Samuel Herd of the Governing Body opened the sessions by speaking of Jehovah as our Grand Instructor. (Isa. 30:20) As usual, no mention of Jesus was made. Yet, since the first century, he is now our Grand Instructor. (John 13:13; Matthew 23:8) Herd also said that for the last five months, the students had been sitting at Jehovah’s feet, because the earth is his footstool. Again, Herd calls back on the OT quoting from Isaiah 66:1, rather than the up-to-date truth that now God has set the earth as a footstool for his Son, at whose feet we learn. (Luke 20:42) He says that the knowledge the students have acquired has drawn them close to Jehovah, but no one can draw close to Jehovah except through the Son. Without proper—not just tacit—recognition of Jesus, it is not possible to approach God, the Father. (John 14:6, 7) Why is due honor not being given the Son?
Around the 7:30 minute mark, Sam Herd says, “We’re just touching things…and for the first time. Just think of the past ten years, how many things we’ve touched for the first time, even though we’ve read the Bible over and over again, and we’ve listened to it being read to us over and over again, but we’ve just touched a few things. Like the generation. Twenty years ago we didn’t know the generation. But now we know all about the generation.”
I had to pause to pick my chin up off the floor.
We’ve just touched this for the first time? We didn’t know about it before?? The publications have had different interpretations about the meaning of "this generation" for over 100 years! About every ten years from the decade of the 1960s forward, we “refined” and “adjusted” our understanding. Has that all been forgotten, swept under the carpet of history? And for what? A fabricated doctrine with no support in Scripture?
It doesn’t even make sense logically.
Jesus said: “Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.” (Mt 24:34) If Jesus had been referring to a generation that would not come on the world scene for another 1,900 years, one would have expected him to say “that generation”. Otherwise, saying “this generation” is just plain misleading.
So, that’s one hole in the reasoning. But wait, can we suggest that by “this”, Jesus meant the generation that was present at 1914? Okay, let’s go with that. So there you are, in 1914…you’re baptized and you are spirit-anointed, and you’ve just witnessed the start of the First World War. You are part of “this generation”. So according to Jesus’ words, you will see the end; you will see ‘all these things come to pass’. Ah, but no. You won’t. You may be part of “this generation”, the 1914 generation, but there’s another “this generation”, one that doesn’t yet exist—but it’s not a “that” but a “this”. So when “this generation” of 1914 is all dead, then “this generation” (one that never saw 1914) will be part of the 1914 generation. Two distinct "this generations", but really just one super generation, one “this generation”.
Sam Herd says “we’ve touched this for the first time.” Where I live, “being touched” has another meaning.
The next few talks give reasonably good counsel to the graduates to guide them in getting along with others as they go out on their assignments. Most of the talks are based in examples from the times of Israel. As such, all the focus is again on Jehovah, with little given to Jesus.
The Governing Body's growing insecurity becomes evident with the final talk: Yet another pitch for blind obedience. Mark Noumair goes to the account of 2 Samuel 21:1-10 and has to really reach to turn it into an example that can be used to get Witnesses to put up with injustices, both perceived and real, from the elders and higher-ups in the organization. His goal is to get you to remain loyal, while silently enduring and setting an example for others to do the same. The account is strange enough on its own from our modern perspective, but trying to use it to encourage loyalty to organizational arrangements is just bizarre.
Here is the account:
“Now there was a famine in the days of David for three consecutive years, so David consulted Jehovah, and Jehovah said: “There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibʹe·on·ites to death.” 2 So the king called the Gibʹe·on·ites and spoke to them. (Incidentally, the Gibʹe·on·ites were not Israelites but Amʹor·ites who remained, and the Israelites had sworn to spare them, but Saul sought to strike them down in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah.) 3 David said to the Gibʹe·on·ites: “What should I do for you, and how can I make atonement, so that you will bless the inheritance of Jehovah?” 4 The Gibʹe·on·ites said to him: “It is not a matter of silver or gold for us in connection with Saul and his household; nor can we put any man to death in Israel.” At that he said: “Whatever you say, I will do for you.” 5 They said to the king: “The man who exterminated us and schemed to annihilate us from living anywhere in the territory of Israel— 6 let seven of his sons be given to us. We will hang their dead bodies before Jehovah in Gibʹe·ah of Saul, the chosen one of Jehovah.” The king then said: “I will hand them over.” 7 However, the king showed compassion for Me·phibʹo·sheth, the son of Jonʹa·than the son of Saul, because of the oath made before Jehovah between David and Jonʹa·than, the son of Saul. 8 So the king took Ar·moʹni and Me·phibʹo·sheth, the two sons of Rizʹpah the daughter of Aʹiah whom she bore to Saul, and the five sons of Miʹchal the daughter of Saul whom she bore to Aʹdri·el the son of Bar·zilʹlai the Me·holʹath·ite. 9 Then he handed them over to the Gibʹe·on·ites, and they hung their dead bodies on the mountain before Jehovah. All seven of them died together; they were put to death in the first days of harvest, at the start of the barley harvest. 10 Then Rizʹpah the daughter of Aʹiah took sackcloth and spread it out on the rock from the start of harvest until rain poured down from the heavens on the bodies; she did not allow the birds of the heavens to land on them by day nor the wild beasts of the field to come near by night.” (2Sa 21:1-10)
One of the best explanations I've seen for this comes from the Welwyn Commentary of the Old Testament. It's a bit long, but well worth the read if you really want to get a handle on the probable mindset of those days.
‘It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house …’ (2 Samuel 21:1).
In the summer of 1977, the United States was rocked by a series of terrible tragedies. California was parched by drought and scorched by forest fires. Floods in central Pennsylvania took many lives and recalled the devastating Johnstown Flood of 1889 that buried a whole city in one night. And the city of New York was terrorized by the ‘son of Sam’ murders and the great ‘black-out’ in which over 2,000 shops were looted in a single night. Many people had cause to ask, ‘What do these things mean?’ And answers galore flowed from scientists, psychiatrists and sociologists.
Few, if any, of these media pundits had a fraction of the insight on these problems that Pharaoh’s magicians had when, 3,500 years ago, they faced the plagues that had descended upon Egypt. The magicians had little conception of the secondary causes which so obsess us in our scientific age. They could not sample the blood-red waters of the Nile and send them to the laboratory for analysis; they had no zoologists to enlighten them about the mass irruptions of frogs and locusts; they had no ‘science’ with which to provide ‘explanations’ which are really little more than elaborate naturalistic descriptions of the events. And so, as supernaturalists—albeit heathen supernaturalists—they looked for ultimate answers. They duly put two and two together and arrived at the answer that it was all related to their confrontation with Moses and the Israelites and that, therefore, these calamities were ‘the finger of God’ (Exodus 8:19). They understood what modern secular man and secular modernist ‘Christians’ steadfastly refuse to admit—that God acts in history and that, consequently, there is a relationship between human behaviour and the events of history which can only be explained in terms of the interplay, on the one hand, of human sin and, on the other hand, of the long arm of God’s law.
This is the issue which is addressed in 2 Samuel 21. It is first applied to the relationship between the Gibeonites, a Canaanite clan still living in Israel, and the Israelites, with particular reference to a past attempt by the late King Saul to apply the ‘final solution’ of genocide to the ongoing ‘problem’ of that subject people (21:1-14). It is then shown in action in the destruction of the Philistines and, on one occasion, the saving of David’s life in battle (21:15-22). The arm of the Lord reaches out to vindicate his justice and call the guilty to account. But it is the same arm that is not shortened so that it cannot save.
Sin exposed [21:1-2]
The passage records that ‘During the reign of David, there was a famine for three successive years.’ It is not clear at what point in David’s reign the three-year famine took place. Current scholarship regards 2 Samuel 21–24 as an appendix to the historical narrative—the so-called ‘Samuel Appendix’—and therefore probably not in strict chronological order. Whatever the case may be, there is no doubt that the inspired historian recorded the circumstances of the calamity at this point in his narrative in order to focus attention on the same topic as chapters 19 and 20, namely, David’s dealings with the supporters and descendants of the house of Saul. You will recall that as David fled from Absalom, Shimei had called him ‘a man of blood’ on account of his alleged treatment of the house of Saul (16:7-8). The likelihood is that this accusation arose from matters covered by 21:2-14—the executions of Saul’s grandsons. The record of that incident is, accordingly, inserted in the text at this point in order to set the record straight. From the historian’s viewpoint, this is an essential component in the account of David’s restoration, for it proves him to be the Lord’s king over against any residual commitment to the house of Saul, as represented by Shimei, Sheba and the Benjamites. David is held up as the righteous king who is vindicated by the Lord.
The first step towards this implied conclusion is the identification of the three-year famine with the sins of ‘Saul and his blood-stained house’. David had ‘sought the face of the Lord’ because he knew that the famine bore a relationship of some kind to the ethical and spiritual condition of Israelite society (Deuteronomy 28:47-48). In modern terms, we might say that so-called natural disasters are never merely ‘natural’ but are invariably related to the sinful human condition and constitute one component in the dealings of God with the human race. David did not jump to conclusions about this. He did not speculate as to the reasons, or cast around for scapegoats. He enquired of the Lord by the prescribed means and it was revealed to him that the reason was that the late King Saul had ‘put the Gibeonites to death’.
The Gibeonites were an Amorite (Canaanite) people who had been spared annihilation when Israel entered the land. They had secured a treaty of peace with Israel by an ingenious deception (Joshua 9:3-15). When the Israelites discovered that they had been tricked, they nevertheless honoured their oath (cf. Psalm 15:4). This was the covenant which Saul had violated by attempting to annihilate the Gibeonites (21:2). The sin was compounded by the fact that whereas God had commanded Saul to extirpate the Amalekites (1 Samuel 15:3), he had given no such orders with respect to the Gibeonites. Years had passed since the crime, but God had not forgotten it and the famine was the initial impact of his retributive justice.
This remarkable instance of cause and effect and of sin and judgement illustrates three principles of God’s dealings with men and nations, and most pointedly with his people, the church—for Israel was the church in the Old Testament period.
- When Saul attacked the Gibeonites, he almost certainly did it in the conviction that it would be pleasing to God. Yet he had no warrant for so doing. God had told him to deal with the Amalekites, but he had substituted the easier, more convenient task of descending on the hapless Gibeonites. He decided to do what he wanted to do, when he knew very well exactly what God wanted him to do, and he clothed his disobedience in the fraudulent respectability of the notion that he was doing the Lord’s work anyway. If you can’t just sin boldly, you find a way of redefining it as ‘good’! This method can easily be adapted to any aspect of life. Even gross breaches of the Ten Commandments have been justified in this way. Christian martyrs have been murdered under the pretence that it was God who required their deaths, while adulterers have justified themselves by arguing that the new ‘relationship’ was happier, more stable and consequently more pleasing to God than the marriage which had been broken by their sin.
- The troubles and events of history are not haphazard. Calamities are never ‘the luck of the draw’. They are all personal providences, falling within the orbit of God’s sovereignty—however inscrutable they may appear to be at the time. There is no reason for Christians to be squeamish about this. God is at work in the world and he is telling us something! The world may call it ‘bad luck’, but let Christians ‘employ more God-honouring language’ and realize that ‘When the smile of God is withdrawn from us, we should at once suspect that something is wrong.’ Our first reaction ought to be to go to the Lord in prayer and, with Job, ‘say to God: Do not condemn me, but tell me what charges you have against me.’ For those who love Jesus Christ, the answer will not be long in coming, for God is a loving Father to his people: like every faithful father he disciplines his children. But as the altogether righteous God, he will crush his enemies and vindicate those they have oppressed. Floods and famines ought to concentrate our minds on the practical—and the ultimate—questions of our life, its meaning and destiny, and the claims of God.
- It is a myth, although a very popular one, that ‘Time’ is ‘a great healer’. ‘Time’ is no substitute for repentance and changing our ways. People may forget our past sins and the receding of reproach may seem like healing, but God never forgets because he will perfectly vindicate his law and those who have been wronged. For Israel, the Gibeonite massacre was at most a half-forgotten tragedy; for God, it was a reckoning that only waited for his sounding of the trumpet! This is the very nature of the true justice of the eternal God. No injustice will slip past him. When men seem to get away with things for a certain time, they feel they are in the clear—things have ‘blown over’ or ‘cooled off’. But from the Lord’s perspective nothing merely ‘blows over’. There is no ‘statute of limitations’ with the justice of God. He will judge the world with righteousness.
Justice for the Gibeonites [21:2-14]
We should note that the Gibeonites had never complained about Saul’s pogrom. Like all oppressed and all-but-overwhelmed minorities, they just wanted to survive. Protest might only draw forth further cruelty and achieve the extinction for which Saul had striven so murderously. The victims kept quiet. It was the Lord who reopened the case with his three-year famine. David therefore approached the Gibeonites in order to redress the long-standing grievance. ‘How shall I make amends,’ he asked them, ‘so that you will bless the Lord’s inheritance?’ (21:3).
The Gibeonite response and request (21:4-6)
The Gibeonite reply was as astute as it was restrained. In the first place, they were careful to observe both the proprieties of God’s law and the vulnerability of their own situation as a subject people. They did not ask for monetary damages, because God’s Word prohibits trading loss of life through murder for money. The death penalty was—and remains to this day—the proper punishment for murder (Numbers 35:31-33). ‘Those over-value money and under-value life,’ remarks Matthew Henry, ‘that sell the blood of their relations for corruptible things, such as silver and gold.’ Neither did they ask to be released from their serfdom under the Israelites, which would be a legitimate implementation of the law of restitution in Exodus 21:26: ‘If a man hits a manservant or maidservant in the eye and destroys it, he must let the servant go free to compensate for the eye.’ They also recognized that they did not have the right to put anyone to death in Israel. In this way, they wisely laid the entire responsibility for justice upon David’s decision as the chief magistrate of Israel. They were not without an idea of what they wanted, but they wanted David to understand that they were responding to him in a humble and genuinely aggrieved way as opposed to a proud and vindictive manner.
When David again asked what he could do, they asked that ‘seven of [Saul’s] male descendants be given to [them] to be killed and exposed before the Lord at Gibeah of Saul—the Lord’s chosen one’ (21:5-6). This request is often regarded today as ‘strange and repellent’ because it involved the execution of seven supposedly ‘innocent men’. It therefore is the current fashion to explain this ‘in terms of the culture and attitudes of the age’. This approach, however, casts an aspersion on the Lord, who led David to dispense this justice for the Gibeonites. It suggests that God was himself boxed in by the culture and attitudes of the age and felt compelled to allow this essentially reprehensible deed to be done to accommodate contemporary primitive notions of justice. Meanwhile we can feel good that we are more enlightened! An assessment of this kind, however, ignores the most simple and basic fact of all—a fact that has to be a basic interpretive principle for understanding what was going on in these events—namely that God approved of this as a just retribution for the original genocide by Saul. Charles Simeon rightly observes: ‘such a kind of retribution would not be justifiable among us; because the children are not to suffer for the parents’ crimes [cf., Deuteronomy 24:16]: but, as ordered of God, it was right: and, if the whole truth were known, we would probably find that the sons of Saul had aided and abetted the wicked devices of their father; and that they therefore justly suffered as partners in his crime.’ It is significant that ‘seven’ only of the descendants of Saul were to be killed. This number represented the action of God and the completeness of his action. The Gibeonites asked for the minimum number by which the justice so done could be seen to be the work of God rather than the revenge of men. Even in this, the Gibeonites showed a restraint which evidences a profound understanding of and submission to the canons of divine justice. David’s response was to grant the request.
The execution of seven (21:7-9)
By the side of Loch Oich, on the road between Fort William and Inverness, in Scotland, there stands a well, called in Gaelic, Tober n’an ceann’—the ‘well of the heads’. A monument with seven carved heads commemorates the washing there of the severed heads of the murderers of the young sons of Macdonald of Keppoch before they were presented by the executioners to the bereaved clan chief in token of accomplishment of justice, Highland style. When justice is done, it needs to be seen to be done, so that people may understand that God is not mocked. So David chose seven of Saul’s house. He handed over the two sons of Saul by Rizpah and five grandsons, the sons of Saul’s daughter Merab, taking care to exclude Mephibosheth, because of his covenant ‘before the Lord’ with Jonathan, Saul’s son (21:7). The seven were executed and their bodies hung up for public display at the time of the barley harvest, in token of the fact that famine had been God’s means of bringing the sin of the house of Saul to light. The Scripture says that ‘Anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse’ (Deuteronomy 21:23).
Rizpah’s vigil (21:10-14)
The exposure of the bodies was itself an extraordinary exception to the law of Deuteronomy 21:22-23, which prescribed burial before nightfall so that ‘the land’ would not be ‘desecrated’. The reason for this was that ‘the land’ was God’s inheritance and leaving a dead body unburied was literally and symbolically to pollute that which God had given. The curse upon the executed evildoer was not to be transferred to ‘the land’. In this case, the opposite was the case. It was ‘the land’ which was already cursed. The executions were for the purpose of lifting that curse. Therefore the exposure of the bodies lasted not only overnight but from the harvest, which was in April, to the coming of rain, which might well have been the normal rainy season in October! That is, it lasted until that which guaranteed the next harvest, and marked the cessation of God’s judgement, was an accomplished fact.
Rizpah’s vigil spanned that period. She grieved over the sin that had taken her sons from her. She mourned until their remains could be buried properly. And in the meantime she prevented their corpses from becoming carrion for wild animals—surely a most remarkable instance of devotion to her sons (21:10). When David heard of this, he was moved to gather the bones of Saul and his sons and, with the remains of the seven, bury them in the tomb of their father Kish (21:11-14). This marked the definitive settlement of God’s controversy with Israel over the Gibeonite massacre. His grace once again blessed the crops of his people.
How on earth is Mark Noumair going to use this account to get us to remain loyal to the Organization?
To make his point, Mark must first get us to believe that Rizpah didn't understand why the bodies of her sons and grandchildren could not be buried. That is highly unlikely, but he has to get us to believe this because his whole analogy depends upon it. We must also assume that, as was the case then, any perceived injustices we might experience from the Organization really do have God's approval. If we obey, remain silent, and don't complain, but simply endure and set a good example, we will be rewarded by God.
Where is such logic to be found in Scripture? Imagine trying to get Elijah or Elisha or any of the prophets to buy into this gooey logic. 'Just keep enduring, Elijah. Yes, there is Baal worship going on, but Jehovah wants you to respect the men in command, and do what they tell you to do. Just be silent, remain loyal, and God will put it right in his own time, and give you a big, fat reward.'
Noumair says: "Rizpah's love and loyalty and endurance provides an example worth imitating. When you go through a trial, remember that others are observing your conduct...they're watching...and out of frustration, you might feel, 'Well, why haven't the elders done anything? Why aren't the overseers taking care of this situation? Jehovah, why don't you do something?' And Jehovah's saying, 'I am doing something. I'm using your silent example to show others that when you endure a situation, I will reward them. I will reward them more than they ever anticipated. And it will be worth the wait, because I, Jehovah, I love being a rewarder.' What a noble and honorable way to be used by Jehovah God."
What schlock!
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Comment by Psalmbee on 2017-12-09 19:34:01
Great article Meleti, very thorough thank you! The generation issue is somewhat still blurred. I have my own theory on that, as I'm sure everyone else does too. I was wondering if anyone knew what the qualifications or disqualifications were to be a "guest worker" for the Org.?
Reply by Meleti Vivlon on 2017-12-10 08:44:26
I had many theories, but I've finally resolved it for myself. See "This Generation" - A Fresh Look.
Reply by Psalmbee on 2017-12-10 12:04:02
Thanks for directing me to your Article Meleti! I must say I agree with your analysis. Referring to the article one thing we must always keep in mind is the fact that Jesus' Apostles and Disciples at that time were chewing on the spoken WORD of God in the flesh (Jn 1:14), and the written Scriptures we have today were not available to them.
Comment by Warp Speed on 2017-12-09 10:01:16
I noticed at about the 12 minute mark, Gerrit Losch says that " though very rare, due to depression, even some true Christains have taken their life".
He was talking about suicide. Sadly, some of these "true Christains" Losch is referencing are ex-JW's who could no longer deal with the Org's unloving policies any longer......
Comment by Jerome on 2017-12-09 08:37:18
Meleti,
Lately, I am finding out that I don't need to say very much to extricate my wife from the organization. Just watch the broadcasts and watch for the eyebrows to raise, then follow with a good scriptural discussion.
JeromeReply by katrina on 2017-12-10 05:50:23
Herd is a sandwich short of a picnic.
Reply by Leonardo Josephus on 2017-12-10 06:23:22
Jerome, about the same here. Play the bit about "touching" at the beginning and the suggestion that the generation teaching is some sort of new light, and we all fall over (I would say laughing, but it really is not a laughing matter, it is just so sad). I just wonder what the R & F think.
Had to review the Dragnet as well. The Jesus Way Truth and Life book contains less than the W 12/14 on Jesus illustrations, so most will probably not pick up the present teaching on this, namely that the preaching work is sorting people out into "suitable" - those who come in and stay in the containers (our congregations) and "unsuitable" - the rest. I think I have the latest understanding correct.
Comment by chrismall on 2017-12-09 09:09:28
Thank you Meleti
We watched this as a family and that last talk was disturbing, an awful bible account and the application preposterous.
My very much ‘In’ family where not taken with the reasoning at all , this really gives me hope.Reply by Warp Speed on 2017-12-09 10:48:20
Hi Chrismall,
One of my still "in" daughters is now starting to awaken due to JW Broadcasting. Isn't it amazing that there are really no "outside" sources needed in order to expose the nonsense ?! Just tune-in to their own official channel....
Comment by Warp Speed on 2017-12-09 09:30:54
I had to look up "schlock" in the dictionary. Yes, the contents of this Broadcast were indeed inferior goods trying to be pushed off on unsuspecting victims!
Just like Jerome said, the Org is making it very easy to "raise our eyebrows" with the latest nonsense it is airing on the Broadcast. Uncle Tony, Brother Sam, Cousin Ronnie
and Markie Mark are doing all the heavy lifting.....
Comment by MarthaMartha on 2017-12-09 10:19:31
Now I know what 'schlock' means, I agree that it's a good description of what went on in Mark Noumair's talk. He put words into silent Rizpah's mouth to work up a narrative that was more a figment of Mark's own imagination than the factual account of a few verses. I had eyebrows raised and mouth wide open in shock at the sheer audacity of the application.
( Now I know who is responsible for the proliferation of the over-emotional, fanciful descriptions of events in the literature.)
It reminds me of a market stall where those shoddy goods are being sold by a smooth talking salesman who razzle-dazzles you into buying into his fakery.
Think Del Boy and Rodney.
?Reply by Warp Speed on 2017-12-09 10:53:14
Hello again Martha,
That's funny you mention who might be responsible for the inept teaching in WT articles. And I thought they were supposed to be anonymous so that the GB could get the "glory"....
Reply by Ludavid on 2017-12-09 11:22:23
Yes, Martha Martha, "Only Fools and Horses" , and of course WT. Del Boy and Rodney try to become millionaires through questionable get rich quick schemes and by buying and selling poor-quality and illegal goods.
WT doing the same thing in the spiritualy way.
Comment by Search-truth on 2017-12-09 10:41:57
Hi Meleti, great write up..It's a good possibility Herd was listening to a Madonna song..(like a Virgin) touched for the very 1st time...lol
Reply by Meleti Vivlon on 2017-12-09 15:52:21
:)
Comment by Warp Speed on 2017-12-09 11:13:55
I forgot to say thank you for another fine commentary about the Broadcast Meleti. Speaking of Commentaries, isn't it ironic that many times so-called "worldly" publications are way more accurate than the Org's?
Your inclusion of Welwyn's was refreshing. It really did help to set the stage for the account.
Comment by Leonardo Josephus on 2017-12-10 06:32:23
Great article, Meliti. I was struggling to understand what the bible account was all about, especially with what looks like two Mephibosheths hanging around, so I really appreciated the work you put into that, Meliti. Give yourself an extra two stars.
The comments on the verse are basically summarised with "put up or shut up or something similar".
Do I hear that snake in the Jungle Book calling out "trusssst in me"
Comment by Eleasar on 2017-12-10 09:25:16
Observations on broadcast
1. GB members are so normal. They laugh and joke and worry about aging.
2. Samuel Herd thinks the generation is so cleared up now compared to 20 years ago. Is he being sarcastic? If he means it the GB must be so out of touch.
3. Gerritt Losch thinks we can be happy all the time. That is why some Christians commit suicide. Were they overflowing with happiness and could not deal with it!
4. Gerritt Losch does not expound one single scripture. Not one!!! Looks like you can now not use the written word to give a talk. The GB have already sidelined the living Word and now don’t feel they have to use the written word of God.
5. If you listen to all his happinesses it is homespun nonsense with worldly sayings etc.
6. Usual focus on happiness in paradise blah, blah blah. How about mentioning we can get genuine happiness (makarios) if we choose to live in the Christ. The one true way of spiritual happiness is not even touched.
7. Mark Noumair beggars belief. It is such a basic exposition of the law and frankly wrong. They could have accessed a range of commentaries that would give explanations. But no! We must focus on know your place, obey, be loyal and wait on Jehovah.
There is definitely a famine for those living in the WT “ spiritual paradise”.
This food is so good, I am ranting!!!???Reply by Warp Speed on 2017-12-10 10:47:54
Hi Eleasar,
As far as rants go, yours is top-notch!
In all seriousness though, it really does seem to me (I could be wrong) that the GB is imploding in on itself. Even uber-indoctrinated Witnesses are starting to get that "something's amiss" feeling in their gut.
As I posted below, one of my daughters and even her husband are now starting to awaken from from the Org's spell- thanks to JW Broadcasting. I believe that it was a gamble for the GB to start filming their own "show".
It would seem that they are doing more to expose their own unique brand of craziness than so-called Apostates could ever dream of doing on their own...Reply by Robert-6512 on 2017-12-10 14:07:25
There is nothing that is carefully hidden that will not be revealed - Jesus.
And, brother, is it getting revealed ... bigly ...Reply by Warp Speed on 2017-12-10 14:35:56
And revealed by their own mouths.....
Reply by Psalmbee on 2017-12-10 11:15:05
I'm detecting their portrayal of insecurity (Ps 73:18) also (Is 30:12,13).
Comment by Robert-6512 on 2017-12-10 14:14:53
Wondered if anyone noticed the fancy suit and eye-catching TV studio in the photo. Reminded me of 1 John 2:16, that the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one's means of life (the way of life afforded to the GB, that is) does not originate with God but originates with the world.
Reply by Psalmbee on 2017-12-10 20:46:21
He doesn't look any different than the other wolves in sheep clothing televangelist that I have seen. Where's the distinction? He kind of looks like Benny Hinn standing there. Satan is the master of disguise and "prince of the air", transmitting loud and proud from Watchtower Studios around the globe, digitally enhanced.
Reply by Robert-6512 on 2017-12-10 21:43:46
Stumble someone? You mean, like, have a negative impact on contribution cash flow and accounts receivables?
Reply by wild olive on 2017-12-11 17:15:15
Funny you should mention his attire Brain, one night I couldn't sleep and I turned on the TV . I happened on a young minister dressed in jeans , a casual jacket with an open neck shirt with no tie. He had no notes , only a bible , and he gave a half hour sermon on love that to this day affects me profoundly , I was absolutely spellbound by his sincerity and command of Greek words and expressions, he finished the sermon and I was hoping for more but that was it, I sat for another hour in the dark with the TV off thinking how unbuilt I was from this young mans sermon, nothing like JWorg.
Comment by leaving_quietly on 2017-12-14 16:26:21
Of course, the appeal to an obscure OT account to make the point. But what happened in the first century?
Acts 6:1
"Now in those days when the disciples were increasing, the Greek-speaking Jews began complaining against the Hebrew-speaking Jews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution."
Did the apostles at the time just say, "wait on Jehovah"? Let's see:
Acts 6:2-6:
"So the Twelve called the multitude of the disciples together and said: “It is not right for us to leave the word of God to distribute food to tables. 3 So, brothers, select for yourselves seven reputable men from among you, full of spirit and wisdom, that we may appoint them over this necessary matter; 4 but we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.” 5 What they said was pleasing to the whole multitude, and they selected Stephen, a man full of faith and holy spirit, as well as Philip, Prochʹo·rus, Ni·caʹnor, Tiʹmon, Parʹme·nas, and Nic·o·laʹus, a proselyte of Antioch. 6 They brought them to the apostles, and after praying, they laid their hands on them."
The apostles TOOK ACTION! With what result?
Acts 6:7:
"Consequently, the word of God continued to spread, and the number of the disciples kept multiplying very much in Jerusalem; and a large crowd of priests began to be obedient to the faith."
Does the organization (and by that, I am referring specifically to it's leaders AND the elders in local congregations) reflect the attitude of the apostles? Or do they reflect the attitude of the Pharisees, of whom Christ said:
Matt 23:4:
"They bind up heavy loads and put them on the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger."
It is a very heavy load to "wait on Jehovah" for justice to be done INSIDE the congregation.
Comment by into the light on 2017-12-24 15:03:42
Consult our spirit medium @JW broadcasting to get the prescribed instructions on how to see reality - that's all I hear when watching the broadcasts.
Something I read recently sums it up nicely:
"[...] I still cannot fathom how the Jewish concepts of God became this "worry" and "fear" and "be concerned about your eternal life instead of the present" that it has become for others like Jehovah's Witnesses.
Jews are taught to question God as did Abraham. Wrestle with God as did Jacob (Israel). Plead your case with God as did Job. Argue to change God's mind about things as did Moses. And we live in the now, not tomorrow.
It's like these things don't mean anything to Jehovah's Witnesses. Aren't these examples from the "Old Testament" supposed to be imitated and followed? Weren't these men the most righteous among the Patriarchs and Job among the Gentiles? There's no fear in questioning, pleading, debating, and wrestling God. That is what real faithfulness is."