“We Want to Go with You”

– posted by meleti

[From ws1/16 p. 12 for March 21-27]


“We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.” – Zec 8:23


Here at Beroean Pickets, we endorse critical thinking. “Critical” is what we call a semantically loaded word. That means it carries a cultural connotation which colors its general meaning. For example, if you call a man a pig, are you suggesting he’s affectionate? Not likely, even though pigs can make good pets. If you say a woman is like a rose, are you suggesting she’s prickly? Roses do have spines, but the average English speaker will not take that as your meaning. When we say a person is being critical, we usually mean he is fault-finding, and so “critical thinking” is culturally tainted as a pejorative or demeaning term. This is particularly so in the JW culture when critical or independent thinking is seen as a close cousin to apostasy.

What a far cry from the Bible’s use of the concept! The Scriptures encourage—even command—every Christian to be a critical thinker. That makes perfect sense, for only falsehood has something to fear from being examined critically. That is why Paul took no exception to having his teachings examined critically. In fact, he praised the Beroeans as noble minded because they examined all he taught against what the Scriptures had to say.

The Bible tells us to “test the inspired expression” and to “make sure of all things”. All these require us to think critically—not to find fault, but to find truth. (Acts 17:10-11; 1 John 4:1; 1Th 5:21)

How sad then that so many of my brothers and friends have surrendered their thinking abilities to the whims of the Governing Body. Many, I’ve found, go beyond passive submission and have graduated to active intimidation of others who dare to think for themselves.

I repeat: Only falsehood and those who promote it have anything to fear from being examined. The evidence is overwhelming that the Governing Body cannot tolerate critical thinking. They depend on us to simply accept whatever they teach as truth without ever examining what lies behind it. This week’s study is a textbook example of this mindset. In fact, there are so many blanket assertions thrown around that we’d spend all our time addressing them before we could ever get down to the article’s main subject. Therefore, to expedite matters, we’ll simply highlight those we cannot address in this article with a hyperlink to previous Beroean Picket articles that fully cover and disprove these assertions. In this way, we’ll be able to stay on topic and not be distracted.

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Assertion 1: “Speaking of the time in which we are living, Jehovah foretold: ““We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.” – Zech. 8:23”

No proof is given that Zechariah 8:23 refers to the time in which we are living. Let’s look at the context. Read the whole chapter 8 of Zechariah. What do you observe? Do not passages like, “Old men and women will again sit in the public squares of Jerusalem, each with his staff in his hand because of his great age. And the public squares of the city will be filled with boys and girls playing there”, indicate that this is a prophecy applying to the restoration of Israel following its captivity in Babylon? (Zec 8:4, 5)

Nevertheless, this prophecy includes features that were not fulfilled prior to the time of Christ.  For instance:

“This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘It will yet come to pass that peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will come; 21 and the inhabitants of one city will go to those of another and say: “Let us earnestly go to beg for the favor of Jehovah and to seek Jehovah of armies. I am also going.” 22 And many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek Jehovah of armies in Jerusalem and to beg for the favor of Jehovah.’ 23 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’” (Zec 8:20-23)


The Governing Body would have us believe that this was written to foretell events that occurred in the 20th Century.  But isn't it far more likely that Zechariah was still talking about literal Jews?  Otherwise, we have to accept a mid-prophecy switch from literal Jews to spiritual Jews.  And yet, even if we accept that switch, does it still not make more sense historically that the prophecy was fulfilled by the numerous men of the nations—Gentiles—who joined the Christian congregation which began in the literal Jerusalem with literal Jews taking the lead?  Does it not make more sense that the ten men of the nations are literally "men of the nations" and not some made up class of secondary Christian denied spirit anointing?

Assertion 2: “Like the figurative ten men, those with an earthly hope…” Only works if there is a class with an earthly hope. (See Going Beyond What Is Written)

Assertion 3: “They are proud to associate with the “spirit anointed” Israel of God.” Only works if there is a distinct class of Christian that are the “Israel of God” while the rest of Christians are to be considered “men of the nations”. (See Orphans)

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Assertion 4: “Do those of the other sheep need to know the names of all those who are anointed today?” Presupposes that the other sheep are only saved by helping the anointed. (Mt 25:31-46) Mt 10:16 works and is consistent within its context if we understand that the other sheep are really anointed Gentile Christians.  Considering everything said in that chapter, it is wild speculation to conclude Jesus was talking about a class of Jehovah's Witnesses that would appear in 1934.

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Assertion 5: “…even if someone has received the heavenly calling, that person has received only an invitation….” Presupposes that an invitation—a special calling—is made, but only to selected individuals. (No proof of this is provided.)

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“In no way do the Scriptures encourage us to follow an individual. Jesus is our Leader.” So true. Unfortunately, this is one of those instances where the Governing Body fulfills Matthew 15:8: “This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me.”

If Jesus is our leader, why does this illustration from the April15, 2013 Watchtower show identifiable members of the Governing Body in a position of authority just below that of Jehovah, while Christ “our leader” is conspicuously absent?

Hierarchy Chart

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The gist of paragraphs 5 and 6 can be summed up this way: “We know we can’t stop you from partaking even though it makes us look bad when so many new ones start, but if you’re going to do it, just be quiet about it. Don’t encourage others to do it, and don’t contradict our teachings.”

To illustrate just how silly the JW teaching of the Other Sheep can get, consider this sentence from paragraph 6: “Modestly, anointed ones acknowledge that they do not necessarily have more holy spirit than those with an earthly hope.”  This would indicate that Jehovah has two different ways of pouring out his spirit on Christians. One that constitutes anointing them, and another that doesn't.  The first time the holy spirit was given to Christians, Peter said:

“And in the last days,” God says, “I will pour out some of my spirit on every sort of flesh. . .” (Ac 2:17)

Do you notice that he made no mention of two different outcomes? He didn't say, "Some of you will be anointed and others not."  In fact, neither Jesus nor any of the Bible writers make mention of two outcomes derived from the same outpouring of spirit.  We're just making this stuff up.

Paragraph 6 continues: “They would also never suggest to others that these too have been anointed and should start partaking; rather, they would humbly acknowledge that it is Jehovah who does the calling of anointed ones.”

So telling others about this joyous hope is a sign of pride?!

This is the gag order, plain and simple; and it is utterly reprehensible.

At this point, it is beneficial for us to jump ahead to paragraph 10 to see that this order has another side.

"We would not ask them personal  questions about their anointing. We thus avoid meddling with what does not concern us." (Par. 10)


So not only is the partaker to refrain from discussing this important feature of Christianity, but the non-partaker is to avoid asking him about it, as that would be "meddling with what does not concern" him.  Wow! They really don't want us talking about this, do they?  Why is this most Christian of observances, this public proclamation of Christ's sacrificial death, being treated like a taboo subject?  (1Co 11:26)  What are they afraid will happen?

One of the most effect methods the enemy has of combating the truth is to silence the lips of those who would speak it. This published direction from the Governing Body is not simply unscriptural.  It is anti-Scriptural.

“. . .But YOU also hoped in him after YOU heard the word of truth, the good news about YOUR salvation. By means of him also, after YOU believed, YOU were sealed with the promised holy spirit, 14 which is a token in advance of our inheritance, for the purpose of releasing by a ransom [God’s] own possession, to his glorious praise.” (Eph 1:13, 14)


“. . .In other generations this [secret] was not made known to the sons of men as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by spirit, 6 namely, that people of the nations should be joint heirs and fellow members of the body and partakers with us of the promise in union with Christ Jesus through the good news.” (Eph 3:5, 6)


How can I preach the good news of salvation so that people might believe, and after they believe, get sealed with the promised holy spirit, if I obey the order of the Governing Body? How can I tell people of the nations that they can share my hope and become joint heirs and fellow members of the body of Christ and “partake with us” if I am gagged by GB directives?

Paul might as well be speaking to Jehovah’s Witnesses directly when he says:

I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from the One who called you with Christ’s undeserved kindness to another sort of good news. 7 Not that there is another good news; but there are certain ones who are causing you trouble and wanting to distort the good news about the Christ. 8 However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, I now say again, Whoever is declaring to you as good news something beyond what you accepted, let him be accursed.” (Ga 1:6-9)


Judge Rutherford claimed that since Christ arrived in 1914, he didn't need to send the spirit anymore to guide us into all the truth.  From 1914 onward, divine revelation came by the hand of angels. (See Spirit Communication) It was he who instituted this perversion of the good news, denying millions the truth about God’s purpose. Given this, the curse of Galatians 1:8 should now be resounding in our ears.

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Assertion 6: “Although it is a wonderful privilege to have the heavenly calling, anointed Christians do not expect any special honor from others.”

The word “privilege” refers to that which is exclusive to an elite group, something which the rest are denied. The Christian Scriptures don’t use the word privilege, though it is all too frequently found in the publications of JW.org.[i] This fits with the JW theology of a privileged and exclusive class of Christian, a cut above the rank and file. Nevertheless, this idea is not to be found in the Christian Scriptures. There, all are anointed; so there is no privileged class. Instead, all look upon their anointing as an undeserved kindness. All are equal.

“Jehovah’s spirit bore witness to them personally. No announcement was made to the world. So they are not surprised if some people do not readily believe that they have truly been anointed by holy spirit. In fact, they realize that the Scriptures advise against quickly believing someone who claims to have a special appointment from God. (Rev. 2:2)”


It would be understandable if the world did "not readily believe" that they are anointed, but their own brothers?  So if we see a brother or a sister partake for the first time, we must remember that the "Scriptures advise against quickly believing" them.  It seems that doubt in the integrity of a fellow Christian is now our go-to position.

To reinforce this, the Governing Body cites Re 2:2. I guess they are really depending on Witnesses not to use their thinking ability, because that verse doesn't apply to partaking of the emblems.  It applies to men who appoint themselves as apostles over us. Is there a group of men who have taken upon themselves the mantle of leadership over the Christian congregation as if they were the modern-day equivalent of the Twelve whom Jesus appointed? Re 2:2 tells us what to do:  "...put to the test those who say they are apostles, but they are not..."  It then calls such one "liars.”  So there is a Biblical precedent for calling a man a liar if he has exalted himself to a position he never received from Jesus Christ.  (Read an analysis of the Governing Body's position here, then what the Bible really says about the subject here.)

The carefully worded phrasing of paragraph 7 only serves to create a stigma for the sincere and obedient partaker.  It makes for a climate of suspicion and mistrust in the congregation

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“In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club.”


This made me laugh.  If the average JW is inclined to view "the anointed" as part of an elite club, whose fault is that?  Who created the whole idea of an elite class of Christian?

“They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.—Read Romans 16:17


“They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling…”? How subtly they sow seeds of doubt!

And what is this about condemning private groups for Bible study. Imagine a Christian teacher condemning other Christians for getting together to study the Bible. Oh, the horror!

What they are really afraid of is that such Christians might discover that “the truths” they hold so dear are not truths at all. There is significant irony in the use of Galatians 1:15-17 as a proof text to support the condemnation of private study groups. When Paul was first anointed, he did not “go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before [he] was”. So if we buy the Governing Body’s teaching that the first century Governing Body was in Jerusalem, what we take from Galatians is that after being anointed, Paul didn’t consult with the Governing Body. If we are to follow his example then, neither should we.

I know that once I realized the true nature of Christianity, I began to partake and intensified my study of the Scriptures. I certainly did avoid consulting with the Governing Body for guidance as they became an impediment to my growing understanding of truth. However, like Paul, there came a time when I felt the need to associate.  (He 10:24, 25) So I began to congregate with others. This is as it should be; but the Governing Body would stigmatize this as well.

The kicker is the final sentence in their little warning. Apparently, studying the Bible will cause divisions.  (This is all beginning to sound very medieval.)

While it is true that the Holy Spirit promotes peace and unity, paradoxically, it causes divisions. Jesus said:

“Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to cause division, . . .” (Mt 10:34, 35)


While the Governing Body claims to want “peace and unity” in reality they want “peaceful uniformity”. They want us all to agree on one thing: They must be obeyed. They want us to accept without question what they teach, and then to go forth and make converts. (Mt 23:15)

They make unity into the cornerstone of our faith, but it isn't.  While important, it hardly identifies the truth faith.  After all, Satan is also united. (Lu 11:18) Truth comes first, then unity follows. Unity without truth is worthless. It is a house built on sand.

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I can only suggest that the reader view the monthly broadcasts and convention highlights on tv.jw.org to see if the Governing Body is following their own advice.  Do they humbly eschew the spotlight?  Here’s another test. Ask one of the elders in your congregation to name all twelve apostles—you know, the pillars of New Jerusalem. Then ask him to name all seven members of the current Governing Body.

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Now we get to the heart of the matter.

“In recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the Memorial of Christ’s death. That trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades. Should this increase trouble us? No.”


If it shouldn’t trouble us, then why have we devoted two study articles to address this issue? Why is it even an issue? Because it undermines one of the core teachings of the Governing Body. Of course, they cannot acknowledge that, so they have to find ways to dismiss the importance of this trend.

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“Those taking the count at the Memorial cannot judge who truly have the heavenly hope.”


How fair, how even-handed of the Governing Body to lovingly instruct us not to judge. If only they had left it at that.

“The number of partakers includes those who mistakenly think that they are anointed. Some who at one point started to partake of the emblems later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems that lead them to believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven. Therefore, the number of partakers does not accurately indicate the number of anointed ones left on earth.”


When we combine these words with the statements from paragraph 7, we see how the Governing Body has transformed the joyous occasion of symbolically partaking in the life-saving flesh and blood of our Savior into a test of faith.  They have created a climate wherein, say, a sister who wishes to partake out of obedience to the Lord must do so realizing that some will suspect her of emotional or mental problems, while others will suspect she is just being presumptuous, acting out of pride.  The elders will certainly watch her from that point forward, wondering if she may be turning apostate.  Speaking as one who was once deeply immersed in this doctrinal mindset, I know that the first thought that comes to the JW mind is one of doubt and suspicion.

Whose will are we doing in all this?  Who doesn't want Christians to partake?  Who doesn't want Christians to receive the anointing of the holy spirit?  Spirit anointed Christians are the true enemies of Satan, because they are part of the seed.  For over 6,000 years he has been warring against those who would become that seed.  He's not stopping now.  As Paul said, "...we shall judge angels?" (1Co 6:3)  Satan and his demons do not want to be judged—certainly not by us lowly humans. So he would nip this in the bud if he could.  He can't, of course, but that doesn't stop him from trying.

He was very successful with the Catholic church.  He managed to deny the rank and file the wine (only the priests are permitted that) but more than that, he managed to keep them from getting baptized altogether.  Christening an infant with a sprinkle of water is not the baptism in Christ that grants access to the anointing of the spirit.  As proof, consider that the first Corinthian believers had already accepted Christ and been baptized in the baptism of John, but it wasn't until they were baptized in Christ that they got the Holy Spirit. (Acts 19:1-7)  Therefore: No baptism in Christ, no Holy Spirit.  Satan surely considered this a major victory.

However, the 19th century must have been a particularly worrying time for him.  Many groups of independent Bible students took a long, critical look at the teachings of the traditional churches and began to throw off one abominable false doctrine after another.  They were on their way.  So he sent teachers into their midst to distract and waylay them.  In the case of the Bible Students that became Jehovah's Witnesses, he accomplished something he'd never done before.  He actually got them to stop partaking altogether.  He got them to publicly deny the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

Today, a new awakening is taking place and he cannot stop it, for the Holy Spirit is more powerful than Satan and his demons.  In fact, all his machinations only serve God's purpose, for it is the testing and tribulation that originate from Satan which makes the critical refining process possible; that which molds us into what our Father is looking for.  (2Co 4:17; Mark 8:34, 38)

How sad it is though that many of our friends and brothers are becoming—often unwittingly—part of that testing and refining process.

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The Governing Body is implying in this paragraph that Jehovah did most of his selection in the first century, then backed off, and is now ramping up the selection process again.  They seem to be grasping at any straw to deflect attention away from the real reason for this increase: Many are simply waking up to the truth.

“We must be careful not to react like the disgruntled workers who complained about the way their master dealt with the 11th-hour workers.”


Yet another misapplication of Scripture. In the parable of the 11th-hour workers, in the end, all the workers were hired. If we make that fit with JW theology, we have to change the parable to where master had thousands of workers to choose from, but only picked a handful.

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Assertion 8: “Not all who have the heavenly hope are part of “the faithful and discreet slave.”

And we know this because…? Oh, right, because they told us so. Here’s the reasoning from the paragraph:

“As in the first century, Jehovah and Jesus today are feeding many through the hands of a few [the few today making up the FADS is the GB]. Only a few anointed Christians in the first century were used to write the Christian Greek Scriptures. [Right, but they weren’t the FADS, because the present understanding is that there was no FADS in the first century.] Similarly today, only a few anointed Christians have been appointed to provide spiritual “food at the proper time.” [But these are the FADS unlike their first century counterparts because like their first century counterparts who were not the FADS, these ones also provide food at the proper time, thereby qualifying them to be the FADS.]


I hope that’s clear, but if not, I can go over it again.  (For more on this, see Identifying the Slave.)

Assertion 9: “Jehovah has chosen to give two separate rewards—heavenly life for spiritual Jews and earthly life for the symbolic ten men.”

All these baseless assertions get tiring after a while.  If the Scriptures speak of two rewards for Christians, then please give us the references!

“Both groups must remain humble. Both groups must be united. Both groups must promote peace in the congregation.”


Peace, unity, humble obedience.  This mantra is recited whenever the real truth of the matter must be concealed.

“As the last days draw to a close, let all of us be determined to serve as one flock under Christ.”


Just be aware that “Christ” is code for “the Organization”.

An Apology


Some may object to my tone during this article. (If so, you should have seen the earlier drafts.)

I try to stay detached and analytical, to appeal to the heart through the mind.  I don’t always succeed, but my desire is not to alienate anyone. Nevertheless, there are times when there is so much bovine fodder in an article that it just overwhelms my calm. Elijah lost his on one occasion, as did Paul. So I’m in good company at least. (1Ki 18:27; 2Co 11:23)  And then, there is the example of our Lord, who twice beat out the money leaders from the temple.  Perhaps my British  stiff-upper-lip heritage isn't what Christianity calls for.  It's a learning process.

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[i] Though found in six places in the NWT, the word itself is not found in the original text.



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  • Comment by william on 2016-03-20 03:47:52

    With regard to your apology, I understand your feeling. During the 1980's (during the anti-apostasy campaign), I slowly caught on to the unscriptural, dishonest manner in which Watchtower articles were constructed. It drove me crazy and I acted angry. I flinch when I read the copies of the letters I used to write to Bethel. I consistently accused the writers of the Watchtower of deliberately using scriptures of context. I had to get away and quit reading Watchtower publications. I should have left years before I did. On the rare occasions I have gotten Watchtower literature since then, I get angry again. To this day, I can't picture how a human being who is assigned to write a Watchtower article could produce such articles. Sometimes I think a demon is inspiring the articles. A human being would resign from the Writing Department as soon as he saw what was required of him.

  • Comment by Joshua on 2016-03-20 04:01:08

    Great article Meleti.

    And your tone was just fine, on the mark actually.

    Thanks.

  • Comment by Vox Ratio on 2016-03-20 04:46:13

    Hi Meleti,

    Thanks again for the efforts you're making in behalf of Christ.

    The image you embedded is quite a bombshell, so just in case your readers go looking for it they will find it in the April 15 WT, not the March 15 WT.

    When I first realised what was missing from this picture, I was completely dumbfounded... and then my heart sank into abject disappointment. It was difficult for me to comprehend how something so obviously Scriptural could be omitted, and in plain sight no less! Was there really not even one person in the writing department or on the editorial committee that protested its inclusion? Whatever the case may be, it seems that no voice of clarity was allowed to be heard.

    I remember thinking, where is Jesus? Is he not our lord, our leader, our head, and our hero? Indeed he is, and so much more! For it is he who sends the spirit of truth and it is he who gives us wisdom (Joh. 15:26; Lu. 21:15). Yet, for the purpose of this discussion, even more pertinent than what he gives is where he gives it – for he gives us these things freely and he gives it to us from the heavens. So why does this picture not include our leader within these same heavenly realms?

    True to the old adage, this picture does indeed paint a thousand words. In fact, with this one illustration the WT has revealed, nay published, an acknowledgement of its lack of reliance on the one appointed to lead the Christian congregation. It would seem that what was once a suspicion of a few is now a confession to the many; namely, that Christ Jesus is absent from the decision making process of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    • Reply by Meleti Vivlon on 2016-03-20 12:30:11

      Thanks for catching that error, Vox Ratio. I'll fix it right away. And thank you to everyone for the words of encouragement.

  • Comment by imacountrygirl2 on 2016-03-20 06:56:41

    Meleti, I confess I've never noticed your stiff-upper-lip British accent before now! And I must say that I did recognize that your tone was somewhat different. I did not find it offensive, rather I felt your honesty and sincerity to be revealing of the struggle you are facing as you come to the conclusion of the staggering amount of harm that the GB is purposely inflicting on our dear brothers and sisters who are still part of the GB's man-made Organization.

    The very thought of the GB inserting themselves between my family and Jesus is enough to make my blood boil. It breaks my heart to think of Jehovah's Witnesses sitting in the Kingdom Hall, picturing their only hope, that of living in a nice house and playing with animals on paradise earth, thinking all 8.2 million of them are safe and secure, just waiting to survive Armageddon while the rest of us 7.4 billion people will be killed by Jehovah God.

    I think our feelings are all part of our Spiritual journey of enlightenment. Once we begin to accept in our hearts that we have so obviously been mislead, it becomes clear that it is not happening accidentally, but is a deliberate act on the GB's part, and that does cause righteous indignation on our part. We sometimes feel angry, frustrated, and helpless because we are facing nearly impossible odds to give any tangible help to our brothers and sisters in overcoming their enslavement to mere human men.

    I have to remember that at one time, I was in their shoes and would have no part of any doubt or questions about my faith. I was completely blind and intoxicated by the GB's Koolaid. It was so much easier to let the GB do my thinking for me. When questions did come up, I figured I just wasn't studying hard enough.

    I was afraid of being damaged by reading literature that householders wanted to give me in the field ministry, I actually believed it was demonized and would throw it away before I went home because I did not want to take a chance of having it in my trash at home and setting me up to be attacked by demons. I a grown woman, was petrified by fear of the demons.

    My life was ruled by fear of not doing enough, not reading the Bible enough, not studying the Watchtower enough, not being a good enough publisher, not having enough accurate knowledge, not being a good enough mother, not being a good enough wife.

    What a relief to not live under so much fear and pressure. The more I learn about Jesus and how to become a true Christian and the further I stay away from the Watchtower, the freer I become and the easier it is to see the GB for what they actually are. The further away you get, the clearer the picture becomes.

    I sincerely appreciate the personal sacrifices you must make in order to write these articles for us Meleti.

    • Reply by 1984 on 2016-03-22 09:23:20

      Oh touché imacountrygirl2, I hear you, right down to not accepting "demonised" literature at the door. I would glance at it and throw it out before I got home. What a hypocrite, offering my beliefs unsolicited on those I called on without extending the same courtesy to them! I also echo your appreciation for these articles. Thank you Meleti! They have been profoundly enlightening for my wife and myself. I will definitely be partaking this year, after rejecting Jesus sacrifice for the last 25 memorials, but I won't be partaking at the Kingdom Hall, I'm done with them. My only saving grace is that I acted in ignorance in the past and I trust Jesus understands and forgives me, especially as I am repentant and have fresh resolve to correct all my mistakes over the last 25 years.

  • Comment by socrates1 on 2016-03-20 10:41:54

    Thanks Meleti. Excellent article. No objections to your tone, against an insulting, offensive (absolutely disgusting in par. 13) and highly suspicious article. To me, this article is very similar to political machinations against their eternal enemies. I suspect that the result will be the opposite only in a minority. Unfortunately most of our brothers are blind guided by...

  • Comment by katrina on 2016-03-20 12:57:21

    Excellent article, the GB talks out of both sides of their mouth, do not judge, but they implant the thought that some that partake may be emotionally or mentally ill. WOW. Really find it hard to sit through these studies.

  • Comment by Mouchette on 2016-03-20 14:45:57

    Thomas. Well done in following the biblical instruction to "Get out of her my people".

  • Comment by Joshua on 2016-03-20 15:09:01

    I would like to make a comment on paragraph 15:

    "During the last days, Jehovah has continued to select those who will make up the 144,000. If he chooses to wait until late into that period to select some for that privilege, who are we to question his wisdom?"

    I know these words bring comfort to those partaking not necessarily because they are "awake" but because they believe the Organization, the worldwide brotherhood, is God's organization and in their hearts the words above show a measure of acceptance from the Governing Body. Even to hinting that the recent "hiring" may be compared to the 11th-hour workers.

    "We must be careful not to react like the disgruntled workers who complained about the way their master dealt with the 11th-hour workers."

    For the young partakers who during the hard times of the 1980's, 90's and prior to the 2007 opening of the door, struggled to maintain their faith against grossly negative Watchtower articles and vindictive elders; the words above have more meaning than can be known.

    For this, I extend my gratitude to the writer.


    Joshua

  • Comment by Justin Michesloff on 2016-03-20 16:58:56

    In reference to the preface to this article regarding critical thinking, please consider:

    How would one approach making a large financial investment. Would they simply take the word of the investment firm as printed in their flashy prospectus, complete with promises of wealth beyond imagination, or would they do their own research? Any savvy investor would agree that this would be the epitome of foolishness to make an investment without fully vetting the deal, with at least one, but more likely multiple references so they could feel secure in their investment. What then, would they do if, in their additional research, found major inconsistencies in what they had been told, would they still make the investment? Would they still take that risk?

    How about if the investment firm then insisted that you should not research, prove, check out, or even read, any third party reviews, most investors would run because this is the opposite of reason and logic. Only a fool would pursue this course.

    The real question is then: Why would anyone put so much research and digging into a financial investment and yet perform absolutely no outside research into an investment that means their very lives?

    The point is obvious....

    To be found acceptable, we are actually obligated to "carefully examine the scriptures daily to see whether these things were so". We must " Make sure of all things" and "hold fast to what is fine". We must vett our investment.

    However, If one looks critically at the "channeled (?) " writings and gives voice to that research randomly, you will likely find yourself out on your own where you may not be able to fully help right hearted ones. Remember what Jesus Christ himself warned in Matthew 10:16, "...prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves".

    How encouraging it is to find likeminded life investors here on Beroean Pickets. For those of us who are trying to be savvy life investors, this, and other review sites provide a way to fully vett our investment.

    Thank you and may Jehovah continue to bless your efforts.

    • Reply by Joshua on 2016-03-20 18:13:49

      "To be found acceptable, we are actually obligated to “carefully examine the scriptures daily to see whether these things were so”. We must ” Make sure of all things” and “hold fast to what is fine”. We must vett our investment."

      True.

      It is easy to say Jesus is our Teacher, our Leader, and then, like the man who sees his face in the mirror but then all too soon forgets, we go off to follow a new leader, a new teacher, who is just flesh as we are.

      It could be said that Adam followed Eve's lead, he listened to her voice, but Eve was deceived. And so it is also with those who claim to lead in a religious Way for others to follow; they also may be deceived.

      Following Christ is the only safeguard to avoid deception either by men or by Satan.


      Thanks for your post,
      Joshua

  • Comment by Nick_O on 2016-03-20 17:02:19

    Meleti,

    Excellent job covering this article. This article is upsetting for so many reasons. I don't know if I can bring myself to attend this one. However if I do, I may try to bring out in a comment the cross reference in the Reference Bible from Zechariah 8:23 which points to 1 Corinthians 14:25. Paul actually alluded to the scripture in Zechariah having a first century fulfillment.

    • Reply by Meleti Vivlon on 2016-03-20 18:23:55

      Thank you for pointing that out, Nick.

    • Reply by Joshua on 2016-03-20 19:31:48

      It appears that cross reference, along with other good features found in the Reference Bible, has been removed from the Revised NWT.

  • Comment by leaving_quietly on 2016-03-20 17:14:00

    Paragraphs 12 and 13 could be a prelude to eliminating the count altogether, or at least, not publishing it. How simple it would be for them to send a letter referencing these two paragraphs in this article, and then announcing that the counts would no longer either taken or published. The obvious question is: since "Jehovah knows who belongs to him," then why are we attempting to determine who they are? That doesn't seem to be in our realm of authority.

    • Reply by Joshua on 2016-03-21 19:19:28

      The count serves a useful purpose, at least for now.

      • Reply by 1984 on 2016-03-22 09:37:23

        I think their purpose for publishing it in the past was to create a sense of how close we are to Armageddon, but that has become farcical now and if anything has had the opposite effect. It is the same with the ever shifting thought of when the 144,000 is sealed. I mean, how many time has that thought changed? Before Armageddon, after Armageddon, before the great tribulation, after the great tribulation breaks out but before Armageddon, etc....it's ridiculous. It is true though that they will probably stop publishing it eventually. I wonder what they will do when the number of partakers hits 144,000! ?

        • Reply by Joshua on 2016-03-22 15:52:06

          For now, the count serves a useful purpose because it serves notice to the rank and file that something is going on which defies the Society's teaching, it loudly declares the Governing Body, the FDS, is in the dark. In 2007 they destroyed Rutherford's 1935 wall and Frederic Franz' replacement theory. Now, when it comes to the earthly foundation of Christ's Kingdom, the anointed, the Governing Body is in uncharted waters. If Christ has kept from them this understanding then truly they are in spiritual darkness. For how can the Faithful Slave feed Domestics he does not know exist?

          Those not wanted but who keep partaking at Memorial, who keep declaring themselves sons of God no matter what discouragement the FDS puts before them, are standing up for Christ. They have no visible leader, no man leads them, yet every year they climb the wall into the environs of the Governing Body and by God's spirit in effect loudly declare: Wake up, read it again, read your Bible again. We are here because it is time.

          If the Watchtower stops reporting the count it means Christ has won!

          Joshua

          Meleti, I'm adding this note to thank you for the love you have shown to so many. Keep your light shining brother. Love to all here.

  • Comment by Mouchette on 2016-03-20 17:18:27

    When I was still a JW the wts used to say that the angels in the 'four corners' of the earth were holding back the winds of destruction until the full number of the 144,000 was complete. I guess those angels must be struggling to hold on now. But if they had got that right then destruction would have happened centuries ago.

  • Comment by mailman on 2016-03-25 11:59:57

    Paragraph 3 - "No one can know whether an anointed Christian will receive his heavenly reward until Jehovah judges that person to be worthy of such a prize. Jehovah makes this determination and gives him the final sealing before he dies faithfully or sometime before the outbreak of the great tribulation"

    My personal view: Perhaps the WT writer forgot that it is our Lord Jesus Christ who would be the judge according to John:

    "For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive,+ so the Son also makes alive whomever he wants to.+ 22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,+ 23 so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him."

    26 For just as the Father has life in himself,*+ so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.+ 27 And he has given him authority to do judging,+ because he is the Son of man.

    And then Paul at Acts 17: 30 - 31

    True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance;+ but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent. 31 Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge+ the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.

    Nowhere in these verses can you see that there will be judgment on an anointed or those with heavenly calling, leaving the rest for an earthly hope. Why leave our Lord from this paragraph? Was the omission done on purpose or was it a case of pure oversight?

  • Comment by mailman on 2016-03-25 12:21:04

    On Paragraph 6, I definitely agree on your observation, bro. Meleti. Just as we are so proud to share the good news about a paradise earth or earthly hope, shouldn't our anointed brothers be proud or beaming with pride to share also their heavenly hope to others, including their brothers with an earthly hope? Where in the bible do we see discouragement much less a stern warning to share this good news? On the contrary, Christians are motivated to do it. But make no mistake, dear brothers, our hope of everlasting life in God's kingdom, remains one and the same. We should not seal our lips and just be silent. We have to be vocal of this hope. After all, we leave it all up to the Father and his Son the judgment. Hence, we declare our hope, and let Christ be our judge.

  • Comment by Em on 2016-04-15 19:24:46

    I have to say, when i see that picture, I view the person on the throne as being Jesus. He is the King of God's Kingdom...maybe I am missing some obvious reference to this being Jehovah? In that case, the Governing Body is underneath Jesus. Just a thought.

    • Reply by Biblicaly Inclined on 2020-05-17 19:47:22

      The publications always depict Jehovah without showing his face, unlike the way they do Jesus.

  • Comment by We Will Go With You - Beroean Pickets - JW.org Reviewer on 2020-03-29 11:22:27

    […] Indeed, if you do a comparison you will notice that this study article is almost completely word for word just a reprint of the January 2016, Study Watchtower article “We want To Go With You” (p.22). Rather than attempt to refute the same unscriptural points that have already been established by the previous review, it would be good to get a good background before continuing. Please see the review here 20 March 2016,  Watchtower Study Articles Review. […]

  • Comment by safeguardyourheart on 2020-03-29 15:47:26

    I just had to read and read and archive it once more.

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