Thus humans, as well as God’s spirit sons, have the remarkable privilege of contributing to the vindication of Jehovah’s sovereignty by a course of integrity to him. (it-1 p. 1210 Integrity)
The title of this article may seem like a redundant question. Who wouldn’t want Jehovah’s sovereignty to be vindicated? The problem with the question is its premise. It presupposes that Jehovah’s sovereignty needs vindicating. It might be like asking, “Who wouldn’t want Jehovah to be restored to this rightful place in the heavens?” The premise is based on a situation which is not possible. The attitude of Jehovah’s Witnesses in teaching this doctrine may seem positive and supportive on the outside, but the premise that Jehovah’s sovereignty needs vindicating is a veiled insult to the Almighty One - albeit an inadvertent one.
As we saw in the preceding article, the Bible’s theme is not the vindication of God’s sovereignty. In fact, the word “sovereignty” does not appear anywhere in the Holy Scriptures. Given this, why has this been made into a central issue? What are the repercussions of mistakenly teaching eight million people to preach something God isn’t asking them to preach? What is really behind this teaching?
Starting Down the Wrong Path
Last week, we examined an illustration from the book The Truth That Leads to Eternal Life which was used in the 1960s and 70s to convince our Bible students that the Scriptures really do teach the vindication of God’s sovereignty.[A] You may recall that the citation ended by referencing Proverbs 27:11 and Isaiah 43:10.
Isaiah 43:10 is the basis for the name, Jehovah’s Witnesses.
“You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen…” (Isa 43:10)
We are taught that we are like witnesses in a court case. What is being judged is God’s right to rule and the righteousness of his rule. We are told that we live under his rulership; that the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses is a true theocracy—a nation ruled by God with a population larger than that of many countries on earth today. By our conduct and by showing that life in our nation is “the best way of life ever”, we are said to be vindicating Jehovah’s sovereignty. In the spirit of 'making sure of all things', let us analyze the validity of these claims.
First of all, the words of Isaiah 43:10 were spoken to the ancient nation of Israel, not the Christian congregation. No Christian writer applies them to the first-century congregation. It was Judge Rutherford who, in 1931, applied them to the International Associations of Bible Students, adopting the name "Jehovah’s Witnesses". (This is the same man whose typical/antitypical prophecies have taught us that we are denied the hope of being called children of God.[B]) By assuming this name on the basis of Isaiah 43:10, we are making a de facto typical/antitypical application—a practice which we have recently disavowed. And we do not stop with a modern-day application; no, we apply the name retroactively, all the way back to the first century.[C]
Second, if we take the time to read the entire 43rd chapter of Isaiah, we find no reference to the vindication of Jehovah’s sovereignty as the reason for the metaphorical court drama. What God speaks of and what He wants his servants to bear witness to is his character: He is the one, true God (vs. 10); the only savior (vs. 11); the mighty one (vs. 13); the creator and king (vs. 15). Verses 16 thru 20 provide historical reminders of his saving power. Verse 21 shows that Israel was formed to bring praise to him.
In Hebrew, a name is more than a simple appellation, a label to distinguish Harry from Tom. It refers to a person’s character—who he really is. If we choose to bear God’s name, our conduct can honor him, or conversely, bring reproach upon his person, his name. Israel failed in the former and brought reproach on God’s name by their conduct. They suffered for it (vs. 27, 28).
The other verse cited as support for the Truth book illustration is Proverbs 27:11.
“Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, So that I can make a reply to him who taunts me.” (Pr 27:11)
This verse doesn’t refer to Jehovah. The context is that of a human father and son. Except for the occasional metaphor or simile, Jehovah doesn’t refer to humans as his children in the Hebrew Scriptures. That honor was revealed by Christ and is a major component of the Christian hope. However, even if we accept the idea that the principle in Proverbs 27:11 can apply to our relationship with God, it still doesn’t support the teaching that it our conduct somehow can vindicate God’s righteousness and his right to rule.
What is implied by this verse? To discover that, we must first understand who is the one doing the taunting of God. Who else but Satan the devil? Satan is a name; devil, a title. In Hebrew, Satan means “adversary” or “one who resists”, while Devil means “slanderer” or “accuser”. So Satan the devil is the “Slandering Adversary”. He is not the “Usurping Adversary”. He makes no attempt at the obvious impossibility of usurping Jehovah’s place as sovereign. His only real weapon is slander. By lying, he slings mud at God’s good name. His followers imitate him by pretending to be men of light and righteousness, but when cornered, they fall back on the same tactic their father uses: lying slander. Like him, their goal is to discredit those they cannot defeat by truth. (John 8:43-47; 2 Cor. 11:13-15)
Thus Christians are not called upon to prove the rightness of Jehovah’s way of ruling, but rather to praise him by word and deed so that the slander against him might be proven false. In this way, his name is sanctified; the mud is washed off.
This noble task—to sanctify God’s holy name—is offered to us, but for Jehovah’s Witnesses, it is not enough. We are told that we must also participate in vindicating his sovereignty. Why do we take this presumptive and unscriptural commission upon ourselves? Does this not fall into the category of things that are placed outside our jurisdiction? Are we not treading on God’s domain? (Acts 1:7)
Sanctifying the name of our Father is something that can be done individually. Jesus sanctified it as no other human ever has, and he did this all by himself. Indeed, at the very end, Father withdrew his support of our brother and Lord to clearly make the point that the devil’s slander was completely false. (Mt 27:46)
Salvation on an individual basis is not something in which our leaders encourage us to believe. To be saved, we must be part of a larger group, a nation under their leadership. Enter the doctrine of “Vindication of Jehovah’s Sovereignty”. Sovereignty is exercised over a national group. We are that group. Only by staying in the group and acting in harmony with the group can we truly vindicate God’s sovereignty by showing how our group is better than every other one on earth today.
Organization, Organization, Organization
We do not call ourselves a church, because that links us to false religion, the churches of Christendom, Babylon the Great. We use “congregation” at the local level, but the term for the worldwide association of Jehovah’s Witnesses is “Organization”. We derive our “right” to be called ‘one Organization under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all’ by virtue of the teaching that we are the earthly part of God’s universal organization in the heavens.[D]
“Make Sure of the More Important Things” (w13 4/15 pp. 23-24 par. 6
Ezekiel saw the invisible part of Jehovah’s organization depicted by a colossal celestial chariot. This chariot could move swiftly and change direction in an instant.
Ezekiel makes no mention of organization in his vision. (Ezek. 1:4-28) In fact, the word “organization” does not appear anywhere in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. Ezekiel makes no mention of a chariot either. Nowhere in the Bible is Jehovah depicted riding a celestial chariot. We have to go to pagan mythology to find God riding a chariot.[E] (See “Origins of the Celestial Chariot”)
Ezekiel’s vision is a symbolic representation of Jehovah’s ability to instantly deploy his spirit anywhere to accomplish his will. It is pure, unsubstantiated speculation to say the vision represents God’s heavenly organization, especially since nowhere in the Bible does Jehovah say he has a heavenly organization. Nevertheless, the Governing Body believes he does, and that, in turn, gives them a basis for teaching that there is an earthly component over which they govern. We can prove scripturally that there is a Christian congregation that is ruled by Christ. It is the congregation of the anointed. (Eph. 5:23) However, the Organization is comprised of millions who believe themselves to be "other sheep" who are not part of the anointed congregation under Christ. Jehovah is the head of the Organization, followed by the Governing Body and layers of middle management as this graphic from page 29 of the April 15, 2013 The Watchtower shows. (You will notice the conspicuous absence of our Lord Jesus in this hierarchy.)
Based on this, as citizens of this nation, we obey Jehovah, not Jesus. However, Jehovah doesn't address us directly, but speaks to us through His "appointed channel of communication", the Governing Body. So in reality, we are obeying the commandments of men.
Jehovah’s Celestial Chariot on the Move (w91 3/15 p. 12 par. 19)
The eyes all around the wheels of God’s chariot indicate alertness. Just as the heavenly organization is alert, so we must be alert to support Jehovah’s earthly organization. On a congregational level, we can show that support by cooperating with the local elders.
The reasoning is simple and logical. Since Jehovah needs to vindicate his sovereignty, he needs a test case to demonstrate the quality of his rule. He needs a nation or kingdom on earth that rivals Satan’s various forms of human government. He needs us. Jehovah’s Witnesses! The one true nation of God on earth!!
We are a theocratic government—the logic continues—ruled by God. God uses men as his “appointed channel of communication”. Therefore, His righteous rule is channelled through a group of men who dispense commands and direction through a network of middle managers with authority conferred from above, until it reaches the individual member or citizen of this great nation.
Is all this true? Does Jehovah really have us as his nation to demonstrate to the world that his way of ruling is the best? Are we God’s test case?
Israel’s Role in Vindicating God’s Sovereignty
If this teaching of the Governing Body is wrong, we should be able to demonstrate that using the principle found at Proverbs 26:5
“Answer the stupid one according to his foolishness, So that he does not think he is wise.” (Pr 26:5)
What this means is that when someone has a stupid or foolish argument, often times the best way of refuting it is to take it to its logical conclusion. The stupidity of the argument will then become manifest to all.
Jehovah’s Witnesses contend that Jehovah set up the nation of Israel as a kind of rival government to Satan’s with a view to showing the true benefit of living under his rulership. Israel would become an object lesson of what it would be like to live under God’s universal sovereignty. If they failed, the task would fall on our shoulders.
Calling a Nation to Return to Jehovah
From the days of the prophet Moses down to the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, the earthly nation of natural, circumcised Israel was the visible organization of Jehovah God. (Psalm 147:19, 20) But from the pouring out of God’s spirit upon the faithful disciples of Jesus Christ on the festival day of Pentecost in 33 C.E., the spiritual Israel with circumcised hearts has been God’s “holy nation” and his visible earthly organization. (Paradise Restored to Mankind - By Theocracy, 1972, chap. 6 p. 101 par. 22)
By this logic, Jehovah set up the nation of Israel to show how his rule is best; a rule that benefits all his subjects, men and women alike. Israel would give Jehovah the chance to show us how his rule over Adam and Eve and their children would have been had they not sinned and rejected him.
If we accept this premise, then we have to acknowledge that Jehovah’s rule would include slavery. It would also include polygamy, and it would permit men to divorce their wives on a whim. (Deut. 24:1, 2) Under Jehovah’s rule, women would have to be quarantined for seven days during menstruation. (Lev. 15:19)
This is clearly nonsense, yet it is nonsense we must accept if we are to continue promoting our idea that Jehovah vindicates his sovereignty through His so-called earthly organization.
Why Was Israel Formed?
Jehovah does not build a house out of faulty and inferior materials. It would be bound to fall down. His sovereignty is to be exercised over a perfect people. What then was his reason for creating the nation of Israel? Rather than accept what men say, let’s be wise and listen to the reason God gives for setting up Israel under the law code.
“However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed. 24 Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. 25 But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 YOU are all, in fact, sons of God through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus.” (Ga 3:23-26)
The law served to protect the seed prophesied in Genesis 3:15. It also served as a tutor leading to the culmination of that seed in Jesus. In short, Israel was formed into a nation as part of God’s way of preserving the seed and ultimately saving humankind from sin.
It’s about salvation, not sovereignty!
His rule over Israel was relative and subjective. It had to take into account the failings and hard-heartedness of those people. That is why he made concessions.
Our Sin
We teach that Israel failed to uphold Jehovah’s sovereignty, and so it falls to us as Jehovah’s Witnesses to prove his sovereignty is best by the way we benefit under it. I have seen in my life countless examples of the rule of men, specifically that of the local elders, following the guidelines provided by upper management, and I can bear witness that were this truly an example of Jehovah’s rule, it would bring great reproach on his name.
Therein lies the fly in our ointment. Let God be found true though every man be a liar. (Ro 3:4) Our promotion of this idea amounts to a collective sin. Jehovah told us nothing about vindicating his sovereignty. He did not assign us this task. By presumptuously taking it on, we have failed in the one important task he did assign us—sanctifying his name. By promoting ourselves as an example to the world of God’s rulership, then failing miserably at it, we have brought reproach on Jehovah’s holy name—a name we have presumed to bear and publish as our own, for we claim that only we of all the world’s Christians are His witnesses.
Our Sin Extended
When looking for historical examples to apply to Christian living, the publications go to Israelite times far more than Christian. We base our three annual assemblies on the Israelite model. We look to the nation as our example. We do this because we have become that which we abhor, just another example of organized religion, the rule of men. The power of this human rulership has been augmented lately to the point that we are now being asked to put our very lives into the hands of these men. Absolute - and blind - obedience to the Governing Body is now a salvation issue.
Seven Shepherds, Eight Dukes—What They Mean for Us Today (w13 11/15 p. 20 par. 17)
At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.
What About God’s Sovereignty?
Jehovah did rule over Israel in a limited sense. However, it is not indicative of his rulership. His rule is designed for sinless people. Those who rebel are chucked outside, to die. (Rev. 22:15) The last six thousand years or so are all part of an epoch devoted to the eventual restoration of true theocracy. Even the future rule of Jesus—the Messianic kingdom—is not God’s sovereignty. Its purpose is to bring us to a state in which we can re-enter God’s righteous rule. Only at the end, when all things are back in order, does Jesus surrender his sovereignty to God. Only then do the Father become all things to all men and women. Only then will be understand what Jehovah’s sovereignty really entails.
“Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power….28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.” (1Co 15:24-28)
Where We Go Wrong
You may have heard it said that the best form of government would be a benign dictatorship. I believed this to be true myself at one time. One can easily envision Jehovah as the most benign ruler ever, but also as a ruler who must be obeyed without exception. Disobedience results in death. So the idea of a benign dictator seems to fit. But it fits only because we are looking at it from a fleshly point of view. This is the viewpoint of the physical man.
Every form of government we can point to is based on the carrot and stick principle. If you do what your ruler wants, you get blessed; if you disobey him, you are punished. So we obey out of a combination of self-interest and fear. There is no human government today that rules based on love.
When we think of divine rule, we often replace Man with God and leave it at that. In other words, while the laws and the ruler change, the process stays the same. We’re not entirely to blame. We’ve only known variations on the one process. It’s hard to envision something totally new. So as Witnesses, we fall back on the known. Hence, we refer to Jehovah as the “universal sovereign” over 400 times in the publications, despite the fact that the title does not occur even once in the Bible.
At this point, you may be reasoning that this is being picky. Of course, Jehovah is the universal sovereign. Who else could be? That it isn’t stated explicitly in Scripture is beside the point. Obvious universal truths don’t have to be stated to be true.
It’s a reasonable argument, I confess. It confused me for a good long time. It was only when I refused to accept the premise that the light bulb went off.
But let’s leave that for next week’s article.
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[A] See the illustration in chapter 8, paragraph 7 of The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life.
[B] See “Orphans” and “Approaching the 2015 Memorial – Part 1”
[C] See w10 2/1 p. 30 par. 1; w95 9/1 p. 16 par. 11
[D] This is yet another unscriptural term invented to reinforce an idea.
[E] We do not celebrate birthdays, not because the Bible condemns them specifically, but because the only two birthday celebrations in the Bible are linked to the death of someone. Birthdays are considered to be pagan in origin and so as Christians, Jehovah’s Witnesses have nothing to do with them. Since all references to God riding in a chariot are pagan, why do we break with our own rule and teach this as Scriptural?
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Comment by Vindicating Jehovah’s Sovereignty | Beroean Pickets on 2015-04-26 07:42:42
[…] We will attempt to answer these questions, and to identify the Bible’s real theme in the next article. […]
Comment by agapeheartvisions on 2015-04-26 11:24:02
Reblogged this on agapeheartvisions and commented:
Makes absolute sense to me!
Comment by agapeheartvisions on 2015-04-26 11:25:12
This makes absolute sense tome! Thank you for such an enlightening and thought provoking article.
Comment by on 2015-04-26 20:15:25
Very thought provoking, and I agree with your line of reasoning. Please share your thoughts on the supposed 'rank' of angels in heaven- Seraphs, Cherubs, etc. This is a key part of the 'heavenly organization' logic, and part of the teaching is that if heaven is this organized, the 'earthly organization' must also be.
Comment by seekingagape2014 on 2015-04-27 00:59:41
Thank you so much taking the time to research and put this in writing for all to read. This is something I have been thinking about for a long time. If Jw.org was Gods "earthly organization" I didn't want to be a part of it anymore. The pain and suffering that they inflict on their followers because of their manmade rules is not from God. I also agree with you that the theme of the bible is not sovereignty but it is about salvation. It took me a long time to figure that out and your article helped me ry organize it in my mind. Hopefully one day I can share this with my family, I pray all the time that they will wake up from the jw org. Maybe one day they will.
Comment by ¿Wheresenoch? on 2015-04-27 22:27:01
"We do not call ourselves a church because that links us to false religion..." I used 2 wonder why it was so important for us 2 use the term 'kingdom hall' instead of church. Although kingdom is a Biblical term, hall was not. I had no 'scriptual' reason 4 the term. Interesting fun fact: 1 Kings 7:6-8 in our old NWT had the description of several porches. The new revised Bible changed 3 of those 4 porches into halls. Ive only worked in construction 25 yrs. so forgive me if im wrong, but i have yet 2 find anyone who even remotely thinks building a porch is equivalent 2 building a hall! A small thing? Maybe. But just that swiftly & subtly, hall has become a "scriptual" term.
Comment by katrina on 2015-04-28 02:14:48
From the very first prophecy in Gen 3:14 the seed, its about salvation through Christ, does anyone really believe that Jehovah is so vain and powerless to make this all about him, no its about his love for mankind. Satan never challenged Gods power or sovereignty it was all about destroying the seed, Christ and his seed.
Comment by Wild Olive on 2015-04-28 02:37:49
Yes I woke up to this whole sovreignty thing when I was in hospital one day,my son is an epileptic and has come close to death more times than I can remember.
Ime sitting next to him in the hospital and he's got tubes coming out of his mouth and is connected to all sorts of sensors,and I remembered the book study article from the bible teach book that week,which offered the explanation that human suffering is the result of Santans challenge and suffering is the result,because enough time has to go by to prove the correctness of Jehovah's rule and the futility of Santans, and since the Angels are watching as well that's why this is all happening,so Ime looking at this poor boy of mine and I start thinking, how many more life threating seizures must he have before Jehovah's sovreignty is vindicated? How many more must die miserable deaths from cancer? Or how many more must perish in unjust wars? Or have their heads cut off by criminals like ISIS? All to prove Jehovah's sovreignty? Jehovah wouldn't dare connect himself to all these outrages, but the GB have. They are so wrong !Reply by kev on 2015-04-28 18:02:24
Wild olive so sorry to hear about your son .its horrible to go through that as a parent isnt it . Gods blessing on you and your family . Kev
Reply by Wild Olive on 2015-04-29 19:28:01
@ Kev, thanks for your concern, I do have to say, though ,my sons illness is a gift in disguise, it's because of what's happened to him that I was forced to take a good hard look at my JW beliefs, the sovreignty issue was one of the first that fell apart,since him dying prematurely was on the cards I thought it nessesary to build my faith in the ressurection and understand clearly where he stood before Jehovah, so I embarked on intense bible study to reinforce myself and him ,only to find that ressurection to a paradise earth is vague, the only definitive ressurection is at 1Cor 15 which is a heavenly one!
Then as far as a standing before Jehovah, it became clear to me that the only arrangement was the new covenant , something at the time that none of my family or myself where part of ! So with these two major doctrines in pieces the next step was to examine the idea of the other sheep, another fail ! All the time this was going on I didn't get a shepherding call, another gift in disguise, if I hadn't been left alone to my own study and had elders " encouraging " me I probably wouldn't have continued my study and reached the biblical conclusions that came to be my new and improved faith.
Something else that became evident at this time is how once you are no longer walking the walk and talking the talk organizationally, then it's not interested in you,everthing is set up to give to the organization,and it well defined what your responsibilitys are,but the moment you need something from the organization it all becomes very vague, another eye opener.The loving brotherhood turns out to not be quite what they claim,despite years of faithfully serving them.
So it's not all bad but rather a revealing journey in real truth.Reply by kev on 2015-04-30 10:37:41
Yes thats right ive had similar things happen to me .. Its so sad that body of elders i served on was more like the gestapo cracking down on people who didnt quite measure up ..Thier concern was more about keeping the congregation clean as they saw it Perhaps an attitude fostered when they believe that the congregation itself must sanctify gods name and vindicate his soveriegnty . They have got themselves in a right mess with this one . The real truth is that not one of can measure up and if we look close enough all of us fail . To the contrary the NT message is all about forgiveness and the very verses they qoute from james about calling the older men the objective is not to judge a brother or sister but to help them. Gain gods forgiveness .james 5 . They are very much mistaken about this but thats what we get when we dont really read the NT regularly and in context . james 5 v 13 to 20 . Kev .
Reply by Gloria gisher on 2017-08-26 11:18:30
Jehovah does not desire any one to die. That's why he provided his son so that they can be ressurected back to life. He gives everyone a chance to know him his love and to be on a paradise living in that hope he has provided for us. God will come in his due time. Rev21:3,4 says that there will be no more sickness sorrow dying pain these things is going to pass away. We are living in a wicked world now Satans world. He is the cause of all this from the beginning. So it's not Our mighty creator that started this. He gave us a hope to everlasting life. His prophesys are to be fulfilled and the end will come Satan and his demons and this wicked world will come to an end. I had my husband die in my arms to his last heartbeat and breath. My baby sister whom died of chronic lupus 26 years old whom I was very very very close to. I was strained yes but I also knew focusing on that ressurection hope where I could see her again and live with her forever without thst sickness again to suffer and in a perfect healthy body kept me to know. That I have so much to catch up on and talk about. God knows what he's doing and knows the right time to come. Can't be selfish and just think about you oh he allowed my loved one to suffer and die. Oh I prayed he get well. Well guess what. You will have that prayer answered. And these last days we living in are almost complete sooner than you think yo experienced these loving things our creator promised us through jesus his sons dealth.
Comment by Gogetter on 2015-04-28 05:56:33
Wild olive your point is well taken, and the fact that billions of God's creation has suffered down through history in countless ways, who didn't even know about this proposed issue of Jehovah's sovereignty until the 20th century!
Not to mention only about 8 million people are aware of it today a very small number if humans are supposed to be involved in this issue.
This is evidence in itself that God's sovereignty is not the issue and still leaves us in the dark as to why God continues to allow man to suffer?
This would be a good "topic for discussion" on the board or maybe Menrov or Meleti
could write an article on Why Jehovah allows suffering to continue. This has plagued
me for most of my life.
Comment by on 2015-04-28 13:02:37
Yes, this "sovereignty" thing may give a person the impression that our loving father is simply using us to settle an issue, a score. It's as if we were the unwilling pawns in a universal chess game. The theme of the Gospel, as Paul says is in 2 Cor. 5:18-20, is reconciliation with God through Christ Jesus. Why do we miss that?
Comment by search4truth on 2015-04-28 21:42:46
I was indoctrinated from my birth to believe this faulty Wt teaching, but never could grasp it as it never made much sense to me. How God almighty could be so selfish that he would make the whole issue about himself and his ego. Hey, he's almighty, he does't have to prove anything to anybody and I'm so greatfull that the real issue is about us, his children. Thanks for wery well written article.
Comment by qspf on 2015-04-28 23:51:22
Search4truth, we must start from the most fundamental truths about God, that He is personified by love, and that He applies His love in ways that demonstrate His superlative wisdom. Above all, He is a God of truth. Those qualities should inform our heart and conscience as we try to understand Him. God cannot be selfish, because selfishness is reflection of a sinful motivation, and that is simply not in His nature. When God wants us to love Him, to be loyal to Him, and whatever He asks of us, it's because doing so is in OUR best interests, in addition to returning to Him the honor and respect He rightfully deserves.
The Bible tells, "God is not a man that He should tell lies". Likewise, God is not a man that He should act or be motivated by selfishness. Only our failure to appreciate Him for what He is would tempt us to attribute to Him the all-too-human failing of selfishness.
Comment by BN on 2015-04-29 06:22:42
And on top of that, it will end with a worldwide bloodshed at Armageddon? How could I ever believe that such a thing is our Father's purpose? He does not need to kill anybody because most of us are already dying .
And the offer for life will first be really opened when the New Covenant is fulfilled and the books fully understood. Then all standing can make an informative choice.
As I tell my fellow man these days; the Bible is a)for God's people b) for those who want to be God's children, c) and it is mostly a symbolic book that can not be understood without the spirit d) so be a nice person and love your neighbor, so God can remember you when the time is right for your resurrection to life (you could be dead or you could be alive)
Comment by Christian on 2015-04-29 17:37:17
It seems to me that the deeper the teachings of the WTS are examined, the more obvious it becomes that they do not represent Jehovah or the King of His Kingdom.
The basis of their teachings is control and power.
Rather than promote the genuine freedom that Christ offers and letting the holy spirit work to draw us closer to relationship with the Father, they have sought to man-handle our faith with their rules and laws.
While they use the term "Bible trained conscience" in reality they don't trust the holy spirit to help us, or Jesus to care for His own.
In their eyes we are incapable of using the free gift of Christ's ransom without their micro management of our consciences.
Comment by qspf on 2015-04-29 19:32:12
BN, You said, "And on top of that, it will end with a worldwide bloodshed at Armageddon? How could I ever believe that such a thing is our Father’s purpose? He does not need to kill anybody because most of us are already dying."
In truth, at the moment we are all dying, in a literal sense, even if God approves of us as sons. In His eyes, there are really only two kinds of people: living persons and dying persons. The only people on earth that were ever living persons were Jesus, and Adam and Eve before they sinned. A living person lives; a dying person dies. Given enough time, what happens to a dying person? They die. That describes everyone on earth. (Yes, even Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, though having the hope of living again, were dying persons all through their lives, and now they're dead. It is their memories, living in safekeeping with God, which remain alive.)
The 1000 year reign of Christ is when we stop being dying persons, and starting becoming living persons.
That is why Jesus said in John 3:18 "For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him."
Christ did not need to come to adversely "judge" the world of mankind, since they were already under a condemnation to death. What would be the point? We are already doomed to die. It would be like kicking a dead horse - once you're dead (or destined to die) what is the point of further punishment?
Would our loving Father really be that cruel and heartless to do that to us? Picture yourself in His position. Would YOU do it? Most honest hearted persons (with no grudges or axes to grind) would say No.
Comment by Wild Olive on 2015-05-01 00:02:39
@Kev,
Yes elder body's do behave like the gestapo, that's something else that bothered me, individual elders on their own were quite pleasant people,but get them together in a meeting and it's like they now have the right to become uber judgemental and dismissive , this I believe is because they are following the example that has been given, which is not Christ, but the golden calf like organization, that is run by egomaniacs.
It's a reflection of the leadership.
Comment by God Is Love | Beroean Pickets on 2015-06-06 09:44:19
[…] the second article, we discovered the underlying reason behind the Organization’s continued emphasis on this […]
Comment by VOJS on 2015-11-18 21:35:10
In answering the "Title" question, I need not read your article past the first paragraph. Why?, because in that same paragraph you change the question to a new one to try to clarify the original question to support your own answers which is not required. Also in the first paragraph you ask the question, “Who wouldn’t want Jehovah to be restored to this rightful place in the heavens?”. The title question never implied that Jehovah's sovereignty needs to be restored in "Heaven". Jehovah's Witnesses live and service on earth to living human beings where Satan's influence has to a certain level removed Jehovah's sovereignty. Jehovah's sovereignty will be vindicated regardless of any persons decision to use their free will wisely after being witnessed. Thus, your comment on the vindication being "an inadvertent one" is correct because Jehovah "will" vindicate Jehovah's sovereignty, but your comment on Jehovah's Witnesses question being "a veiled insult" is just wrong. When a person is being witnessed, it is not only for Jehovah and the Jehovah's Witness, but for the person being witnessed. The vindication from living human beings is "part" of the vindication of Jehovah's sovereignty. The vindication from humans can only be viewed as beautiful support of Jehovah and make Jehovah happy.
For the straight answer, Jehovah's Witnesses preach the vindication of Jehovah's sovereignty so living humans can hopefully for themselves, use their FREE WILL wisely and put Jehovah first before all else and follow Jehovah "for their own future" because the vindication "will" happen with or without human support.
All is fine in Heaven...
Comment by WT Study: Jehovah Is the God of Love | Beroean Pickets on 2016-01-10 07:00:30
[…] In paragraph 4, the issue of universal sovereignty is raised. Was this really the issue raised by Satan? It may seem logical to a mind trained by the publications of the Watchtower, but the question is, Why are the words “universal sovereignty” not to be found in Scripture? Why is the explanation given in the paragraph not backed up by supporting scriptures? (For a detailed analysis of this subject, see this article.) […]
Comment by Organized in Harmony With God’s Own Book | Beroean Pickets - JW.org Reviewer on 2017-01-02 09:56:04
[…] [iii] For more on this topic, see the articles Vindicating Jehovah’s Sovereignty and Why Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Preach the Vindication of Jehovah’s Sovereignty? […]