A Fairy Godmother Religion

– posted by meleti
I’ve been thinking about the theme of this year’s Regional Convention: Don’t Give Up!  It’s an oddly prosaic theme, don’t you think?  What is its purpose?

That brought to mind a recent discussion with a close friend who asked what congregation I was now attending.  Since I no longer attend, there ensued a brief discussion about the reasons why; reasons which my friend was not willing to dwell upon.  Instead, in an apparent attempt to “encourage me” and probably herself as well, she gushed about the recent Zone Overseer’s talk.  I’d heard it was all about the Governing Body, but “No. No.” she disagreed.  It was very encouraging.  It showed how very close to the end we are.

I’ve found this to be a common attitude when speaking with different ones about the foibles of the Organization.  They will ignore the evidence of hypocrisy that the UN membership (1992-2001) demonstrates and dismiss the growing child sexual abuse scandal as a misunderstanding of the Organization’s position. They will decline to engage in a Scriptural discussion about the truth or falsehood behind core JW doctrines, and excuse the failings of the leadership of JW.org as “just the imperfections of men.”  They do all this, it seems to me, because of the dream.  Like Cinderella laboring in a menial life of servitude, with no hope of anything better, they dream of Jehovah swooping down like some sort of fairy godmother, waving his magic wand, and poof, they’re with prince charming in paradise.  In one fell swoop, and very soon indeed, the banality of their life will end, and their wildest dreams will come true.

It is this attitude that the 2017 Regional Convention seeks to exploit.  The convention does nothing to improve one’s knowledge of the Christ, nor to strengthen one’s relationship with our savior.  No, the message is this: Don’t give up because we’re almost there; you’ve almost won the prize.  Have you lost a loved one? Don’t give up and you’ll be with them in just a few more years.  Are you suffering from some serious illness?  Don’t give up and within a few years, you’ll not only be healthy, but young as well.  Are the kids at school bullying you?  Are your workmates giving you a hard time?  Don’t give up and before you know it, you’ll be the last one laughing.  Are you struggling economically?  Don’t give up and in a few more years, you’ll have the wealth of the world for the taking.  Are you bored with your lot in life? Is your job unfulfilling?  Don’t give up and in no time at all, you’ll be able to do anything you want.

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not dissing the wonderful hope and the solution to life's problems that the Kingdom of God will bring to mankind.  However, when this becomes the be all and end all of our faith, we've lost our balance and when you are off balance, it is easy to tip you over.  Evidence we have lost our true focus as Christians comes when you challenge the precept that the end is, as Anthony Morris III put it in the concluding convention talk, "imminent".  Suggest to a witness that the end is not so near—put it off 20 or 30 years—and you’re in for an unpleasant discussion or rebuke.  It is not enough that God will bring this wicked system to an end. For Witnesses, it is vital that he do it quickly—we’re talking single-digit years here.

Of course, the end will come in God’s good time and it could be tomorrow for all we know.  However, it is only the end of the current system of things.  It isn’t the end of wickedness, for there is more in our future. (Re 20:7-9) What it is in reality is the beginning of the next phase of God’s process for salvation, already in effect since before the first man was conceived in Eve’s womb.

Focusing on “the end” to the exclusion of all else leaves one open to emotional manipulation which, as we’ll see in this and the next article, seems to be what this convention is all about.

Why Focus on the Imminence of Armageddon?

The Convention opens on Friday with the talk by Governing Body member, Geoffrey Jackson, “We Must Not Give Up—Especially Now!” and ends on Sunday in the closing talk by GB member, Anthony Morris III, with the assurance that “The end is imminent!”.  Given that much of the criticism Witnesses get comes from the many failed “end-of-world” predictions that are part of JW history, one might wonder why they are punching this particular “tar-baby” yet again.  The answer is, simply, because it still works.

With Cinderella-like mentality, Witnesses desperately want to be free of the drudgery of this system and the Governing Body promises that if they stay in the organization and do what men tell them to do, then very soon—very soon—they will have their wish fulfilled.  Of course, this wish comes with conditions.  They don't have to be home before midnight, but they do have to stay inside the Organization and obey its Governing Body.  If we start focusing on our history and dwell on past prophetic failures, they might lose their grip over us.  The problem is that some of our history is so recent that it remains in the memory of living Witnesses.  The events surrounding 1975 for instance.  What to do about that?

Drinking Poisoned Water

There is an illustration that pops up regularly in Congregation Public Talks.  It originates from one of the publications:

Is it true that there is good in all religions?
Most religions do teach that a person should not lie or steal, and so forth. But is that sufficient? Would you be happy to drink a glass of poisoned water because someone assured you that most of what you were getting was water?
(rs p. 323 Religion)

Much of the counsel in this convention is Scriptural and healthful.  Many of the videos and talks are inspiring.  One such is the final talk on Friday: “How You Can “By No Means Ever Fail”.  It discusses the last four qualities Peter spoke of at 2 Peter 1:5-7: endurance, godly devotion, brotherly affection, and love.  The talk includes two touching video dramatizations about dealing with the loss of loved ones.  This might be likened to a glass of water, clear and pure.

However, could there be a drop of poison dissolved in that water of truth?

Halfway through the first video in which we see the main protagonist dealing with the death of his wife, we abruptly change gears at the 1:40-minute mark to talk about the discouragement he dealt with over the failed 1975 prediction.

The narrator begins by saying that “back then, some were looking to a certain date as signifying the end of this old system of things.  A few even went so far as selling their homes and quitting their jobs.”

It should be noted that 1975 is never specifically mentioned; he only alludes to a “certain date”.  Additionally, the talk outline does not make any direct mention of this portion of the first video. Here’s the relevant extract from the actual talk outline:

As you watch the following dramatization, notice how Rachel’s father put forth effort to strengthen his endurance

VIDEO (3 min.)

As we saw depicted in the video, we can strengthen our endurance by: (1) study, (2) meditation, and (3) putting into practice what we learn
These steps will also help us to cultivate the remaining qualities mentioned at 2 Peter 1:5-7

The portion about 1975 is considered important enough to spend time and money filming it as part of a larger video, yet no reference is made to it in the surrounding talk.  It’s just dropped in the video like some Stan Lee cameo.

Let us examine the message in more detail.

The use of “some” and “a few” gives the audience the impression that this erroneous belief was held by a minority and that they were getting carried away and were acting on their own.  One does not get the impression that the Organization, through its publications and circuit assembly and district convention programs, was in any way responsible for promoting this idea.

I’m sure that many of us who lived through that period of JW history will find this disingenuous recasting of blame to be highly offensive.  We know different.  We recall that the whole thing began with the publication of the book Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God (1966) and it was the following passage that was intended to and did catch our imagination.

“According to this trustworthy Bible chronology, six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E. So six thousand years of man’s existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation.”

“’For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch during the night.’  So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as the seventh day of man’s existence.

How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a Sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee Sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants!  This would be most timely for mankind.  It would also be most fitting on God’s part, for, remember, mankind has yet ahead of it what the last book of the holy Bible speaks of as the reign of Jesus Christ over earth for a  thousand years, the millennial reign of Christ. Prophetically Jesus Christ, when on earth nineteen centuries ago, said concerning himself: ‘For Lord of the Sabbath is what the Son of man is.’ (Matthew 12:8)  It would not be by mere chance or accident but would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the ‘Lord of the Sabbath,’ to run parallel with the seventh millennium of man’s existence.”

This book was studied at the weekly congregation Book Study by all Jehovah’s Witnesses, so the idea that only “some were looking to a certain date” is an utter canard.  If there was a minority—a “some”—it would have been those discounting this speculation by pointing to Jesus’ words about no one knowing the day or hour.

The video makes it sound like a few feckless fools ‘went so far as to sell their homes and quit their jobs’ because the end was near.  All the blame is placed on them.  None is assumed by those who consider themselves the feeders of the flock.  Yet, the May, 1974 Kingdom Ministry said:

"Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."

The narrator of the video would have us believe the Organization was playing a different tune at that time.  He adds: "But something just didn't seem right. Both in meetings and in my personal study I was reminded of what Jesus said. Nobody knows the day or the hour". [boldface added]

Sometimes you read or hear something like this and you just want to burst out with: “SAY WHAT?!”

The principle source for feeding the 1975 euphoria were the meetings, circuit assemblies, and district conventions.  Additionally, magazine articles, particularly in the Awake! magazine, continued to feed this frenzy of anticipation.  All of this is a matter of public record and cannot be successfully denied.  Yet, here they are attempting to do just that, slipping it into a video almost as if they hope no one notices the poison pill.

The narrator in the video would have us believe that the message at the meetings was one of sober restraint.  It is true that mention was made of verses like Mark 13:32 (“Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows.” – See w68 5/1 p. 272 par. 8)  What isn’t mentioned in the video is that there was always a counterpoint to dilute that Bible warning.  For instance, in the same article cited above, the previous paragraph stated: Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these “last days” will undergo fulfillment, resulting in the liberation of surviving mankind into Christ’s glorious 1,000-year reign.” (w68 5/1 p 272 par. 7)

But the Organization went even further in their attempts at neutralizing the words of Jesus.  Later that same year, The Watchtower rebuked those who were trying to bring some sense into the discussion by printing the following [boldface added]:

35 One thing is absolutely certain, Bible chronology reinforced with fulfilled Bible prophecy shows that six thousand years of man’s existence will soon be up, yes, within this generation! (Matt. 24:34) This is, therefore, no time to be indifferent and complacent. This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matt. 24:36) To the contrary, it is a time when one should be keenly aware that the end of this system of things is rapidly coming to its violent end. Make no mistake, it is sufficient that the Father himself knows both the “day and hour”!

36 Even if one cannot see beyond 1975, is this any reason to be less active? The apostles could not see even this far; they knew nothing about 1975.
(w68 8/15 pp. 500-501 par. 35, 36)

In the video the brother says that “in meetings…I was reminded of what Jesus said: “Nobody knows the day or the hour.”  Well, in the meeting that studied the August 15, 1968 Watchtower issue, he would have been admonished not to “toy with the words of Jesus”.  The context makes clear what that means.  We were being instructed by the leaders of the Organization that 1975 was significant, and those who disagreed with the Party line—pointing to Jesus’ words as proof—were tacitly accused of toying with the word of God.

This video is an affront to the honest-hearted Christians who lived through that period of time and invested their confidence in the words and interpretations of the men leading the Organization in those days; what we now call, the Governing Body.

There is a difference between a falsehood, a deception, and a lie.  While all lies are both falsehoods and deceptions, the reverse is not always the case. What makes a lie distinctive is intent, which is often hard to nail down.  Was the writer of this outline or the producer, director and actor of this video aware they were transmitting falsehoods?  It is inconceivable that everyone connected with this talk and video was unaware of the true history of these events.  A lie is an untruth that harms the recipient and serves the teller.  Satan gave birth to the lie when he harmed Eve and served his own ends by telling her an untruth.  The flock of Jehovah’s Witnesses would benefit by an honest admission of wrongdoing on the part of their leadership. Being deceived into thinking the leadership had nothing to do with the 1975 fiasco only serves to bolster a false confidence in their latest predictions.  All of this has the characteristics of a willful lie.

I look back on my time in the Organization in 1975, and I blame myself first and foremost.  Sure, a person who tells you a lie is culpable, but if you have someone you trust giving you information that proves you are being lied to and yet you choose to ignore it, you are to blame as well.  Jesus told me that he was coming at a time I would not think it to be.  (Mt 24:42, 44)  The Organization had me believing those words didn’t really apply (Now who’s toying with the words of Jesus?) and I chose to believe them.  Well, as the saying goes, “Fool me once.  Shame on you.  Fool me twice.  Shame on me.”

Words for all Jehovah’s Witnesses to live by.


The next article covering the 2017 Regional Convention will deal with a troubling new feature that has been slipped in.


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  • Comment by Joseph Anton on 2017-05-18 19:28:59

    Gutsy bringing up 1975 at all. I had no idea that that would be part of this Summer's convention. I've saved some choice quotes from your piece here (really well put together by the way) and I'm definitely showing those to my wife during the session. Most of my brothers and sisters in the organization are very prideful people - very haughty when it comes to their 'elevated' theocratic state. Until they get to something like this upcoming video, where everything they know to be true is flipped upside down, and they're forced to submit, humbly of course (I can already hear the narrator's voice in my head, a combination of a drama performance of Job humbly trying to explain to his friends why he isn't cursed, and good old fashioned false modesty) before the really haughty brothers. The ones who don't apologize for beating you up with adhering to their demands on you. I was a kid in 1975 - I would hope that if my father was still alive this video would make him ill at ease. Also enjoyed your 'Stan Lee cameo' metaphor. Very on point..

    • Reply by katrina on 2017-05-20 05:52:52

      5/15/69 Watchtower pp. 312
      "Since there is such a short time left, study no longer than six months with a prospective convert."

      In view of the short time left in which to do their work, Jehovah’s witnesses do not continue to study the Bible with any who fail to respond to its urgent message within six months. The nearness of this system’s end compels them to use their time in the most effective way possible. So they feel obligated to spend their time calling on someone else who might respond by attending meetings at the Kingdom Hall and by speaking to others about the Bible truths learned. Thus it may be that if you have not as yet responded by even becoming a regular attender at some of the congregation meetings, the one who is studying the Bible with you may cancel that study arrangement in order to give his time to someone else. This arrangement is not meant to be harsh, but the urgency of the times in which we live demands it. There are millions of persons who need spiritual help and God’s servants want to reach all they possibly can.

      • Reply by Meleti Vivlon on 2017-05-20 09:05:50

        Good catch, Katrina. This one WT reference alone can be used to show all those who claim that 1975 was not the product of the Governing Body just how wrong they are.

        • Reply by katrina on 2017-05-24 01:21:01

          I remember when I first came in decades ago it was "those crying and groaning about the wickedness" now it always we are having hardships, GB answer new house plenty of food big grapes and cherries, patting panda, no wrinkles and so on and so on, turned into all about us. What of the many atrocities the starving children the murder of millions around the world through terrorism no prayers for anyone, its all about how special they are they, crying for human rights so they can preach and not lose their precious buildings while other Christians are being beheaded set alight for not wanting to become Muslim. Really where is the outcry for others from JW NO WHERE ITS ALL ABOUT THEM AND WHAT THEY WANT.

  • Comment by Mike West on 2017-05-18 19:32:30

    Spot on (as usual) Meleti. The 'certain date' (1975) video is disingenuous at best, and most 'honest hearted ones' (to use a WT term) would find downright dishonest. I was a JW kid during this time frame and my parents both pioneered, and we lived where the need was great- despite the fact they had several children and spent most of their savings during this time. The Society is likely aiming this video at the many current JW's who were either not alive, or not JW's during this era in a bizarre attempt to skew perception. How Orewellian indeed. Again on a personal note, my parents are still active JW's and have adopted this opinion that the Society did not promote '75 to the level 'apostates' claim. I love them dearly, but what a blind eye people can have to all evidence when they desperately follow an organization and men instead of Jesus.

    • Reply by tyhik on 2017-05-19 05:24:26

      Hi Mike! You are right that they aim it mostly on younger witnesses and expect older ones to silently swallow it. And they are right. They know their sheep. They'll get away with it hands down. Every nation gets the government it deserves.

  • Comment by John S on 2017-05-18 20:48:00

    "The use of “some” and “a few” gives the audience the impression that this erroneous belief was held by a minority and that they were getting carried away and were acting on their own. One does not get the impression that the Organization, through its publications and circuit assembly and district convention programs, was in any way responsible for promoting this idea."

    Exactly. What LIARS!

    I was there, and we ran door-to-door withthe "What has Religion Done for Mankind" do or die tract in August I believe before, or maybe it was October too...3 months we distributed it.. And we just handed it to the h/holder and left, like ,"Last call you sinners!"

    I was 19, and had a crush on a girl and wanted to get married. The standing RULE was , "Young people should NOT get married this close to this 'odl sytem of things'...but Pioneer ! out of loyalty to the Org, basically.

    The 1975 disaster saw the end of huge baptisms for years, and many dropped out. I got married 3 years later, largely to get me an excuse to QUIT PIONEERING! It was misery!

    Amen, Meleti...right you are. We were there, brother! Don't lie to us !!!

  • Comment by eve04 on 2017-05-18 21:36:44

    1975 I remember that year and I wasn’t even a Witness then. All the families we studied with up to 1975 (it wasn’t that many lol) preached the end was soon to happen. I remember a few years ago discussing this in a car group. The elder in the car confidentally said the Society never said it was coming in 1975 it was the brothers and sisters.
    Now if that really was the truth that the bro and sisters were promoting that, I can’t believe the Society did not nip that in the bud. To go contrary to what they teach, come on anybody “pushing ahead” with that teaching would have been disfellowshipped. How did “some” promoting 1975 become a worldwide teaching if it was not coming from the top. REALLY, they need to STOP!
    Again, at this convention we are going to hear how close, imminent we are. It always makes me think of the little boy who cried wolf so many times that no one believed him. That is how the public feels. You can no longer preach to them about the end coming soon. They will tell you in a heartbeat, you JWs been saying it was close for years. Doesn’t work on the public but for some reason it still works on JWs.
    I like the Fairy God Mother Religion it says it nicely.
    I think I will find me a seat way in the back of the auditorium this convention and play Scrabble I can’t take it anymore…….

  • Comment by wild olive on 2017-05-19 03:28:09

    What a ripsnorter of an article,I found myself smiling mischievously reading it.
    Around 1970 I started to feel the urgency of the "end of the six thousandth year" time line.
    I was eight years old at the time and me and my mum and my sister where living in South Africa with my grand parents,the elders advised my mum to get back to Australia "because 1975 is coming".So back to Australia we came.
    Now back in Aus,I became friends with the son of the presiding elder,I will never forget going to his house one afternoon after school,to find that his parents had shifted a wall in the house to make a giant sized pantry,with floor to ceiling shelves that where stacked chock a block with tinned food,because "Armageddon was going to start at any moment ".
    It really had an impact on me,a13 yr old,that was the first time I thought about the end of the world,and that psychotic pantry did it to me.
    To say that it was just the misunderstanding of a few is very dishonest of the org,they kept the bro and sis on the boil through suggestion and inference,which as you said in the article,continues to the present.

    • Reply by Meleti Vivlon on 2017-05-19 09:29:16

      Quite an experience, Wild Olive. Thanks for sharing. My father took early retirement, took my sister out of grade 10, and off we went to South America. When the funds ran out, we returned and he ended up working as a maintenance man at a hospital to make ends me. He died penniless and my sister struggled because she didn't even have a high school diploma. And as they did then, they now are trying to blame the brothers and wash their hands of the whole deal.

    • Reply by Joseph Anton on 2017-05-19 11:23:00

      I'm picturing this pantry emptying out in time lapse. It's an easy to understand analogy for the slide from jubilation back into everyday malaise.

  • Comment by Ifionlyhadabrain on 2017-05-19 03:34:37

    Good job unveiling the real truth meleti, when I was a kid in the 60s in the uk we used to learn to read using the old ladybird books, some of which contained fairy stories and other little stories which contained some valuable lessons about life , almost like aesops fables , for goodness sake I wish I had of understood the story of little "chicken little " and the fox, because it's the same story that the watchtower are pushing , hahaha , ironic but not funny really .

    • Reply by Ifionlyhadabrain on 2017-05-19 03:44:02

      Mind you "chicken little " is probably banned as apostate literature , hahaha ,

  • Comment by tyhik on 2017-05-19 05:05:29

    The presentation of the 1975 hype in that video is a deliberate lie indeed. Videos like that are definitely approved by the GB. The youngest GB member Sanderson was baptized in Feb 1975, according to the WT of Jul 15, 2013. Therefore, all the GB members have provably the first hand eyewitness experience of what was going on back then, what was told in conventions and meetings, and who was the real source of the hype.

    • Reply by AndereStimme on 2017-05-22 14:23:17

      The wonderful thing about video is it makes its point off the record. The 1975 part of the video isn't mentioned in the talk, so it won't wind up in the WT articles to come, and a few years from now it will be hard to find where they "said" it. The use of the video medium has plausible deniability built into it.

  • Comment by Rufus on 2017-05-19 12:31:35

    I was serving as an elder before 1975. Baptisms at Belmont Race Track in Queens NY did not end until about 2:30pm, with 800 candidates waiting in line out of a total of 10,000 in attendance.

    Our circuit overseer was explicit in service that fall - it was the last opportunity to rescue these Catholics from death at Armageddon. We could be as rude as we needed to be to wake them up - we weren't coming back.

  • Comment by lazarus on 2017-05-19 16:14:53

    Thanks Meleti, the review was well summarised. Not long ago I was discussing the 1975 countdown with a Reg Pioneer sister now in her 70's. She and her husband at the time sold their home prior to 1975 and bought a caravan with their little ones, because they believed the end was near. She was telling me that she couldn't understand why most brothers were not following the societies warnings and selling up as well. When 1975 was over she felt embarrassed and humiliated because her worldly family tried to discourage her from selling their property. However, she's still pioneering today. Why would the society bring up such a Topic now. What's the real motive behind the clip. Maybe the reasoning is in the article and comments. I could speculate but that won't answer anything. For those who lived through it, wow. I feel for this sister, she won't be impressed at all.

    The watchtower's own admission of publishing anticipation of 1975 as being a marked year.

    "With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man's
    existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. ... Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility ." Watchtower 1980
    Mar 15 p.17

    There was this old cynical but faithful brother, who was a big speculator of events, would joke about surviving 1975. I was Studying in the 1980's. Maybe he was referring to this comment, possibly circulating the brotherhood, "Well now, as Jehovah's Witnesses, as runners, even though some of us have become a little weary, it almost seems as though Jehovah has provided meat in due season. Because he's held up before all of us, a new goal. A new year. Something to reach out for and it just seems it has given all of us so much more energy and power in this final burst of speed to the finish line. And that's the year 1975. Well, we don't have to guess what the year 1975 means if we read the Watchtower. And don't wait 'till 1975. The door is going to be shut before then. As one brother put it, "Stay alive to Seventy-Five"" - 1967 District Convention, Wisconsin Sheboygan District Overseer Brother Charles Sunutko

    • Reply by THE DRIFTER on 2017-05-19 18:50:01

      @Lazarus, ...you said,
      "Why would the society bring up such a Topic now. What’s the real motive behind the clip"

      Damage control!
      Activism is rearing its beautiful little (global) head and shining the metaphorical light on this organizations history.

      Durn those pesky facts!

  • Comment by wild olive on 2017-05-21 23:08:26

    Thanks Meleti for sharing a piece of your family history.
    I just wanted to add that with the actions your father took now takes the 1975 thing into a second phase.
    Ime sure that you all had a good time serving in South America,and could even point to specific experiences that brought great joy,and now this becomes the out for the org,if you bring up in conversation the irresponsibility of the 1975 teaching,bro and sis will say "weren't you blessed by Jehovah?" As if that makes it all ok. In reality the actions your father took was similar to going on a 6mth world trip entirely on credit,it has a consequence,this is blindly glossed over by those who can't stomach the fact that they where taken for a doctrinal ride up the garden path,you can now see why Paul made the point in 1thess that its those who don't have a love of truth are going to face Jesus wrath,and this love of truth starts by disposing of lies,the 1975 teaching been one of many.
    To then put it into a convention program and try and white wash it,the arrogance and deceit is monumental.

  • Comment by Leonardo Josephus on 2017-07-16 15:57:28

    Just from our Dc - Zone overseers talk. The end is imminent. Imminent means "about to happen, "overhanging". On what basis ? The nearest we got to some information which would prove how close to the end we are was that the number who had seen 1914 and were living was very few and therefore this proves how close we are to the end. All very circular to me. That was what it sounded like he said, anyway. And what happened to our overlapping generation teaching. Silence.
    So, as expected, no proof. Not a surprise.

  • Comment by wild olive on 2017-08-31 19:46:41

    As far as the end being imminent, I personally feel that what is looming is the collapse of western democracy. What's going to replace it I don't know,Ime not so sure it's going to be the kingdom of god just yet.
    What is going to be a challenge is living without all the freedoms that democracy has granted,even now the org is hiding behind the first amendment to protect itself from child abuse litigation, what will happen if that law is revoked?
    How will people worship with a "big brother" type of government monitoring your every move,every purchase you make,everything you say or do recorded and used against you? That could be what's on the way, a "New World Order" . How will the fairy god mother thinking and attitudes weather that storm?

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