Muvhidhiyo yekupedzisira, takaona kuti Dare Rinodzora reZvapupu zvaJehovha rakamonyanisa sei zvinorehwa naMateu 18: 15-17 mukuyedza kuita kuti iite senge inotsigira hurongwa hwavo hwekutonga, hwakavakirwa pahurongwa hwechiFarisi nechirango chayo chekupedzisira chekuramba. , inova rudzi rwekufa kwevanhu, kunyange zvazvo dzimwe nguva ichiendesa vanhu kurufu chairwo.

Mubvunzo unoramba uripo, Jesu airevei paakataura mashoko akanyorwa pana Mateu 18:15-17 ? Akanga achitanga gadziriro itsva yokutonga here? Akanga achiudza vateereri vake kuti vaifanira kudzivisa munhu upi noupi anotadza here? Tingaziva sei zvechokwadi? Tinofanira here kuvimba nevarume kuti vatiudze zvinodiwa naJesu kuti tiite?

Imwe nguva yapfuura, ndakagadzira vhidhiyo yakanzi "Kudzidza kune Hove." Kwaibva pachirevo chokuti: “Ipa munhu hove uye uchamupa zvokudya kwezuva rimwe chete. Dzidzisa munhu kubata hove uye unomudyisa kweupenyu hwose.”

Vhidhiyo iyoyo yakatanga nzira yokudzidza nayo Bhaibheri inonzi exegesis. Kudzidza nezve exegesis kwaive kutumwa naMwari kwechokwadi kwandiri, nekuti kwakandisunungura kubva pakutsamira pakududzira kwevatungamiriri vezvitendero. Sezvo makore akafamba, ndakasvika pakunatsa manzwisisiro angu ehunyanzvi hwechidzidzo cheexegetical. Kana shoko iri riri idzva kwauri, rinongoreva kunzvera Magwaro kunotsoropodza kuti ubudise chokwadi charo, panzvimbo pokuisa murangariro wedu timene nokurerekera kwazvino uno paShoko raMwari.

Naizvozvo zvino ngatishandisei mitoo yokufananidzira kufundo yedu yemirayiridzo yaJesu kwatiri iri pana Mateo 18:15-17 iyo zvinyorwa zveWatch Tower Society zvinorasa chose chose kutsigira dzidziso yavo yokudzinga nemiitiro.

Ndichariverenga semashandurirwo anoitwa muShanduro yeNyika Itsva, asi usazvinetse, tinenge tichitarisa shanduro dzeBhaibheri dzakawanda tisati tapedza.

"Uyezve, kana wako hanzvadzi konama anoita a chivi, enda unomuzivisa mhosva yake pakati pako naye muri moga. Kana ikakunzwa, wawana hama yako; Asi kana asinganzwi, tora mumwe kana vaviri newe, kuti papupurire vaviri kana vatatu zvapupu nyaya dzose dzisimbiswe. Kana akasavateerera, taura navo ungano. Kana asingateereri kunyange ungano, ngaave kwauri sea munhu wendudzi uye as muteresi.” ( Mateu 18:15-17 )

Unozoona kuti tadonhedza mamwe mazwi. Sei? Nokuti tisati tatanga kunzwisisa zvinorehwa nendima ipi neipi yeBhaibheri, tinofanira kunzwisisa mashoko anoshandiswa. Kana manzwisisiro edu ezvinoreva izwi kana izwi asina kunaka, saka tinosungirwa kuti tiite mhedziso isiri iyo.

Kunyange vashanduri veBhaibheri vane mhosva yokuita izvi. Somuenzaniso, kana ukaenda pa<em>biblehub.com wotarisa mashandurirwo anoitwa ndima 17 neshanduro dzakawanda, uchaona kuti dzinenge dzose dzinoshandisa shoko rokuti “chechi” panoshandiswa Shanduro yeNyika Itsva kuti “ungano.” Dambudziko rinokonzeresa nderekuti mazuvano, kana uchiti “chechi,” vanhu vanobva vangofunga kuti uri kutaura nezvechitendero chakati kana nzvimbo kana chivakwa.

Kunyange kushandisa kweShanduro yeNyika Itsva shoko rokuti “ungano” kunoparira chirevo chechimwe chimiro chechiremera chechechi, zvikurukuru muchimiro chedare ravakuru. Saka tinofanira kungwarira zvikuru kuti tisamhanyira kumhedziso. Uye hapana chikonzero chokuti tidaro sezvo iye zvino tava nematurusi akawanda anokosha eBhaibheri ari nyore nyore. Semuenzaniso, biblehub.com ine Interlinear inoburitsa kuti izwi muchiGiriki ndere ekklesia. Sekureva kwaStrong's Concordance, inowanikwawo kuburikidza newebhusaiti yebiblehub.com, izwi iri rinoreva gungano revatendi uye rinoshanda kunharaunda yevanhu vakadanwa kubva munyika naMwari.

Hedzino vhezheni mbiri dzinopa vhesi 17 pasina chirevo chezvinzvimbo zvechitendero kana kubatana.

“Asi kana akasavanzwa. udzai ungano, kana asinganzwi kereke, ngaave kwauri somuteresi uye somuhedheni. ( Mateu 18:17 Bhaibheri reChiAramaic muPlain English )

“Kana akafuratira zvapupu izvi. zviudze kuungano yavatendi. Kana akafuratirawo nharaunda, ita naye sezvaungaita muhedheni kana muteresi. ( Mateo 18:17 Shanduro yeSHOKO RAMWARI)

Saka Jesu paanoti tiise mutadzi pamberi peungano, haasi kureva kuti tinofanira kuendesa mutadzi kumuprista, mushumiri, kana chero chiremera chechitendero, sedare revakuru. Anoreva zvaanotaura, kuti tinofanira kuuyisa munhu akaita chivi pamberi peungano yose yevatendi. Chii chimwe chaaigona kureva?

Kana isu tichishandisa exegesis nemazvo, isu tichatsvaga zvino zvirevo zvinopa simbiso. Apo Pauro akanyorera vaKorinte pamusoro pomumwe wemitezo yavo yakanga ine chivi chakashata kwazvo zvokuti kunyange vahedheni vakagumburwa nacho, tsamba yake yakanyorerwa mutumbi wavakuru here? Yakanga yakanyorwa kuti maziso akavanzika chete? Aiwa, tsamba yacho yakanyorerwa ungano yose, uye kwakanga kuri kumitezo yeungano kubata nemamiriro acho ezvinhu seboka. Somuenzaniso, nyaya yokudzingiswa payakamuka pakati pevatendi vemamwe marudzi muGaratiya, Pauro nevamwe vakatumwa kuungano yaiva muJerusarema kuti vagadzirise nyaya yacho ( VaGaratiya 2:1-3 ).

Pauro akasangana chete nedare reVakuru muJerusarema here? Vaapostora nevarume vakuru chete ndivo vakabatanidzwa muchisarudzo chokupedzisira here? Kuti tipindure mibvunzo iyi, ngatitarisei nhoroondo iri muchikamu 15th chitsauko chaMabasa.

“Naizvozvo, ivo vakatumwa mberi naIshe ungano [ekklesia]vakagura neFenike neSamaria, vachirondedzera zvekutendeuka kwevahedheni; vakaitira hama dzose mufaro mukuru. Zvino vakati vasvika kuJerusarema, vakagamuchirwa nevakuru ungano [ekklesia], nevaapositori nevakuru vakarondedzerawo zvinhu zvose Mwari zvaakaita navo; ( Mabasa 15:3, 4 ) Young’s Literal Translation

“Ipapo zvakaonekwa zvakanaka kuvapostori navakuru pamwe chete navanhu vose ungano [ekklesia], vakasarudza varume pakati pavo kuti vatume kuAndiyoki naPauro naBhanabhasi…” (Mabasa 15:22, Bhaibheri Rinoera)

Zvino zvataita kuti Magwaro apindure mibvunzo iyi, tinoziva kuti mhinduro ndeyokuti ungano yose yakabatanidzwa mukubata nechinetso chevaJudha vaikurudzira vaJudha. Ava vaKristu vechiJudha vakanga vachiedza kushatisa ungano yakanga ichangobva kuumbwa paGaratia nokuomerera kuti vaKristu vadzokere kumabasa oMutemo waMosesi somutoo woruponeso.

Sezvatinofungisisa nezvokutangwa kweungano yechiKristu, tinonzwisisa kuti chikamu chinokosha choushumiri hwaJesu uye hwevaapostora chaiva chokubatanidza vaya vakadanwa naMwari, vaya vakazodzwa nomudzimu mutsvene.

Sokutaura kwakaita Petro: “Mumwe nomumwe wenyu anofanira kutendeuka pazvivi zvake, adzokere kuna Mwari, abhapatidzwe muzita raJesu Kristu, kuti mukanganwirwe zvivi. Ipapo uchagamuchira chipo choMweya Mutsvene. Chipikirwa ichi ndechenyu…—vose vakadanwa naJehovha Mwari wedu.” ( Mabasa 2:39 )

Uye Johane akati, “kwete kurudzi irworwo bedzi, asiwo nokuda kwavana vaMwari vakapararira, kuti avaunganidze pamwe chete nokuvaita vamwe. ( Johani 11:52 ) 

Sokunyora kwakaita Pauro gare gare, kuti: “Ndinonyorera kereke yaMwari iri muKorinte, imi makadanwa naMwari kuti muve vatsvene vake. Akakutsvenesai muna Kristu Jesu, sezvaakaitira vanhu vose kwose kwose vanodana kuzita raShe wedu Jesu Kristu. . . . ” ( 1 VaKorinde 1:2 New Living Translation )

Humwe humbowo hunoratidza kuti ekklesia Jesu anotaura nezvake anoumbwa nevadzidzi vake, ndiko kushandisa kwake shoko rokuti “hama.” Jesu anoti, “Uyezve, kana hama yako ikatadza…”

Ndiani aionekwa naJesu sehama. Zvakare, hatifungidzire, asi tinorega Bhaibheri richitsanangura izwi racho. Kunzvera parinowanika shoko rokuti “hama” kunopa mhinduro.

“Jesu achiri kutaura kuvanhu vazhinji, mai vake navanun’una vake vakamira panze, vachida kutaura naye. Mumwe akamuudza kuti, “Tarirai, mai venyu navanun’una venyu vamire panze, vanoda kutaura nemi. ( Mateo 12:46 Shanduro yeNyika Itsva )

“Asi Jesu akapindura akati, “Mai vangu ndiani, uye vanun’una vangu ndivanaani?” Achinongedzera kuvadzidzi vake akati, “Ava ndivo mai vangu navanun’una vangu. Nokuti ani naani anoita kuda kwaBaba vangu vari kudenga ndiye munun’una wangu nehanzvadzi yangu namai.” ( Mateo 12:47-50 BSB )

Tichidzokera kuongororo yedu yetsanangudzo yaMateo 18:17, izwi rinotevera ratinofanira kutsanangura nderokuti “chivi.” Chii chinoita chivi? Mundima iyi Jesu haatauri vadzidzi vake, asi anovazivisa zvinhu zvakadaro achishandisa vaapostora vake. Pauro anoudza vaGaratiya kuti:

“Zvino mabasa enyama ari pachena, anoti: upombwe, netsvina, novutere, nokunamata zvidhori, nouroyi, noruvengo, nokukakavara, negodo, nokufufutirwa nokutsamwa, nokukakavara, nokupesana, nokuparadzana, nokugodorana, nokudhakwa, nemitambo yokutamba, nezvimwe zvakadaro. Ndinokuyambirai, sezvandakambokuyambirai, kuti avo vanoita zvakadai havangagari nhaka youmambo hwaMwari. (VaGaratiya 5:19-21)

Ona kuti muapostora wacho anopedzisa nemashoko okuti “nezvinhu zvakadai.” Sei asingangozviperengera otipa yakazara uye inopedza rondedzero yezvivi sezvinoita chakavanzika chevakuru veJW bhuku? Ndiro bhuku ravo remutemo, rine zita rekuti, Fudza Boka raMwari. Inoenderera mberi kwemapeji nemapeji (nenzira yepamutemo yechiFarisi) ichitsanangura uye nekunatsa chinonzi chivi mukati meSangano reZvapupu zvaJehovha. Neiko Jesu asingaiti zvimwe chetezvo kupfurikidza navanyori vakafuridzirwa vaMagwaro echiKristu?

Haadaro nokuti tiri pasi pomurayiro waKristu, mutemo worudo. Tinotsvaka zvakanakisisa nokuda kwomumwe nomumwe wehama nehanzvadzi dzedu, angava ari iye ari kuita chivi, kana kuti ari kukanganiswa nacho. Zvitendero zvechiKristudhomu hazvinzwisisi mutemo (rudo) waMwari. Vamwe vaKristu—tsanga dzegorosi mumunda wemasora—vanonzwisisa rudo, asi mapoka echechi ezvitendero akavakwa muzita raKristu haanzwisisi. Kunzwisisa rudo rwaKristu kunoita kuti tizive kuti chivi chii, nekuti chivi chinopesana nerudo. Zviri nyore zvakadaro:

“Tarirai kukura kworudo rwatakaitirwa naBaba, kuti tinzi vana vaMwari….Munhu wose akaberekwa naMwari anoramba kuita chivi, nokuti mbeu yaMwari inogara maari; haangarambi achitadza, nokuti akaberekwa naMwari. Vana vaMwari vanosiyaniswa neizvi vana vadhiabhorosi: Ani naani asingaiti zvakarurama haazi waMwari, uyewo haazi munhu asingadi hama yake.” (1 Johani 3:1, 9, 10 BSB)

Kuda, saka, kuteerera Mwari nekuti Mwari rudo (1 Johane 4:8). Chivi kupotsa chiratidzo nekusateerera Mwari.

“Uye mumwe nomumwe anoda Baba anodawo vana vake. Tinoziva kuti tinoda vana vaMwari kana tichida Mwari uye tichiteerera mirayiro yake. ( 1 Johani 5:1-2 ) 

Asi shingirira! Jesu ari kutiudza here kuti kana mumwe wevatendi akaponda, kana kuti akabata mwana chibharo, chaanofanira kuita chete kutendeuka uye zvese zvakanaka? Tinogona kungokanganwira uye kukanganwa? Mupe kupasa mahara?

Ari kuti kana uchiziva kuti hama yako haina kungoita chitadzo chete, asi chivi chinoumba mhosva, kuti uende kwaari uri wega, woita kuti atendeuke, wosiya zvakadaro?

Tiri kumhanyira kumhedziso here? Ndiani akati kuregerera hama yako? Ndiani akataura chero chinhu pamusoro pekutendeuka? Hazvinakidze here kuti tingatsvedza sei kusvika kumagumo tisingatomboziva kuti tiri kuisa mazwi mumuromo maJesu. Ngatizvitarisei zvakare. Ndanyora mutsara wakakodzera:

“Uyezve, kana hama yako ikatadza, enda umuratidze mhosva yake muri moga. Kana akakuteerera, wawana hama yako. Asi kana akasateerera, tora mumwe kana vamwe vaviri newe, kuti kana papupurirwa nezvapupu zviviri kana zvitatu nyaya yose isimbiswe. Kana akasateerera kwavari, taurai neungano. Kana akasateerera kunyange kuungano, ngaave kwauri somunhu wemamwe marudzi uye somuteresi. ( Mateu 18:15-17 )

Hapana chinhu chiripo pakutendeuka nekuregerera. "Ah, chokwadi, asi zvinorehwa," unodaro. Hongu, asi handiyo iyo yakazara, handizvo here?

Mambo Dhavhidhi akaita upombwe naBhatishebha uye paakava nepamuviri, akarangana kuvanza. Apo ikoko kwakakundikana, iye ipapo akarangana kuti murume wake aurawe kuti agogona kumuroora ndokuvanza chivi chake. Natani akauya kwaari vari voga ndokuratidza chivi chake. Dhavhidhi akamuteerera. Akapfidza asi pane zvakazoitika. Akarangwa naMwari.

Jesu haasi kutipa nzira yekuvanza nayo zvivi zvakakura uye mhosva dzakaita sekubata chibharo uye kubata vana chibharo. Ari kutipa nzira yokuponesa nayo hama kana hanzvadzi yedu kuti isarasikirwa neupenyu. Kana vakatiteerera, vanofanira kuita zvinodiwa kuti vagadzirise zvinhu, izvo zvingasanganisira kuenda kuzviremera, mushumiri waMwari, uye kureurura mhosva uye kubvuma chirango chakadai sokuenda kujeri nokuda kwokubata mwana chibharo.

Jesu Kristu haasi kupa nzanga yechiKristu hwaro hwehurongwa hwekutonga. Israeri yaive nehurongwa hwekutonga nekuti vaive rudzi vaive nemirairo yavo. VaKristu havaumbi rudzi mupfungwa iyoyo. Tiri pasi pemitemo yenyika yatinogara. Ndiko kusaka VaRoma 13:1-7 yakanyorerwa isu.

Zvakanditorera nguva kuti ndizive izvi nokuti ndakanga ndichiri kupesvedzerwa nepfungwa dzandakanga ndadzidziswa nacho somumwe weZvapupu zvaJehovha. Ini ndaiziva hurongwa hwekutonga hweJWs hwakanga husina kunaka, asi ndanga ndichiri kufunga kuti Mateo 18:15-17 yaive hwaro hwehutongi hwechiKristu. Chinetso ndechokuti kufunga mashoko aJesu sohwaro hwegadziriro yokutonga kunopinza nyore nyore kumutemo nokutonga—matare navatongi; varume vari munzvimbo dzesimba kuti vape mitongo yakaomarara inochinja upenyu kune vamwe.

Usafunga kuti Zvapupu zvaJehovha ndizvo chete zvinoumba dare redzimhosva mukati mechitendero chazvo.

Yeuka kuti manyoro apakuvamba echiGiriki akanyorwa pasina kuganhurwa kweganhuro nenhamba dzendima—uye ikoku kunokosha—pasina kuganhurwa kwendima. Chii chinonzi ndima mumutauro wedu wemazuva ano? Inzira yekumaka kutanga kwepfungwa itsva.

Shanduro yese yeBhaibheri yandakatsvaga pa biblehub.com inoita kuti Mateo 18:15 ive kutanga kwendima itsva, sekunge ipfungwa nyowani. Bva, chiGiriki chinotanga neshoko rinobatanidza, chibatanidzo, sa“pamusoro pazvo” kana kuti “saka,” iro shanduro dzakawanda dzinokundikana kushandura.

Zvino tarira zvinoitika kumanzwisisiro aunoita mashoko aJesu patinobatanidza mashoko akapoteredza, kushandisa chibatanidzo, uye kudzivisa kutyora ndima.

( Mateu 18:12-17 2001Translation.org)

"Unofungei? Kana munhu ane makwai zana, asi rimwe chete rawo rikarasika, haangasiyi makumi mapfumbamwe nemapfumbamwe otsvaka anenge arasika mumakomo here? 'Zvino, kana akaiwana, ndinokuudzai, achafara kupfuura iyoyo kupfuura 100 dzisina kurasika! 'Ndizvo zvakaitawo Baba vangu vari kumatenga… Haadi kuti kunyange mumwe wevaduku ava aparare. Saka, kana hama yako ikakundikana, enda nayo parutivi, mukurukure muri moga; kana akakuteerera, uchawana hama yako. Asi kana akasakunzwa, unofanira kuuya nomumwe kana vaviri, kuti zvose zvinenge zvataurwa [naye] zvigosimbaradzwa nemiromo yezvapupu zviviri kana zvitatu. Zvisinei, kana akaramba kuvateerera, unofanira kutaura neungano. Kana akaramba kuteerera kunyange kereke, ngaave somuhedheni kana somuteresi pakati penyu.”

Ini handiwane hwaro hwehutongi hwehutongi kubva ipapo. Uno? Aiwa, chatinoona pano inzira yokuponesa nayo gwai rakarasika. Nzira yekuratidza nayo rudo rwaKristu mukuita zvatinofanira kuponesa hama kana hanzvadzi kubva pakurasikirwa naMwari.

Jesu paanoti, “kana [mutadzi] akakuteerera, wawana hama yako,” ari kutaura chinangwa chomuitiro uyu wose. Asi nokuteerera kwauri, mutadzi anenge achiteerera zvose zvauchataura. Kana akaita chivi chakakomba, kunyange mhosva, unenge uchimuudza zvaanofanira kuita kuti agadzirise zvinhu. Izvozvo zvinogona kunge zviri kuenda kuvakuru uye kureurura. Inogona kunge iri kudzorera kune vakakuvara. Ndinoreva kuti, panogona kunge paine huwandu hwemamiriro kubva pahudiki kusvika kune hunotyisa, uye imwe neimwe mamiriro angada mhinduro yawo.

Saka ngationgororei zvatawana kusvika parizvino. Pana Mateo 18 , Jesu ari kutaura kuvadzidzi vake, avo vaizova vana vakagamuchirwa vaMwari nokukurumidza. Haasi kugadza hurongwa hwekutonga. Panzvimbo pezvo, ari kuvaudza kuita semhuri, uye kana mumwe wavakoma vavo vomudzimu, mwana biyavo waMwari, akatadza, vanofanira kutevera uyu muitiro wokudzorera muKristu iyeyo munyasha dzaMwari. Asi zvakadini kana hama iyoyo kana kuti hanzvadzi ikasateerera kufunga? Kunyange kana ungano yose ikaungana kuti ipupurire kuti ari kuita zvakaipa, zvakadini kana ikasateerera? Ndoita sei ipapo? Jesu anoti ungano yevatendi inofanira kuona mutadzi semaonero aiita muJudha munhu wemamwe marudzi, Wemamwe Marudzi, kana kuti maonero avaizoita muteresi.

Asi izvozvo zvinorevei? Hatisi kuzomhanyira kumhedziso. Ngatiregei Bhaibheri richizivisa zvinorehwa nemashoko aJesu, uye ndiwo uchava musoro wevhidhiyo yedu inotevera.

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Ndatenda Eric,

Asi ndinoona zviri nyore kutendera Mweya Mutsvene kuti utitungamirire - Isaya 55.

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Nguva dzose ndakakuwana kuri nyore zvikuru kusanyengedzwa navarume kana kuti vakadzi kupfurikidza nokusabuda muHoro dzoUmambo namaChechi. Vese vanofanirwa kunge vaine zvikwangwani zvakanamirwa pamagonhi epamberi zvichinzi: "Pinda nengozi yako!"

Pisarema (VaF 1:27)

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Ndatenda!!!

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mhoro Eric. Zvose zviri nyore uye zvine musoro, uye zvakanyatsotsanangurwa. Makatiratidza kuti izvo Jesu akataura zvinogona kushandiswa nenzira yorudo pasina kubvumirana pane zvisina kufanira pamusoro pechiri chinhu chakarurama chokuita. Ko sei ndisina kuona izvi ndisati ndaona chiedza ? Pamwe nekuti ndakaita senge vazhinji, ndichitsvaga mitemo, uye mukuita izvi ndakafurirwa zvakanyanya nekududzirwa kwesangano reJW. Ndinoonga zvikuru kuti makatibatsira kufunga uye, ndinovimba, kuita zvakarurama. Hatidi mitemo. Tinongoda... Read more  »

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Chokwadi ndizvo. Uye ndiyo kiyi yekunzwisisa zvese zvakaitwa naJesu nezvaakataura, kunyangwe ini ndichiona zvimwe zvinhu pakutanga muBhaibheri zvakaoma kuenzanisa nerudo. Zvisinei, zvechokwadi Jesu ndiye muenzaniso wedu.

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