This is video number five in our series, “Saving Humanity.” Up to this point, we have demonstrated that there are two ways of viewing life and death. There is “alive” or “dead” as we believers see it, and, of course, this is the only view that atheists have. However, people of faith and understanding will recognize that what counts is how our Creator views life and death.
It is therefore possible to be dead, yet in God’s eyes, we live. “He is not the God of the dead [referring to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob] but of the living, for to Him all are alive.” Luke 20:38 BSB Or we can be alive, yet God sees us as dead. But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and allow the dead to bury their own dead.” Matthew 8:22 BSB
When you factor in the element of time, this really starts to make sense. To take the ultimate example, Jesus Christ died and was in the tomb for three days, yet he was alive to God, meaning that it was only a question of time before he was alive in every sense. Though men had killed him, they could do nothing to stop the Father from returning his son to life and more, of granting him immortality.
By His power God raised the Lord from the dead, and He will raise us also. 1 Cor 6:14 And “But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches.” Acts 2:24
Now, nothing can kill the son of God. Imagine the same thing for you and me, immortal life.
To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. Rev 3:21 BSB
This is what is being offered to us now. This means that even if you die or are killed as Jesus was, you merely go into a sleep-like state until the time for you to wake up. When you go to sleep each night, you do not die. You continue living and when you awaken in the morning, you still continue living. In a similar manner, when you die, you continue living and when you awaken in the resurrection, you still continue living. This is because as a child of God, you have already been given eternal life. This is why Paul told Timothy to “Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.” (1 Timothy 6:12 NIV)
But what of those who do not have this faith, who, for whatever reason, have not taken hold of eternal life? God’s love is manifest in that he has provided for a second resurrection, a resurrection to judgment.
Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. (John 5:28,29 BSB)
In this resurrection, humans are restored to life on earth but remain in a state of sin, and without faith in Christ, are still dead in God’s eyes. During the 1000-year reign of Christ, there will be provisions made for these resurrected ones by which they can exercise their free will and accept God as their Father through the redeeming power of Christ’s human life offered in their behalf; or, they can reject it. Their choice. They can choose life, or death.
It is all so binary. Two deaths, two lifes, two resurrections, and now two sets of eyes. Yes, to understand our salvation fully, we need to see things not with the eyes in our head but with eyes of faith. Indeed, as Christians, “We walk by faith, not by sight.” (2 Corinthians 5:7)
Without the eyesight that faith provides, we will look at the world and draw the wrong conclusion. An example of the conclusion that countless people have drawn can be demonstrated from this excerpt of an interview with the multi-talented Stephen Fry.
Stephen Fry is an atheist, yet here he is not challenging the existence of God, but rather takes the view that is there really were a God, he would have to be a moral monster. He believes that the misery and suffering that is being experienced by humankind is not our fault. Therefore, God must take the blame. Mind you, since he really doesn’t believe in God, one can’t help but wonder who is left to take the blame.
As I’ve said, Stephen Fry’s view is hardly unique, but is representative of a large and growing number of people in what is steadily becoming a post-Christian world. This view can influence us as well, if we are not vigilant. The critical thinking that we have used to escape from false religion must not be turned off ever. Sadly, many who have escaped false religion, have succumbed to the superficial logic of humanists, and lost all faith in God. Thus, they are blind to anything they cannot see with their physical eyes
They reason: if there really were a loving God, all knowing, all powerful, he would have ended the suffering of the world. Therefore, either he doesn’t exist, or he is, as Fry put it, stupid and evil.
Those who reason this way are very, very wrong, and to demonstrate why, let’s engage in a little thought experiment.
Let us put you in God’s place. You are now all-knowing, all-powerful. You see the suffering of the world and you want to fix it. You start with disease, but not just bone cancer in a child, but all disease. It’s a fairly easy fix for an all-powerful God. Just give humans an immune system capable of fighting off any virus or bacteria. However, foreign organisms are not the only cause for suffering and death. We all get old, grow decrepit, and eventually died of old age even if we are free of disease. So, to end suffering you will have to end the aging process and death. You will have to extend life eternally to truly end pain and suffering.
But that brings with it, its own problems, because men are often the architects of mankind’s greatest suffering. Men are polluting the earth. Men are exterminating the animals and wiping out huge tracts of vegetation, affecting the climate. Men cause wars and the death of millions. There is the misery caused by poverty resulting from our economic systems. On the local level, there are murders and muggings. There is the abuse of children and the weak—domestic abuse. If you’re truly going to eliminate the misery, pain, and suffering of the world as God Almighty, you have to eliminate all of this as well.
This is where things get dicey. Do you kill everyone who causes pain and suffering of any kind? Or, if you don’t want to kill anyone, you could just reach into their mind and make it so that they cannot do anything wrong? That way no one has to die. You could solve all of mankind’s problems by turning people into biological robots, programmed to do only good and moral things.
It is so easy to play the armchair quarterback until they actually put you in the game. I can tell you from my study of the Bible that not only does God want to end the suffering, but that he has been actively engaged in doing so since the very beginning. However, the quick fix that so many people want will simply not be the solution they need. God cannot remove our free will because we are his children, made in his image. A loving father does not want robots for children, but individuals who are guided by a keen moral sense and wise self-determination. To achieve the end of suffering while preserving our free will presents us with a problem that only God can solve. The rest of the videos in this series will examine that solution.
Along the way, we’re going to encounter some things which viewed superficially or more accurately viewed physically without the eyes of faith will seem to be indefensible atrocities. For example, we will ask ourselves: “How could a loving God destroy the entire world of Mankind, including young children, drowning them in the flood of Noah’s day? Why would a just God burn up the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah without even giving them a chance to repent? Why did God order the genocide of the inhabitants of the land of Canaan? Why would God kill 70,000 of his own people because the King took a census of the nation? How can we consider the Almighty to be a loving and just Father when we learn that to punish David and Bathsheba for their sin, he killed their innocent newborn child?
These questions need to be answered if we are going to build our faith on solid ground. However, are we asking these questions based on a faulty premise? Let us take what might seem the most indefensible of these questions: the death of David and Bathsheba’s child. David and Bathsheba also died much later, but they died. In fact, so that everyone of that generation, and for that matter every generation that followed up to the present one. So why are we concerned about the death of one baby, and not the death of billions of humans? Is it because we have the idea that the baby was deprived of the normal lifespan everyone has a right to? Do we believe that everyone has a right to die a natural death? From where do we get the idea that any human death can be considered natural?
The average dog lives between 12 to 14 years of age; Cats, 12 to 18; among the longest-lived animals is the Bowhead Whale who lives over 200 years, but all animals die. That is their nature. That is what it means to die a natural death. An evolutionist will consider a man to be just another animal with a lifespan well under a century on average, though modern medicine has managed to push it upwards a little. Still, he naturally dies when evolution has got from him what it looks for: procreation. After he can no longer procreate, evolution is done with him.
However, according to the Bible, humans are much more than animals. being made in God’s image and as such are considered God’s children. As children of God, we inherit everlasting life. So, the lifespan of humans currently is, according to the Bible, anything but natural. Given that, we must conclude that we die because we were condemned to die by God due to the original sin which we have all inherited
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23 BSB
So, rather than worry about the death of one innocent baby, we should be concerned about what it means that God has condemned all of us, billions of us, to death. Does that seem fair given that none of us chose to be born as sinners? I daresay that if given the choice, most of us would gladly choose to be born without sinful inclinations.
One fellow, someone who commented on the YouTube channel, seemed eager to find fault with God. He asked me what I thought of God that would drown a baby. (I’m assuming he was referring to the flood of Noah’s day.) It seemed like a loaded question, so I decided to test out his agenda. Instead of answering directly, I asked him if he believed that God could resurrect those who have died. He would not accept that as a premise. Now, given that this question assumes that God is the creator of all life, why would he reject the possibility that God could re-create life? Evidently, he wanted to reject any thing that would allow God to be exonerated. The resurrection hope does exactly that.
In our next video, we will get into many of the so-called “atrocities” that God has committed and learn that they are anything but that. For now, however, we need to establish a fundamental premise that changes the whole landscape. God is not a man with the limitations of a human. He has no such limitations. His power allows him to correct any wrong, undo any damage. To illustrate, if you are an atheist and are sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole, but are given the choice of execution by lethal injection, which would you choose? I think it is safe to say that most would prefer to live, even in those circumstances. But take that scenario and put it into the hands of a child of God. I can only speak for myself, but if I were given the opportunity to choose between spending the rest of my life in a cement box surrounded by some of the worst elements of human society, or immediately arriving in God’s kingdom, well, that wouldn’t be a hard choice at all. I see immediately, because I take God’s view that death is merely an unconscious state similar to sleep. The intervening time between my death and my awakening, whether it be a day or thousand years, would be for me instantaneous. In this situation the only viewpoint that matters is my own. Instantaneous entry into God’s kingdom versus a lifetime in prison, let’s get this execution going quickly.
For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22But if I go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. So what shall I choose? I do not know. 23I am torn between the two. I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better indeed. 24But it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. (Philippians 1:21-24 BSB)
We must look at everything that people point to in an effort to find fault with God – to accuse him of atrocities, genocide, and the death of the innocents – and view it with eyes of faith. Evolutionists and atheists scoff at this. To them the whole idea of human salvation is folly, because they cannot see with eyes of faith
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. (1 Corinthians 1:20-25 NIV)
Some might still argue, but why kill the baby? Sure, God can resurrect a baby in the New World and the child will never know the difference. He will have lost out on living during the time of David, but will live instead in the time of the Greater David, Jesus Christ, in a world far better than ancient Israel could ever have been. I was born in the middle of the last century, and I don’t regret having missed out on the 18th century or the 17th century. As a matter fact, given what I know about those centuries, I’m quite happy that I was born when and where I was. Still, the question hangs: why did Jehovah God kill the child?
The answer to that is more profound than you might initially think. In fact, we have to go to the first book of the Bible to lay the foundation, not only to answer that question, but for all of the others relating to the acts of God with regard to humankind throughout the centuries. We will start with Genesis 3:15 and work our way forward. We’ll make that the subject for our next video in this series.
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I am really wondering these days whether the “post christian era” we live in today with atheism so rampant with evolution following can be described as a lawlessness or a great rebellion against God, because it is world wide,they do not want to admit responsibility to God and do not want to give up their wickedness, acting like they are gods themselves in charge of their destiny and rights under the delusion of believing the lie of atheism and evolution and their wicked deceptive works over the love of truth.. Thus fulfilling 2 Thess 2:3-4,9-12″for it will not come until… Read more »
“But, that is consistent with the overall tone of Chronicles, which was written much later than Samuel and Kings were. The Chronicles have a more upbeat and positive view of Israel, since it was written around 460 BC for the benefit of the Jews that had come back from Babylonian exile.” This is exactly right, and this statement alone helps us to realize why there seems to be so many discrepancies between the account. Chronicles was written much later, AND the Jews had just come out of exile(so they probably weren’t feeling the greatest). Actually, Chronicles was one of the… Read more »
Your article asks, “Can We Blame God for Our Pain, Misery, and Suffering?” Of course we can. People do it all the time, and have done so for centuries. The real question is whether that blame is in any way justified. People who have faith in God and the Bible will usually say that since God is righteous and perfect, He can’t be blamed for anything. The Bible itself addresses this question in Job 40:2: “Should there be any contending of a faultfinder with the Almighty? Let the reprover of God himself answer it.” The scriptural position on this is… Read more »
This would be a fair explanation, one of which I had not previously considered, and the most probable, at least at this point. Still, some unknowns. David considered them, as discussed, “innocent sheep.”
If the dialogue (explanation) you gave is correct, and again, appears certainly plausible – one must wonder “why” these ones were viewed as “innocent” by David… and considered as “sheep?” The explanation would appear to contradict both of those things. But thus far… it is the most appropriate explanation I have heard yet… never having delve deep into this particular account.
Much to consider.
I believe the thoughts expressed by “Just Wondering” are perfectly valid, and have likely perplexed most Christians for centiries. However, I do challenge that anyone, despite their biblical experience and powerfully strong reasoning ability, legitimately and successfully explain the case involving the 70,000 killed. There are simply too many details absent the biblical text, to categorically and definively conclude something substantially final on the destruction of those 70,000 “innocent sheep.” The only thing I can state on this matter, as elementary as it may sound – is…. Jah does not know what it is like to be us… (If we… Read more »
Oh my. Two upvotes for a comment telling God that what He did is “inexcusable”? First of all, God does NOT have to know what if feels like to be a human to know right from wrong, good from evil. Second of all; He simply doesn’t know what it’s like to be us…..imperfect lowly humans You think so? I would have never thought about that! Ok, all sarcasm aside; of course God doesn’t know what it feels like to be a lowly, imperfect human. He couldn’t. That’s literally impossible for Him. To be subjected to the limitations of a fleshly… Read more »
You have done a lot of honest thinking – here is a short answer: Jehovah, because Almighty, absolutely carries full moral responsibility for all suffering and evil happening here on earth, and He owns it and has paid the full penalty for it with the life of the exact Representation of His very Being, which is why it is incumbent on us to accept Jesus as His reconciling apology, offered to us for the grief caused by His allowing evil into our world, and because it is our believing acceptance that is justifying Him. Job 2:3c; Ro 8:20; La 3:33;… Read more »
I don’t agree. The fault is ours. God had the option of never allowing us to live, or allowing us to live despite the suffering. I prefer the latter, because it gives us a chance at life and also the opportunity to sanctify God’s name.
Allowing creatures made in His image to experience and live out the consequences of their ‘alternative’ ethics seems helpful to all; it looks like there are two types of people in the world, those who believe God at His word, and those who need to see ‘alternatives’ demonstrated, even if it will cause suffering to them and those who believe. Would it be righteous to subject those who have decided to believe God’s word, to suffer the bad consequences of those who doubt His warning and want to go their own way? Deliberate, willful obedience to a generous and loving… Read more »
To sincerelyours and justwondering I love your zeal and your passion for the truth… I am just wondering would it be possible if either of you can write a short article about the truth from God‘s Word the Bible, just as when you were giving talks… I am sure that Eric would not mined and the rest of us would love to feel and see how much you love Jehovah and his son Christ Jesus. I have been baptised since the early 70s I am what they call PIMO… Physically and mentally out since 2015 and when I saw some… Read more »
Justwondering Just want to tell you that I have always enjoyed what you have written even though that some of them happen to be lengthy but nonetheless it makes a lot of sense. I truly do enjoy brief precise to the point articles… scriptures that makes Jehovah’s Witnesses think without lengthy explanations to them as our Lord Jesus Christ would use the phrase (what do you think). As an example of what I am saying… Does the holy spirit operates only on the governing body? As the Lord Jesus Christ would say what do you think? Did he not “say… Read more »
Dear James Mansoor, I know what I would write now. It would start like this: Have you ever been gifted with your favorite desert? Mine was my mom’s pineapple upside down cake. Imagine being so excited for that cake. Cannot wait for that first bite! So you cut the cake and much to your dismay, you find on the inside there are worms. Live, crawling worms. And you just cannot believe your eyes! Because you see, my mom is the best baker in the world!! She can bake anything! She would never let this happen. How is this even possible?… Read more »
Hi Folks, my name is Kari. I just recently left my congregation. My question is, if we are supposed to spread the good news, what is to prevent us from using the same means as the witnesses are currently using ie; letter writing and phone calls to our local communities. Is anyone doing this and if so, could you please take some time to talk with me about it. And if we as a whole are being recommended to not do this, may I have an understanding as to why we wouldn’t. I have so far sent only a brief… Read more »
You may have noticed that the WT ‘good news’ is about the kingdom that has been ruling the world since 1914 from heaven and that is ‘about to take full control of the whole earth’ – this is not the good news of the Bible, because it tells us that the incoming kingdom that will soon take over world rulership is from Satan, when he gives the 666 beast ‘authority over every nation.’ Re 13:2,7 Further, the WT teaches that only God’s kingdom can unite mankind under its rule, and that therefore when we experience this world unity it must… Read more »
I agree with Just Wondering. Wytz, will you reconsider your views and either correct them or remove them on your own?
This is not the forum for ‘vaccine talk’. By the way, our God-given immune system is imperfect based on Adam’s sin thus we can’t fight a novel virus.
Pretty simple actually….
Wytz All what I can say to you is follow Christ Jesus as the leader learn from his method of teaching, for example when he was shown a coin, and was asked to get involved in a political manoeuvre… What was his reply? Give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God.… He didn’t come to get involved in the political or commercial business of the world, he had a job to do and he asked us to remain in his teaching if we are truly his disciples. 2Timothy 2:4 No man serving as… Read more »
I feel that your point on vaccines in nothing more than just an example of what they push as ‘evidently true’ because they say so (?) When actually they have no right to say anything at all. I get it. When I asked should I be declaring good news, I was not referring to their good news. Just wondering gave me the advise to slow down and learn. Great advise. I have always felt responsible to Jesus and want to uphold my responsibilities. But learning right now is my responsibility. I see nothing coercive or demeaning in your post personally.… Read more »
Your last but one paragraph is rather off topic. Nevertheless, see the Rome Declaration as of September 28, “Crimes Against Humanity”. Frankie (firstname.lastname@example.org).
J’ai eu le même désir. On a été éduqué ainsi : partager ce que l’on considérait comme la “vérité”. Avant d’être excommuniée, j’ai parlé avec 2 ou 3 frères de certains points. Ils ne m’ont rien dit personnellement mais sont allés se plaindre aux anciens ce qui m’a été reprochée par ces mêmes anciens. Après mon excommunication, j’ai envoyé à tous les anciens de ma congrégation une longue lettre (17 pages) avec les points de divergences avec à l’appui tous les versets bibliques. J’ai envoyé aux anciens et à quelques amis intimes durant plusieurs mois des messages sur leurs études… Read more »
Kari, As a third generation, ex-elder (11 years) and current PIMO trying to figure out the best way to ‘fade’, I believe that the JW indoctrination is so strongly entrenched in the minds of the great majority (I was previously in that majority) that even showing them all the scriptures that disprove most of the GB teachings will not do anything except have them call you out as an apostate. Just watch/read the wording of the ‘spiritual food’ that they generate lately; it all comes down to what does the GB say. They have put themselves in the “seat of… Read more »
Yes it is, to me anyway, impossible NOT to see the truth of the ‘other sheep’ when one reads those chapters in context. The real issue is that it is near impossible to even bring up the possibility that the GB is wrong about anything especially these basic doctrinal matters without being accused of “lacking faith”, “being spiritually weak”, “listening to apostates lies” or “Do you think you know more that the GB?!?”. Although I am not sure about the exact meanings of the final ‘location’ (heaven/earth/combination) of the faithful followers of Jesus, we should be able to discuss the… Read more »
The parallel account (parable not prophecy) found in Luke 12 makes the application clear when it is taken along in context to all the other similar parables regarding being a ‘faithful slave’. The Minas, Talents, Virgins with lamps, Wheat and Weeds all have to do with how we ALL live up to our faith/baptism/spirit; ALL will be rewarded or punished based on the attitude and actions regarding what Jesus has given ALL of us.
The Scriptures do not show a narrow (only 8 men) application but a broader and more inclusive operation of spiritual responsibilities.
Thank you for your very thoughtful reply. I go through life never being afraid of man or beast for that matter. But what I’m getting here is that sometimes silence is more powerful. I would hate to be the one who stumbles a sister further simply because I felt the need to prove one thing. And that is Jesus’ job to reconcile all matters anyway. I was always known as approachable. If any of them should want to know, I will speak my truth then. Thank you for helping me see this. Agape’ Love to you brother.
Hi Kari. Just Wondering has left some very good advice. To this I would recommend listing the main issues and thoroughly research them one at a time. There is enough on the Internet to help get at the truth, and there are only a limited number of subjects. Yes, it is quite a lot of work, but if you put it in writing on your computer you can keep coming back to it until you are not only convinced in what you have found, but you can recall a lot of it when needs arise. 1914, shunning are two of… Read more »
Your reasoning, JW,is excellent. I enjoyed reading that. I wonder if Paul thought of that when he said that all scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for setting things straight. As you say, we do need explanations in order to set things straight, and they are not forthcoming on that occasion. There is clearly something that we do not know.
It all sounds a bit like the Government claim that “lessons will be learned”, but exactly what lesson if the explanation is missing ?
You raise excellent questions. As I said at the end of the video, I’ll be addressing this and other similar questions in the videos of this series.
Eric, this is such an important topic. I often wondered about the flood when everyone was killed including children. But just by reading this article alone it gave me a lot to think about. And I’m already seeing things a bit differently. I’m looking forward to your next article. Thank you.
Dear Just Wondering, we know exactly why the David’s son died. Let’s look at the verses 2 Samuel 12:14-15 in context. „13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan replied, “The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. 14 But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for a the Lord, the son born to you will die.” 15 After Nathan had gone home, the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill.” (2 Samuel 12:13-15, NIV). Verse 14 speaks of… Read more »
To this we might add all those who lost their lives as punishment for David taking a census as recorded at 2 Samuel 24. Only the resurrection resolves what happened there, but there was indeed a lot of pain for the families who lost their loved ones.
Yes dear Leonardo, because “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7, KJV). With respect to Isaiah 55:8-9 and 1 John 4:8. Agape, Frankie.
Very clear, Eric. If we reject the resurrection, we reject the answer. Simple. Just as we cannot criticise someone for not doing a job the way we think it should be done, if they have a better long term solution.
Il est vrai que la permission du mal par Dieu est une question douloureuse et que nous trouvons, à notre niveau, le temps long. Je ne doute pas que Dieu ait toutes les bonnes raisons pour avoir permis le mal. Je sais qu’il n’est absolument pas responsable. Les hommes peuvent faire autrement. C’est à leur portée de faire le bien. Néanmoins nous ne sommes que des hommes et je pense que Dieu ne nous en voudra pas si nous restons dans l’incompréhension et la douleur devant la permission du mal. Notre cœur, notre sensibilité ne peuvent la comprendre et l’accepter… Read more »
Excellent Brother Wilson!
I was wondering just yesterday when we would hear from you again.