We’re about to take a hard look at a very recent Morning Worship presentation delivered by Gary Breaux, a Helper to the Service Committee, working with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses at Watch Tower headquarters in Warwick, New York.
Gary Breaux, who is most definitely not my “bro,” is speaking on the theme, “Protect Yourself from Misinformation”.
The theme text for Gary’s discourse is Daniel 11:27.
Would you be surprised to learn that in a talk supposedly intended to help his audience learn how to protect themselves from misinformation, Gary Breaux is going to start off with a whopper of misinformation? See for yourself.
“The text for the day Daniel 11:27, The two kings will sit at one table speaking lies to each other….now let’s go back to our scripture at Daniel chapter 11. It is a fascinating chapter. Verses 27 and 28 is describing the time leading up to World War I. And there it says that the king of the North and the King of the South will sit at a table speaking lies. And that's exactly what happened. In the late 1800s, Germany, the King of the North, and Britain, the King of the South, told each other that they wanted peace. Well, the lies of both of these kings resulted in massive destruction and millions of deaths, and World War I and World War II later.”
I just finished stating that Gary is providing a whopper of misinformation by the way he presents and interprets this verse. Before going further, let’s do something Gary failed to do. We’ll start by reading the whole verse from the JW Bible:
“As regards these two kings, their heart will be inclined to do what is bad, and they will sit at one table speaking lies to each other. But nothing will succeed, because the end is yet for the time appointed.” (Daniel 11:27 NWT)
Gary tells us that these two kings, the king of the north and the king of the south, refer to Germany and Britain prior to the First World War. But he offers no proof for that statement. No proof whatsoever. Are we to believe him? Why? Why should we believe him?
How are we to protect ourselves from misinformation, from being lied to and misled, if we just take a man’s word for what a prophetic Bible verse means? Blindly trusting in men is a sure way to be misled by lies. Well, we’re simply not going to allow that to happen anymore. We’re going to do what the inhabitants of the ancient city of Beroea did when Paul first preached to them. They examined the scriptures to verify what he said. Remember the Beroeans?
Is there anything in Daniel chapter 11 or 12 to indicate that Daniel was talking about 19th century Germany and Britain? No, nothing at all. If fact, just three verses farther on in verses 30, 31, he uses terms such as “the sanctuary” (that is the temple in Jerusalem), “the Constant feature” (referring to the sacrificial offerings), and “the disgusting thing that causes desolation” (the very words Jesus used at Matthew 24:15 to describe the Roman legions that would destroy Jerusalem). In addition, Daniel 12:1 foretells of an unparalleled time of distress, or a great tribulation coming upon the Jews—Daniel’s people, not the people of Germany and Britain—just as Jesus said would happen in Matthew 24:21 and Mark 13:19.
Why would Gary misinform us about the identity of the two kings of Daniel 11:27? And what does that verse have to do with his theme about protecting ourselves from misinformation, anyway? It has nothing to do with it, but he is trying to convince you that everyone outside the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses is like those two kings. They’re all liars.
There’s something odd about this. Gary is speaking of two kings sitting together at a table. Gary is teaching his listeners that these two kings are Germany and Britain. He says that their lies caused the deaths of millions of people. So, we have two kings, sitting at a table, telling lies that hurt millions. What about other men who claim to be future kings sitting at one table and whose words affect the lives of millions?
If we want to protect ourselves from the misinformation coming from lying kings, present or future, we need to look at their methods. For example, the method a false prophet uses is fear. That’s how he gets you to obey him. He tries to instill fear in his followers so that they become dependent on him for their salvation. This is why Deuteronomy 18:22 tells us:
“When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.’” (Deuteronomy 18:22 NWT)
It would appear that Jehovah’s Witnesses are waking up to the reality that they’ve been misinformed for decades. Gary Breaux wants them to believe that everyone else is misinforming them, but not the Governing Body. He needs to keep Witnesses in fear, believing that their salvation depends on trusting the false prophetic word of the Governing Body. Since the generation of 1914 is no longer a credible means to predict the end, even with its silly reincarnation of an overlapping generation still on the books, Gary is resurrecting the old saw of 1 Thessalonians 5:3, “the cry of peace and security”. Let’s hear what he says:
“But the nations today are doing the very same thing, they're lying to one another, and they’re lying to their citizens. And in the near future, the world populus will be told a big lie from the table of the liars… what is the lie and how can we protect ourselves? Well, we go to the 1 Thessalonians, the apostle Paul talked about it, chapter 5 and verse 3… Whenever it is that they are saying peace and security, then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them. Now, the New English Bible renders this verse, While they are talking of peace and security, all at once, calamity is upon them. So when the attention of the humans is on the big lie, the hope for peace and security, destruction is going to strike them when they least expect it.”
This is indeed going to be a lie, and it will come from the table of the liars just as Gary says.
The organization has been using this verse for over fifty years to fuel the false expectation that a universal cry of peace and security will be a sign that Armageddon is about to burst forth. I recall the excitement in 1973, at the district convention when they released the 192-page book titled Peace and Security. It just fueled speculation that 1975 would see the end. The refrain was “Stay alive till ’75!”
And now, fifty years later, they are again resurrecting that false hope. This is the very misinformation that Gary is speaking about, though he wants you to believe it is true. Either you can blindly believe him and the Governing Body or you can do what the Beroeans of Paul’s day did.
“Immediately by night the brothers sent both Paul and Silas to Beroea. On arriving, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.” (Acts 17:10, 11)
Yes, you can examine the Scriptures to see whether these things that Gary Breaux and the Governing Body say are so.
Let’s start with the immediate context of 1 Thessalonians 5:3 to learn what Paul is talking about in this chapter:
Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 BSB)
If the Lord will come like a thief, how can there be a worldwide sign foretelling his arrival? Didn’t Jesus tell us that no one knows the day or hour? Yes, and he said more than that. He also referred to his coming as a thief in Matthew 24. Let’s read it:
“Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. “But know one thing: If the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into. On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it.” (Matthew 24:42-44 NWT)
How can his words be true, that he will come “at an hour that we do not think to be it”, if he is going to give us a sign in the form of a universal cry of peace and security just before he comes? “Hey everybody, I’m coming!” That makes no sense.
So, 1 Thessalonians 5:3 must be referring to something other than a worldwide cry of peace and security by the nations, a global sign, as it were.
Again, we turn to Scripture to find out what Paul was referring to and about whom he was speaking. If it is not the nations, then who is crying “peace and security” and in what context.
Remember, Paul was a Jew, so he would draw on Jewish history and language idioms, such as those that prophets like Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Micah used to describe the mindset of false prophets.
“They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is no peace.” (Jeremiah 6:14 ESV)
“Because they have led My people astray, saying, ‘Peace,’ when there is no peace, and whitewashing any flimsy wall that is built.” (Ezekiel 13:10 BSB)
“This is what the LORD says: “You false prophets are leading my people astray! You promise peace for those who give you food, but you declare war on those who refuse to feed you.” (Micah 3:5 NLT)
But about whom is Paul speaking in his letter to the Thessalonians?
But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night; and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet of our hope of salvation. (1 Thessalonians 5:4-8 BSB)
Isn’t it worthy of note that Paul metaphorically speaks of congregation leaders as those in darkness who also get drunk? This is similar to what Jesus says at Matthew 24:48, 49 about the evil slave who is a drunkard and beats his fellow slaves.
So here we can discern that Paul isn’t referring to the governments of the world who make the cry of “peace and security”. He’s referring to counterfeit Christians like the evil slave and false prophets.
With regard to false prophets, we know that they reassure their flock that by listening to them and obeying them, they will have peace and security.
This is essentially the playbook that Gary Breaux is following. He claims to be giving his listeners the means to protect themselves from misinformation and lies, but he’s actually gaslighting them. The two scriptural examples he’s provided, Daniel 11:27 and 1 Thessalonians 5:3, are nothing but misinformation and lies in the way he applies them.
To begin with, Daniel 11:27 doesn’t refer to Germany and Britain. There’s nothing in Scripture to support that wild interpretation. It’s an antitype—an antitype they’ve made up to support their flagging doctrine of a 1914 return of Christ as the King of God’s kingdom. (For more information on this, see the video “Learning to Fish”. I’ll put a link to it in the description of this video.) Likewise, 1 Thessalonians 5:3 doesn’t foretell a worldwide cry of “peace and security,” because that would constitute a sign that Jesus is about to arrive. There can be no such sign, because Jesus said that he’d come when we’d least expect it. (Matthew 24:22-24; Acts 1:6,7)
Now, if you’re a loyal Jehovah’s Witness, you may be willing to excuse the Governing Body’s false prophecies claiming that they’re just mistakes and everybody makes mistakes. But that isn’t what Gary himself wants you to do. He’ll explain how you should deal with misinformation using a math analogy. Here it is:
“It's of note that liars will often shroud or cover their lie in truths. A brief math fact can illustrate- we've talked about this recently. You recall that anything multiplied by zero ends up in zero, right? No matter how many numbers are multiplied, if there's a zero that's multiplied in that equation, it's going to end up in zero. The answer is always a zero. The tactic that Satan uses is to insert something valueless or false in otherwise true statements. See Satan is the zero. He's a giant zero. Anything that he is combined with will be valueless will be a zero. So look for the zero in any equation of statements that cancels out all the other truths.”
We’ve just seen how Gary Breaux has given you not one, but two lies, in the form of two made up prophetic applications in Daniel and Thessalonians intended to support the Governing Body’s teaching that the end is near. These are only the latest in a long series of failed predictions that go back over a hundred years. They’ve conditioned Jehovah’s Witnesses to excuse such failed predictions as merely the result of human error. “Everybody makes mistakes,” is the refrain we often hear.
But Gary has just nullified that argument. A single zero, a single false prediction, nullifies all the truth that a false prophet speaks to cover his tracks. Here’s what Jeremiah tells us about how Jehovah feels about false prophets. See if it doesn’t tally right down the line with what we know of the history of Jehovah’s Witnesses – remember they’re the ones claiming to be God’s appointed channel:
“These prophets are telling lies in my name. I did not send them or tell them to speak. I did not give them any messages. They prophesy of visions and revelations they have never seen or heard. They speak foolishness made up in their own lying hearts. Therefore, this is what the LORD says: I will punish these lying prophets, for they have spoken in my name even though I never sent them. (Jeremiah 14:14,15 NLT)
Examples of “foolishness made up in lying hearts” would be things like the “overlapping generation” doctrine or that the faithful and discreet slave consists only of the men on the Governing Body. “Telling lies in Jehovah’s name” would include the 1925 failed prediction that “millions now living would never die” or the 1975 fiasco that predicted Jesus’ Messianic Kingdom would begin after 6,000 years of human existence in 1975. I could go on for some time because we’re dealing with over a century of failed prophetic interpretation.
Jehovah says that he will punish lying prophets who speak in his name. This is why the claim of “peace and security” which these prophets proclaim to their flock will mean their destruction.
Gary Breaux is supposedly providing us with a means to protect ourselves from lies and misinformation, but in the end, his solution is to simply put blind trust in men. He explains how his listeners can protect themselves from lies by feeding them the biggest lie at all: That their salvation depends on trusting in men, specifically the men of the Governing Body. Why would this be a lie? Because it contradicts what Jehovah God, the God who cannot lie, tells us to do.
“Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.” (Psalm 146:3)
That is what the word of God tells you to do. Now listen to what the word of men like Gary Breaux tells you to do.
Now, in our day, there is another group of men that are sitting at one table, our governing body. They never lie or deceive us. We can have absolute trust in the governing body. They meet all the criteria that Jesus gave us to identify them by. We know exactly who Jesus is using to protect his people from the lies. We just must stay alert. And what table can we trust? The table surrounded by our future King's, the governing body.
So Gary Breaux is telling you that the way to protect yourself from being deceived by liars is to put “absolute trust in men”.
We can have absolute trust in the governing body. They never lie or deceive us.
Only a conman tells you that he’ll never lie to you nor deceive you. A man of God will speak with humility because he knows the truth that “Every man is a liar.” (Psalm 116:11 NWT) and that “…all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God…” (Romans 3:23 NWT)
Our Father, Jehovah God, tells us not to trust in princes, nor in men, for our salvation. Gary Breaux, speaking on behalf of the Governing Body, is contradicting a direct command to us from God. Contradicting God makes you a liar, and with that comes serious consequences. No one can say the opposite of what Jehovah God says and count himself as a trustworthy speaker of truth. God cannot lie. As for the Governing Body and their helpers, well, we’ve already found three lies in this short Morning Worship talk alone!
And Gary’s solution to protecting yourself from misinformation is to trust the Governing Body, the very providers of the misinformation you’re supposed to be protected from.
He started with Daniel 11:27 telling us about two kings who sat at one table and lied. He closes with another table, claiming, despite all the evidence to the contrary that the men sitting around this particular table will never lie nor deceive you.
And what table can we trust? The table surrounded by our future kings, the Governing Body.
Now, you may agree with Gary because you are willing to dismiss any misinformation that they dispense as just the result of human imperfection.
There are two problems with that excuse. The first is that any true disciple of Christ, any loyal worshipper of Jehovah God, will have no problem apologizing for any harm done because of his “mistake”. A true disciple displays a repentant attitude when he has sinned, lied, or harmed someone by word or deed. In fact, a true anointed child of God, which is what these men on the Governing Body claim to be, will go beyond a simple apology, beyond repentance, and make restitution for any harm done by a so-called “mistake”. But that isn’t the case with these men, is it?
We are not embarrassed about adjustments that are made, nor is an apology needed for not getting it exactly right previously.
But the other problem with excusing false prophets is that Gary just made it impossible to use the old, lame excuse that these are just mistakes. Listen closely.
Look for the zero in any equation of statements that cancels out all the other truths.
There you have it! The zero, the false statement, cancels out all the truth. The zero, the untruth, the lie, is where Satan inserts himself.
I’ll leave you with this. You now have the information you need to protect yourself from misinformation. Given that, how do you feel about Gary’s closing argument? Uplifted and reassured, or disgusted and repulsed.
Now, in our day, there is another group of men that are sitting at one table, our governing body. They never lie or deceive us. We can have absolute trust in the governing body. They meet all the criteria that Jesus gave us to identify them by. We know exactly who Jesus is using to protect his people from the lies. We just must stay alert. And what table can we trust? The table surrounded by our future King's, the governing body.
It’s time to make a decision, people. How will you protect yourself from misinformation and lies?
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Comment by arnon on 2024-04-29 08:25:11
So who are the kings of the south and the north? Do we know or not who they are? Does this chapter in the book of Daniel also refer to the present day or only to the days of Greek rule?
Reply by Leonardo Josephus on 2024-05-01 06:20:09
That is indeed the question, Arnon. Scholars seem to be able to follow the history quite well up to the middle of chapter 11. Some can go a little further when they apply verses to the times of the Maccabees, but the whole thing does look. as is claimed by many, to be history written after the event up to a point (whatever point that is in chapter 11). That could lead one to possibly conclude that part, even a large part, of the book of Daniel has been tampered with. That is not a comfortable conclusion to reach, as I am sure you would understand. The apocryphal books usually attached to the book of Daniel (namely Bel and the Dragon and Susannah and the Elders) seem so out of place with the scriptures that, however uncomfortable it is to say it, we must wonder whether the Book of Daniel is also a story. Of course, Jesus made some reference to Daniel when speaking about his return, a fact which is a bit awkward, although the writer gave a caution to use discernment.
I am definitely no scholar on this subject, so what I have written is only what I recall. The JW book on Daniel, however, only looks to me to be a feeble attempt to fit the events leading up to 1914 with the events recorded in the book of Daniel, simply because chapter 12 opens up with Michael standing up and is followed by a time of great trouble.
As to the answer to your question, the answer seems to be that we know who the two kings were , to a point, but I venture to say that the answer to your last question, may be - neither.
As I said, I am no scholar, neither have I done enough research to add anything else. So, I will be interested to hear the views of others. Happy to be corrected, as always.
I will say what I say, simply to get the discussion going. Join in if you will.Reply by Northernexposure on 2024-05-07 23:23:25
You make some good & valid points L J. Much to address here. I am also no scholar on this subject, yet who can we say is an authority, until a prophesy is fulfilled in some way? There are many interpretations made by supposedly scholarly men, yet we wait for the event. Yes the JWs have pulled the ends together in hopes of supporting 1914, however they have no actual historical record to support that year. According to actual historical records, the JWs 607 bc is 20 or so years early. You mention the possibility of part of the book of Daniel being tampered with... hmmm that is surely unsettling? I still wonder however if the Daniel prophesy could point to... not the particular year, but the "season" of the end as things seem to be occurring to indicate that? If you are interested in historic detail, I'd recommend the book(s)..."Apocalypse Delayed" by James Penton, or the "Gentile Times Reconsidered" by Carl Olof Jonsson.
I also am also happy to be corrected, and surely interested to learn.
Reply by Northernexposure on 2024-05-07 22:34:21
To arnon, and Leonardo Josephus ....Ah yes, Daniel, and the other prophetic OT books, and Revelation really depends upon who's interpretation you believe. After my years of research, I weigh in with the "pre millennial interpretation, as what current prominent Non Denominational teachers teach... however in no way do I consider myself knowledgeable, and prophesy isn't true until it happens.. We however do believe that Israel is still the center of Bible prophesy, because God's covenant with them that has not yet been fulfilled. They were scattered into the nations till the time of the end when they will be called back. (They did get a portion their land back in 1948, however that may only be the first step in the total fulfillment?)... Jer.30.3 What we see currently happening over in the middle East is certainly Biblical prophesy being fulfilled, tho too complex to explain here. The king of the north is most notably demonically led Russia.. Ez.38, 39...(Rosh), Persia (Iran) ...NK, China...etc... any one who opposes Israel. The king of the south is Israel, and anyone who sides with her.
I too am always open to differing interpretations of prophesy, but the JW's are not the only ones teaching the "end" times (could) be imminently upon us, yet we must wait and see.
Comment by Northernexposure on 2024-04-28 11:37:14
Wow. It just keeps getting worse. To me it's almost comedic waiting for their next claim, however there is nothing funny about it. . Each time they make an outrageous claim, and no one challenges them from within, they are more and more emboldened to push the envelope even further.
Well Done Meleti !
Comment by Leonardo Josephus on 2024-04-24 11:23:21
The light gets brighter !
What goes on in the minds of these men ? Do they ever question what they are saying. The more I have read the King of the North and King of the South account in Daniel, the more I feel that someone has been tampering with scripture, and that large parts of the book of Daniel, and who knows what else in the same book , were written after the events , possibly in the time of the Maccabees. Once we get past verse 18 of Daniel 11, where the NWT interpretation reads much the same as other commentators,, there is nothing that can be proved, and trying to get to grips with the verses Gary Breaux discussed seems to me to be a bit like interpreting Nostradamus, or, dare I say it, star signs. Total guesswork, an attempt to fit in with whatever seems to fit, Just as Eric Eric has pointed out with England and Germany. The GB should have learned its lesson on Daniel's writings, as officially they still cling on to their foolish interpretations of the 1260, 2300, 1290 days. And no doubt the 2520 days will eventually fall into that category. Time will tell.