Jehovah God then said to the woman: “What is this you have done?” (Genesis 3:13)
There may be more than one way to describe Eve's sin, but certainly one of them would be “touching that which she was not authorized to touch.” It was not a minor sin. All human suffering can be traced back to it. The scriptures are replete with examples of God's servants who fell into the same trap.
There's Saul's offering of the communion sacrifices:
He continued waiting for seven days until the designated time that Samuel had set, but Samuel did not come to Gilʹgal, and the people were scattering from him. Finally Saul said: “Bring to me the burnt sacrifice and the communion sacrifices.” And he offered up the burnt sacrifice. But as soon as he had finished offering up the burnt sacrifice, Samuel arrived. So Saul went out to meet him and bless him. Then Samuel said: “What have you done?” (1 Samuel 13:8-11)
There's Uzzah's grabbing hold of the ark:
But when they came to the threshing floor of Naʹcon, Uzʹzah thrust his hand out to the Ark of the true God and grabbed hold of it, for the cattle nearly upset it. At that Jehovah’s anger blazed against Uzʹzah, and the true God struck him down there for his irreverent act, and he died there beside the Ark of the true God. (2 Samuel 6:6, 7)
There's Uzziah's burning incense in the temple:
However, as soon as he was strong, his heart became haughty to his own ruin, and he acted unfaithfully against Jehovah his God by entering the temple of Jehovah to burn incense on the altar of incense. mmediately Az·a·riʹah the priest and 80 other courageous priests of Jehovah went in after him. They confronted King Uz·ziʹah and said to him: “It is not proper for you, Uz·ziʹah, to burn incense to Jehovah! It is only the priests who should burn incense, for they are the descendants of Aaron, those who have been sanctified. Go out from the sanctuary, for you have acted unfaithfully and you will receive no glory from Jehovah God for this.” But Uz·ziʹah, who had a censer in his hand to burn incense, became enraged; and during his rage against the priests, leprosy broke out on his forehead in the presence of the priests in the house of Jehovah next to the altar of incense. (2 Chronicles 26:16-19)
What about today? Is there a way in which Jehovah's Witnesses are 'touching that which they are not authorized to touch'? Consider the following scripture:
Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. (Matthew 24:36)
Now, consider the following quote from the April 2018 study edition of the Watchtower:
Today, we have every reason to believe that the “great and very awe-inspiring” day of Jehovah is near. – w18 April pp. 20-24, par. 2.
To see what is meant by “near”, let's have a look at the January 15, 2014 Watchtower article entitled “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When?:
Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation. This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.—2 Pet. 3:13. (w14 1/15 pp. 27-31, par. 16.)
As you can see, "soon" means within the lifespan of people now alive, and as the article makes clear a sentence earlier, those people are 'advanced in years'. By this logic, we can calculate that we are quite close, and put an upper limit on how long this old world can last. But aren't we not supposed to know when the end is coming? Many Witnesses, including myself in times past, have offered the explanation that we do not presume to know the day and the hour, only that the end is very close. But a careful analysis of scripture shows that we cannot excuse ourselves so easily. Notice what Jesus said shortly before his ascension to heaven:
So when they had assembled, they asked him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction. (Acts 1:6, 7)
Notice that it is not just the exact date that is out of our jurisdiction, it's the knowledge of “times and seasons” that does not belong to us. Every guess, every calculation to determine the nearness of the end is an attempt to gain that which we are not authorized to have. Eve died for doing that. Uzzah died for doing that. Uzziah was stricken with leprosy for doing that.
William Barclay, in his Daily Study Bible, had this to say:
Matthew 24:36-41 do refer to the Second Coming; and they tell us certain most important truths. (i) They tell us that the hour of that event is known to God and to God alone. It is, therefore, clear that speculation regarding the time of the Second Coming is nothing less than blasphemy, for the man who so speculates is seeking to wrest from God secrets which belong to God alone. It is not any man's duty to speculate; it is his duty to prepare himself, and to watch. [Emphasis mine]
Blasphemy? Is it really that serious? To illustrate, suppose you were getting married and, for your own reasons, were keeping the date a secret. You say as much to your friends. Then one friend comes up to you and asks you to tell him the date. No, you reply, I'm keeping it a secret until the right time. “Come on” insists your friend, “tell me!” Over and over he insists. How would you feel? How long would it take for his impertinence go from mildly annoying to very annoying, to infuriating? Would his actions not be highly disrespectful of your wishes and your right to reveal the date when you see fit? If he kept on day after day and week after week, would the friendship survive?
But suppose it didn't stop there. Now he starts telling other people that you have, in fact, told him – and only him – the date, and that if they want to get into the feast, he and only he has been authorized by you to sell tickets. Time after time he sets dates, only to have them go by with no wedding. People get mad at you, thinking you're delaying unnecessarily. You lose friends over it. There are even some suicides related to the disappointment. But your erstwhile friend makes a tidy living off it.
Still wondering if it's really that serious?
But wait a second, what about the sign found at Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21? Did not Jesus give the sign precisely so we could know when the end was near? That's a fair question. Let's see how Luke's account starts out:
Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be, and what will be the sign when these things are to occur?” He said: “Look out that you are not misled, for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time is near.’1 Do not go after them. (Luke 21:7, 8)
Considering that Luke's account begins with a warning against following those whose message is 'the time is near', and toward the end of Matthew's account Jesus states that no one knows the day or the hour, it seems clear that the sign would not begin to be apparent decades (or even a century) before the end.
What about urgency? Doesn't thinking the end is close help us to stay alert? Not according to Jesus:
Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. “But know one thing: If the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into. On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it. (Matthew 24:42-44)
Note that he does not tell us to "keep on the watch" because the sign allows us to know the end is near, but rather, he tells us to keep on the watch because we don't know. And if it will come at a time we 'don't think to be it', then we cannot know it. The end could come at any time. The end may not come in our lifetime. Sincere Christians have been balancing those concepts for nearly two millenia. It's not easy, but it's the will of our Father. (Matthew 7:21)
God is not one to be mocked. If we repeatedly and unrepentantly attempt to “wrest from God secrets which belong to God alone”, or worse yet, fraudulently declare that we have already done so, what will we reap? Even if we, personally, refrain from making such declarations, will we be blessed for listening approvingly to those who presumptuously declare “the time is at hand”? Before it's our turn to hear the words "what have you done?", why don't we take the time to meditate on the question, “what will we do?”
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Comment by corrado on 2018-06-26 13:39:15
Thanks for the article, AndereStimme,
I want to share some thoughts that I have on this topic. Before all i'm italian and I ask forgiveness for my english.
Human beings are chronocentric, they believe that their life is special, and special events will happen in their lifespan. I do not want to judge the motives, but the eschatology is THE PROBLEM of Jehovah Witnesses. Eschatology is the fuel that keeps this cult in motion. I define JW a cult and it is sad for me, but at the end of the day I believed for more than 50 years that the end is near, at hand. Eschatologism is one characteristic of cults: is the main source of fear and anxiety, and fear, anxiety and guilt feelings are perfect tools for thoughts control. I could believe that C. T. Russell was in good faith in his efforts, but the later president as Rutherford, and component of the so call GB of JWs till today they should have considered the possibility of being in a wrong direction , in a cul de sac. But nonetheless stubbornly they uphold the idea that we are in the last days of last days. How long could they keep going on with senseless reasoning to uphold this doctrine that is not only unscriptural, but is senseless as well. When you play poker and you do not want to show the cards, you have to raise. But you can not do it indefinitely. I think the big problem when 8 and a half of million people will realise that they were mocked we will be spectator of something very very sad. Be ready.Reply by AndereStimme on 2018-06-26 14:38:10
Thanks Corrado. I like the poker analogy.
The imminence of the end is indispensable to JWs because to a large extent it is the lever that gets the brothers out of bed on Saturday mornings. I'm pretty sure that's why the generation-as-limiting-factor was resurrected; without it, the lever had lost much of its length.
Reply by jamesbrown on 2018-06-27 02:57:38
Christian Greek Scriptures always talks about the end has drawn near, I know we cannot put a date on it but, all the other religions do the same and my point is…………..?????????????
Reply by Alithia on 2018-06-27 07:00:20
The point, (one point anyway) is living life with the view that everything is pointless because the end may be in the next minute results in decisions being made that are short term and do not account for the future in any meaningful way resulting in harm to anyone who is caught up in the idea permeating there life. It causes a near desperation in people who become obsessed with the thought and it alters their personality from what it should be as a Christian busily getting on with their lives and the lives of their fammily and being of help to their fellow man where they can.
Reply by Leonardo Josephus on 2018-06-28 07:08:17
That is a wise observation, Alithia. It is so sad to reflect that our personalities and lives have been so affected by the view that the end is coming soon. There are some positives, such as we have come to know Jehovah and Jesus and the scriptures and understand more of them, but even a fair chunk of this is down to the efforts of this site, and our being prepared to go beyond just WT publications. However, the efforts of WT have gone some way to making us better persons, I suppose.
Reply by Alithia on 2018-06-28 07:45:06
Yes we have to think positive and count or blessings not how things could have been or should have been, this is a pointless and dispiriting exercise that has been played out before such as with Asaph thinking of the negatives, came to the erroneous conclusion for a while that the wicked prosper and thought his faith in God was a waste and detrimental to him.
I love Asaphs words at Psalms 73:13,14 where he says :surely in vain I have kept my heart pure and washed my hands in innocence; for I have been stricken all day long and chastened every morning.
I think many of us may feel that way at times, I know I do, at times I awake and feel very chastened. For all my sincere and strenuous efforts to please my God in the past decades only to realise in many important ways I have been sincerely wrong and my efforts could have been better directed.
Nevertheless I have come to the same conclusion as many here (LJ included) like Asaph that having a relationship with God and Jesus is not just some positives or a case of "at least" this or that, rather like the Psalmist says, there is nothing more valuable and we should be content in a way if we have nothing else on earth but our God!
Psalm 73:25 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
25 Whom have I in heaven but You?
And besides You, I desire nothing on earth.
To be completely honest though, I am not where Asaph got to eventually or so content as Asaph really, but I thought I should put it out there anyway! And I am working on it, I know I can get there, that is why I am here!
Reply by corrado on 2018-06-27 09:54:42
the reality dear JB is that the presence or coming (no difference despite what WTS is saying) of Christ already happened, during the first century. Christ is enthroned from 33 AD and the devil had his short period of time, exactly 37 years, and now he and his demons are in the abyss. Babylon The Great has already received her destruction (first century Jerusalem, in 70 AD) and the Great Tribulation has passed and lasted 5 months from easter 70 AD to September 70 AD as Revelation correctly stated. Thats why if you read from romans to Jude, all this part of the Greek Scriptures you easily understand that the first century Christians knew that the end was near, just around the corner. What the future is holding for humankind? Revelation 20-22 is something that is still waiting to be fulfilled. More infos? In few weeks, probably by September a book entitled "Revelation" will be published in english and available as ebook and soft cover on amazon, lulu press, etc.
Reply by Alithia on 2018-06-28 04:41:08
Interesting collage of dates here corrado, nothing derived or related to pyramids I hope!
Reply by corrado on 2018-06-29 09:41:41
Don’t worry alithia, no pyramids no types and anti types, just respect for the Bible and its internal harmony
Comment by Leonardo Josephus on 2018-06-26 13:45:23
What an excellently balanced and yet simple article. Thank you AS. When this sort of subject is discussed so well, it feels like spiritual food. Not contrived, trying to make meanings out of things that are not there.
And it is easy to remember. I really appreciated the line of reasoning around “ It does not belong to you to know the times and seasons” (Acts 1:7), and Barclays comment, plus your reasoning. Well done.Reply by AndereStimme on 2018-06-29 13:27:49
Thanks LJ. I think the advantage of this argument is that it centers on the cause of the problem and avoids getting bogged down in symptoms. Once we establish that we shouldn't be making these calculations, the specific details of the calculations become irrelevant.
Comment by Alithia on 2018-06-27 06:51:56
I just want to add a bit on the end times thing that really should be left alone like the forbidden fruit, and of the subsequent disasters that broadcasts from Heaven in a voice that should resound around the universe, the question is to the ORG what have you done???!!!!
I have cut and paste from the Harp of God book printed in 1921 from pages 224 under the sub heading Jesus return when.
The reasoning is so arrogant and dismissive of what scripture actually says and the interpretation one that strains to the limits to give it the meaning the writer (Judge Rutherford) wants to. See below, how the writer arrogantly determines what Jesus said and really meant and actually contradicts Jesus words to fit his interpretation that was of course wrong, again and similar ideas wrong again and again.
An expert in communication, specialising as to why communication fails so often, in a number of truisms once said, "Nobody knows better what you meant by what you said than the person who listened to you, telling you what you said and supposed to of meant".
101 error in communication! One needs to listen carefully and weigh what one listens to and not be hasty in arbitrarily deciding what was said and what was meant. See an example of this below from the 1921 Harp of God book.
887 The time of the Lord's second appearing is of great
importance to all, and Christians, since the days of the
apostles, have been watching for some evidence of his
presence and asking the question, When will the Lord
appear? While those who love the Lord discuss the important
question, some have answered saying, 'The Lord
is liable to come any moment. He may come tonight.'
Still others who fear his coming and who do not desire to see him say: 'No
one can possibly know the time. Why, therefore, should
wee spend his time in discussing the question?'
888 The last-named class, in support of their contention,
cite the words of Jesus when he said: "But of
that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels
of heaven, but my Father only". (Matthew 24:36) It
is assumed because he used these words that no one
would ever know except Jehovah. We should remember
that Jesus spoke those words while he was yet a man,
on the earth. He had not been glorified then. He did
not say that no one would ever know of the hour od
the day of his coming. If we conclude from these
that no man would ever know, we might as well
that Jesus would never know, because he
time that only the Father knew. Paraphrasing his words
we note he said this :'The day of my
now knows except my Father. Neither rnm nor an
OUT Lord's
228 The Harp of God
Jesus that if they are watching the things which the
Lord told them to watch, the day of the Lord will not
come upon them unawares, but they will mark the fulfillment
of prophecy, and in the light of its fulfillment they
will discern the time of the presence of the great King.
Furthermore he says to them: "Ye are all the children
of light, and the children of the day; we are not of the
night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do '
others; but let us watch and be sober."-1 Thes. 5 : 5,6. ,
amwe shall find that Jesus gave much evidence which I
enables the watcher to determine the Lord's presence.
Comment by JackSprat on 2018-06-27 08:50:09
Ding dong the bell has rung
This is what C.T. Russell said in introducing "The Time is at hand"
The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great thousand-year Days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great Seventh Day, the thousand years of Christ’s Reign, began in 1873. The events of these 43 years, which this Volume claims as the beginning of the Millennium, we still find fully corroborating Bible prophecies, as herein set forth. During these 43 years, nearly all the inventions of our day have been accomplished. The sewing machine, one of the first, began to reach its perfection 43 years ago. Since then, we have all kinds of farming machinery and tools, and workshop, store, factory and home conveniences, in abundance and cheap—through human invention. These are shortening the hours of labor, and doing away with the “sweat of face,” which the Bible declares to be identified with the curse.
It is entirely safe to say that in these 43 years the world has increased its riches one thousandfold. And when we remember that behind the 43 years lies a total of six thousand years of human endeavor, it seems almost a miracle that the world should accomplish one thousand times more in the past 43 years than in the six thousand years preceding. Surely this well attests the claim of this Volume that we have entered the great Seventh Day, and that what we are already experiencing as a race are only the foregleams of the much greater blessings still to come.
and his Chronology.
FROM THE CREATION OF ADAM
To the end of the flood 1656 years
Thence to the covenant with Abraham 427 ”
Thence to the Exodus and the giving of the Law 430 ”
Thence to the division of Canaan 46 ”
The period of the Judges 450 ”
The period of the Kings 513 ”
The period of the desolation 70 ”
Thence to A.D. 1 536 ”
Thence to A.D. 1873 1872 ”
Total 6000 years
Hummm so what about 1975
Comment by Maria on 2018-06-28 13:23:13
Alithia:
Habakkuk 3:17-19
17Though the fig tree should not blossom,
nor fruit be on the vines,
the produce of the olive fail
and the fields yield no food,
the flock be cut off from the fold
and there be no herd in the stalls,
18yet I will rejoice in the LORD;
I will take joy in the God of my salvation.
19GOD, the Lord, is my strength;
he makes my feet like the deer’s;
he makes me tread on my high places.
Love these encouraging verses too
Kind regards,
Maria
Comment by Psalmbee on 2018-06-28 22:34:57
How do you reconcile Luke 21:31 with the point that you are trying to make?, which is we should not know anything at all basically. When I read that scripture I see the end as being near, or should I be ignoring that one?
Reply by AndereStimme on 2018-06-29 13:22:46
Hi Psalmbee,
First, from a strictly practical viewpoint, my basic overall framework is that clear and unambiguous scriptures trump unclear scriptures. Jesus' statements with regard to knowledge of times and seasons not belonging to us, the end coming at a time we don't think to be it and not following those who say 'the end is near' are as clear as they can be. On the other hand, no one is quite sure how to interpret the sign spoken of in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Thoughtful people read those chapters and come to very different conclusions, as you can see right here (compare corrado's take above with mine below).
To address your question more directly, the only way I can reconcile Jesus' condemnation of end-times calculations (and declarations) with Luke 21:31 is to define "near", in this context, as very near indeed. When I see signs in the heavens and the Son of Man coming on the clouds, I have no problem saying the Kingdom is near. At that point it will practically be upon us. But that's far different from calculating that the Kingdom was established in heaven on a certain day of a certain year, and then preaching for over a century that the end is right around the corner.Reply by Psalmbee on 2018-06-29 19:20:19
Hi AndereStimme,
TY, for the satisfactory reply,I'm all too familiar with their calculations and prophetic proclamations, to be fair they haven't been at it all that long when you really think about it. It may seem so to us because we have known it all our short lives. Kinda makes me wonder!
I would like to point out, that The Kingdom of God being near mentioned in Lu 21:31,
doesn't necessarily mean that the End automatically comes with it, compare (1Co 15:51,52). We need to keep in mind the difference of the two events.
Reply by Alithia on 2018-06-30 05:38:07
Andere is right, we have to have an understanding that is harmonious and coherent with the entire scriptures and what the scriptures reveal in a plain easy to understand manner as the basis and a foundation to build on.
With regards to Luke 21:31 in question, we should remember that the disciples asked a two fold question and so there was information around two major events that were central to what Jesus spoke often about and in much detail that would be of interest and concern for the disciples.
Jesus also ruled out many major events that could be misconstrued as having any significance with regard to his return. Such as wars, famines, pestilence etc, these things would occur, however until his return they should be regarded no more
than business as usual. What had been occurring prior to Jesus and from time immemorial and up until Jesus returns to put an end to these things.
1. The destruction of Jerusalem and then the only other major event after this that has any spiritual significance or any relation to how Jesus answered his disciples is to be; 2. Jesus visible return.
The story of the fig tree fits in very well with many of Jesus stories of a King who rented a vineyard and sent his son to collect his dues yet they killed the Heir. In turn the King took revenge on the wicked cultivators of the vineyard, there is also other parables of there being punishment for the perpetrators of the death of God's son Jesus.
So when Jesus spoke about the blossoming fig tree giving advance notice of what would undeniably come (Summer) the destruction of Jerusalem, the the disciples would remember Jesus words to flee to the mountains to avoid destruction along with the city.
The bit about the Kingdom being near Jesus many times with reference to himself as the Vice Regent of the Kingdom in person, e.g. in the following ways, "the kingdom is at hand, the kingdom is in your midst" etc.
So why would it be a stretch, to think other than that when the disciples see the "fig tree blossom" that Jesus was "near" in the sense that Jesus, the King of the Kingdom, his words were being fulfilled. The disciples were experiencing his protection and of him shepherding them to the safety of the mountainous areas.
There could not be a better way for Jesus to describe his association to the events of Jerusalem's destruction. In this way he was emphasising that it would not be some random event that could be construed in any other way. This event much later after his return to heaven would bolster their faith.
Cannot see any double fulfillment here with out allowing ones thinking to be affected by preconceived ideas about what Jesus was talking about.
Comment by corrado on 2018-06-29 09:25:23
One of the main difficulties in reading and try to understanding the Bible is the duplicity bias. What’s this? Psalmbee ask about the meaning of Luke 21:31, how to understand this scripture today. The problem is “today “. Why should we be convinced that the scripture will have a double fulfillment? Why should we cherry pick this scripture as a reference for a double fulfillment and forsake others? How could Christ referred to a kingdom “near” to them while we are 2000 years after still waiting, still hearing it is “near”? Isn’t logical and sound realizing that kingdom was near for the listeners, and they were resurrected few years after, becoming part of that kingdom?
Reply by Psalmbee on 2018-06-29 21:26:28
Hi Corrado,
One of your questions was:The problem is “today". Why should we be convinced that the
scripture will have a double fulfillment?
I can tell you how I feel about it, Today we have the written Word of God, and the power of the Holy Spirit to enable us to "hear" Jesus' words. During his time on Earth the Apostles and others had the benefit of listening to the Spoken Word of God (NT) as it was being spoken from the tongue of God thru Jesus. The Holy Scriptures (NT) and (OT) are for our benefit today, as they (NT) had not yet became available while the Word was being spoken. Faith in the Word of God is all we have.
Comment by Dajo on 2018-06-30 07:53:49
Thanks for the article AndersT.
A lot of pondering that makes sense out of a much debated topic. Alithias thoughts added even more flesh to a meaty subject and I feel settled regarding this “thing” that has been grasped when it shouldn’t have been. We can see the result of “what they have done” as more become aware of it.
Really enjoyed all of the comments here!
Comment by Bernardbooks on 2018-06-30 12:57:13
One of my Bible cross references list these scriptures together. I thought it was interesting because I’ve never seen any watchtower publication make any connection between them before.
(Daniel 8:13,14,17)
Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, “How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?” He said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored.”
So he came near to where I was standing, and when he came I was frightened and fell on my face; but he said to me, “Son of man, understand that the vision pertains to the time of the end.”
(Luke 21:24)
Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
(Revelation 11:1,2)
Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, “Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.Reply by Search-truth on 2018-07-02 19:19:36
gracefulbranches, thank you very much for your explanation. What caught my attention was the scripture in Rev 11:1,2 because it very much reminded me of what Russell did being obsessed with pyramidology.. Maybe He thought that scripture applied to him when measuring the pyramid of Geeza, the pyramid being God's temple and some sort of measuring stick as the Rod..Just a thought..lol
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Comment by wild olive on 2018-07-02 03:48:48
Thank you Andre for the great logic and counsel on this article.
I would have to agree with William Barclays assessment of trying to interpret Jesus coming, and to just highlight what a blasphemy it is, I offer the following.
A study done by a British statesman by the name of Sir John Bagot Glubb,showed how all empires go through 6 stages, these are.
1) pioneering
2)conquest
2)commerce
4)affluence
5)intellect
6)decadence
This pattern is repeated no matter which world power or empire you look at, from Greek, Roman, Moors, Mongols, you name this pattern holds.
At this time the western world is at stage 6 . This stage is characterised by
1) an undisciplined and over stretched military.
2)devalued currency
3) massive disparity between the rich and the poor.
4)conspicuous displays of wealth.
5) a desire to live off a bloated state.
6) obsession with sex and confusion of gender
7)obsession with celebrities, sports, entertainment, even glorifying their chefs and pets.
Does any of this sound familiar?
What we are seeing now has happened many times before, we do not live in some special marked time, I think it was Lord Byron who said history is but one page, considering the facts I would say he was right.
So too say that somehow this repeating historical pattern of human greed, avirace and corruption, is somehow connected in 1914 supposedly when Jesus did something, is nothing short of a blasphemous insult .