-27 17:33:26
A late thank you to Meleti for the very well-written article.
As God's channel to feed the domestics, the slave and the organization missed the opportunity to translate that verse in the correct way. It would be easy to say most of the others did it too, but then, if they jumped off a cliff....
It has already been pointed out in this forum that not even the apostles demanded unquestionable obedience. Jehovah and Jesus are willing to listen to others and allow us to exercise free will. Jehovah being patient with Abraham about Sodom and Gomorrah, or with Habakkuk's questioning of how long they would have to wait before he took action against wickedness is proof of that. So is Jesus's being patient with Thomas's doubts. Or when he simply asked the apostles if they didn't want to go away also when several disciples misunderstood him. He didn't pressure them to stay.
I always look forward to the posts on this website from which I learn a lot and open my mind as to what happens in the organization today and try to make sense of it.
Comment by on 2013-01-27 17:48:35
A late thank you to Meleti for the very well-written article.
I would never have thought of this scripture and the different Greek words for "obey" were it not for it. For my part, I shall obey God as ruler rather than men first and foremost.
The apostles didn't demand unquestionable obedience, neither did Jesus, nor does Jehovah. Jesus didn't pressure the apostles to stay after some stumbled over what he had said about eating his flesh and drinking his blood. He merely asked them if they wanted to go away. He was patient with Thomas. Just as Jehovah was patient with Habakkuk. And with Abraham, when they were talking about Sodom and Gomorrah.
The injunction to keep testing whether we are in the faith and keep proving what we ourselves are, and I'm thinking here in the context of each one's personal study of God's word in the level that this article has shown us it is necessary, continues being timeless today as live under the leadership of the current governing body and their use of their authority.
Comment by Alec Holmes on 2013-01-27 20:33:31
A late thank you to Meleti for the very well-written article.
I would never have thought of this scripture and the different Greek words for "obey" were it not for it. For my part, I shall obey God as ruler rather than men first and foremost.
The apostles didn't demand unquestionable obedience, neither did Jesus, nor does Jehovah. Jesus didn't pressure the apostles to stay after some stumbled over what he had said about eating his flesh and drinking his blood. He merely asked them if they wanted to go away. He was patient with Thomas. Just as Jehovah was patient with Habakkuk. And with Abraham, when they were talking about Sodom and Gomorrah.
The injunction to keep testing whether we are in the faith and keep proving what we ourselves are, and I'm thinking here in the context of each one's personal study of God's word in the level that this article has shown us it is necessary, continues being timeless today as live under the leadership of the current governing body and the use of their authority.
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Comment by StillHaveFaith on 2013-02-03 18:22:23
"To be or not to be" a Jehovah's Witness, "THAT is the question". As Shakespeare also said, "To thine own self be true". When I first studied the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses 40 years ago, I came to believe that the Faithful and Discreet Slave was the governing body, and what a relief it was to me to be able to put my confidence in men who were led by Jehovah's spirit. However, as I have progressively discovered more and more false prophecies, corruptions and non-scriptural rules and regulations, it has become apparent to me that the governing body is not what they claim to be. Blindly obeying any human authority which has placed itself in the position of Jesus Christ as "Mediator", "Prophet", "Teacher" and "Judge" is condemned in the Bible, and therefore I now find myself in the position of re-examining and researching every major doctrine that I learned from Jehovah's Witnesses. Thus far I am confident that the majority of these teachings are correct and based on scripture, except of course the false prophecies regarding 1914, 1975 etc., which really brings into question everything else, therefore a re-examination based on the SCRIPTURES is necessary. Especially considering the demands of the governing body to accept and obey every single thing they say, at the threat of disfellowshipping for so called "apostocy", I now feel that this obedience is a betrayal of our loyalty to Jesus Christ and Jehovah as our ultimate leaders.
In reviewing past history as to "what went wrong", it seems to me the typical arrogance and presumptiousness of mere humans taking on the roles that rightfully belong to Christ and Jehovah. What a blessing it would have been, if from the beginning, Russell, Rutherford and their successors would have said, "We BELIEVE from our research of the scriptures that 1914 MAY be a pivotal year in prophecy, although we also understand that we may be WRONG about this, and will have to wait for the reality of the actual fulfillment of prophecies before we will know for a certainty. In the meantime we will not be instructing anyone to sell property, avoid an education, refrain from marriage and children, forget about life insurance, or any other directive which could cause grave harm to Christians who must continue to live within the current system of things, until Jesus Christ arrives in his glory to usher in "a new heavens and a new earth, which we are awaiting according to HIS promise".
Although I am eternally grateful that two pioneer sisters studied “The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life” with me 40 years ago, which helped me to understand so many things from the Bible, and which gave me a positive focus and guide throughout my life, that Guidebook of the Bible is the final authority as to obedience, and NOT the governing body. “The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life” is found in God's Word, the Bible, therefore any teaching, doctrine, rule or regulation that is in contradiction to God's Word, is NOT acceptable, and therefore, according to my own conscience, I am not able to place myself in subjection to any other authority except Jesus Christ and Jehovah.
I am grateful to those who research the meaning of the original Bible languages in order to correctly understand the actual meaning of scriptures. I am quoting Shakespeare, and because he wrote in the original English language that we can comprehend clearly, I am applying this concept to my own conscience, which the governing body does not recognize:
“This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!”
From “Hamlet” by William Shakespeare ~ 1603
Comment by The Governing Body, Ephesians 4:11-16, and “unity” | The Apologetic Front on 2013-03-04 20:08:52
[...] the Watchtower claims about obedience and what the Bible claims are two different things. See THIS POST for an excellent discussion of Hebrews 13:17 and what it means to “obey” or [...]
Comment by JimmyG on 2013-03-05 05:01:07
Just going back to the earlier comments regarding Ray Franz'- he was disfellowshipped at the end of 1981 for having a meal with a 'disassociated ' person, Peter Gregerson. This was all very convenient, as the September 15, 1981 Watchtower had proclaimed 'disassociated' people were now considered the same as disfellowshipped people. This is all set out in detail in Franz' book, 'Crisis of Conscience'.
Comment by Jehovah Never Blesses Disobedience | Beroean Pickets on 2013-04-06 12:39:19
[...] wrote a very interesting article examining the true meaning of obedience in Hebrews 13:17. Nowhere in scripture do we find any [...]
Comment by Obey Jehovah’s Shepherds (w13 10/15 p. 21) | Beroean Pickets on 2014-01-20 18:01:17
[…] If this is what Jehovah intended all along, one must wonder why he inspired Paul to write Hebrews 13:17—the only scripture that discusses obedience to those taking the lead—the way he did. There is a Greek word, peitharcheó, which means “obey” just as its English counterpart. You’ll find it at Acts 5:29. Then there is a related Greek word, peithó, which means “urge, be persuaded, have confidence”. That’s the word we incorrectly translate as “obey” in Hebrews 13:17. (For a fuller discussion, see To Obey or Not to Obey—That Is the Question.) […]
Comment by Give Honor to Whom It Is Due | Beroean Pickets - JW.org Reviewer on 2017-05-01 17:55:21
[…] We do well to realize that the word translated “obey” and “obedience” in Hebrews 13:7, 17 is not the same word that is translated “obey” in Acts 5:29. In the case of the latter, the word is peitharcheó which implies unconditional and unquestioning obedience such as one gives to Almighty God. However, in Hebrews 13:17, the word is peithó which means “to be persuaded”, and thus is conditional. (For more information, see To Obey or not to Obey—that is the Question.) […]
Comment by Should We Obey the Governing Body | Beroean Pickets - JW.org Reviewer on 2017-08-11 17:59:08
[…] have covered this topic in depth in the article “To Obey or Not to Obey”, but to sum up briefly, the Word rendered “be obedient” in Hebrews 13:17 isn’t the same […]
Comment by Livia Aye on 2018-04-29 19:29:13
To Obey or Not to Obey—That Is the Question. | Beroean Pickets
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