[From ws3/16 p. 3 for May 2-8]
“Who of you wanting to build a tower does not first sit down and calculate
the expense to see if he has enough to complete it?”—Luke 14:28
In the title, “young ones” is the phrase the publications of Jehovah’s Witnesses prefers to use instead of children or preteens. The title could accurately be reworded “Children, Are You Ready to Get Baptized”. Of late, the Governing Body has been promoting the idea that the children of Jehovah’s Witnesses should get baptized.
Before we get into this article’s subject matter, we do well to review what the Bible actually teaches us about baptism. From the Hebrew Scriptures, there is nothing. Baptism wasn’t part of the Israelite system of worship. It was only introduced as a requirement in the Christian Scriptures.
Before Jesus, John the Baptist baptized. However, his baptism was to pave the way for the Messiah, and was only in symbol of repentance from sin. (Ac 13:24)
Jesus changed that, introducing baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. (Mt 28:19) This differed from John’s in that it included baptism in holy spirit. (Ac 1:5; Ac 2:38-42)
Nowhere in the Bible do we see baptism as some sort of graduation ceremony granted following a long course of instruction and after passing a test in the form of a qualifying questionnaire. All that was required was belief in and acceptance of Christ. (Ac 8:12-13; Ac 8:34-39; Ac 9:17-19; Ac 10:44-48; Ac 16:27-34)
Baptism into Christ involves following his life course even unto death to receive the reward he received. (Ro 6:3, 4; 1Co 12:13; Ga 3:26-29; Eph 4:4-6)
Baptism follows repentance, but doesn’t require a period of time to elapse while we prove to ourselves and to God what we have desisted from all sin. In fact, it is done in recognition that we cannot free ourselves from sin. Rather, it is seen as a necessary step so that God has the basis to forgive us of our sins. (1Pe 3:20-21)
The Scriptures say nothing about making a vow or solemn promise to God as a prerequisite to baptism, nor is baptism presented as a public symbol that such a vow has been made in private.
Jesus, whose footsteps we are to follow closely, was baptized and “began his ministry” when he was “about thirty years old”. (1 Pe 2:21; Luke 3:23.) While in the case of Cornelius “all who heard the message” were baptized, as was ‘all the household’ of the jailer in Macedonia, no child is specifically shown to be baptized. (Acts 10:44, 48; 16:33.)
This is, in a nutshell, what the Bible teaches Christians about baptism. Let us bear all that in mind as we examine what the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses would have us and our children believe is required for baptism.
Paragraph 1
The article opens and concludes with the real-life example of a 12-year-old named Christopher. The success he has experienced in serving the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses is used to encourage other children to do the same.
Paragraph 2
“God’s Word indicates that the steps of dedication and baptism are the start of a life during which Christians will experience blessings from Jehovah but also opposition from Satan. (Prov. 10:22; 1 Pet. 5:8)” – Par. 2
If you remove the words “dedication and”, the sentence is true. The writer of the article expects the reader to accept that there is a Scriptural basis for dedication without having to provide the proof. As Jesus said, “Let the reader use discernment.” (Mt 24:15)
The paragraph directs us to read Luke 14:27-30, because we have to count the cost of discipleship, i.e., baptism. However, carrying the torture stake of Christ is something required of those who are baptized with Holy Spirit. JW doctrine says that the Other Sheep are not baptized with holy spirit, because this would mean they are anointed. So why is this Scripture being used since it doesn’t support the idea of dedication among the Other Sheep?
Paragraph 3
“It is a great privilege to get baptized as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” – Par. 3
This paragraph quotes Matthew 28:19-20 as proof, yet this Scripture speaks of being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Nothing is said about being baptized as a Jehovah’s Witnesses. Yet, the Governing Body added this requirement back in the 1980s, requiring those getting baptized to do so in the name of the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses. This is viewed as a privilege. The Bible never presents baptism as a privilege, but as a requirement.
To be sure, baptism opens the door to congregation “privileges” such as pioneering and even passing the microphone around. Such privileges serve as a carrot to lead horse-like new ones to baptismal water, so to speak.
Paragraph 4
“…baptism is an important and appropriate step for a young person who has manifested considerable maturity and has made a dedication to Jehovah.—Prov. 20:7.”
That is quite a statement, isn’t it? And as proof, they offer Proverbs 20:7 which says:
“The righteous one is walking in his integrity. Happy are his children who come after him.” (Pr 20:7)
If you can explain to me how this text supports the point being made in the article, please share it with me, as I’m baffled as to the relevance of this reference. And considering Jesus’ example and the fact that, for JWs, baptism is irrevocable and means accountability to the congregation judicial apparatus, it is a fair question whether baptism is appropriate for minors at all.
What’s Wrong with Dedication?
If at this stage you are saying, “But what’s your problem with being dedicated to Jehovah? Aren’t Christians supposed to dedicate their lives to God?”
Those are good questions based on an apparently logical assumption. But we must remember that what we think is right and necessary isn’t always what Jehovah knows is right and necessary. Recognizing that is the start of true submission to the will of God.
While the idea of dedication to God seems good and right, and making it a requirement before getting baptized might even seem logical, it is arrogance on the part of men to make it a requirement if it is not found in the Bible.
Paragraph 5 to 9
There is fine counsel in these paragraphs as long as the reader realizes that the will of Jehovah is not defined by an organization run by men, but by the Word of God, and that we should not apply the interpretation of men as if it were the Word of Jehovah.
Paragraph 10
“…baptism symbolizes that you made a solemn promise to Jehovah himself.” – Par. 10
Neither of the two Scriptures found in this paragraph proves this. Not even close. Moreover, this statement contradicts what is plainly stated by Peter about the significance of baptism. He says that it is the “request made to God for a clean conscience.” Neither he nor any other Bible writer says that it is a symbol of a solemn premise or vow made to God. In fact, there is nothing in the Christian Scriptures where the Father requires us to make a promise to him. (1Pe 3:20-21)
Is It Wrong to Preach Dedication Before Baptism?
Within the framework of Jehovah’s Witnesses teaching, the requirement to dedicate oneself to God makes sense. To JWs, Jehovah is the universal sovereign and the theme of the Bible is the vindication of that sovereignty. As we’ve seen here, the vindication of God’s sovereignty is not a Bible theme and the word “sovereignty” doesn’t even appear in the NWT Bible. The reason why the Governing Body continues to promote this teaching is explored here.
By imposing this requirement, the Organization reinforces the subservient role of the Other Sheep as God’s friends, but not his children. How so? Consider this: Should a young child always obey a loving parent, especially one who is a faithful servant of God? If you answer, Yes, then would you also expect that child to be dedicated to the Father? Would a loving father require that his children all swear allegiance to him? Would he require them to promise self-sacrificing dedication to his will? Is that what Jehovah expects from his universal family? Are angels all required to make a vow of dedication or allegiance to God? That may work in the “Sovereign with Subjects” scheme of government the Organization teaches, but in the “Father with Children” relationship God is seeking to restore, it doesn’t fit. What fits is obedience motivated by love, not the obligation to keep a promise.
Some may still counter that there is nothing wrong, nothing unscriptural, about requiring all Christians to make a vow, or as paragraph 10 puts it, “a solemn promise” to God.
Actually, that is not really true.
Jesus said:
“Again YOU heard that it was said to those of ancient times, ‘You must not swear without performing, but you must pay your vows to Jehovah.’ 34 However, I say to YOU: Do not swear at all, neither by heaven, because it is God’s throne; 35 nor by earth, because it is the footstool of his feet; nor by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor by your head must you swear, because you cannot turn one hair white or black. 37 Just let YOUR word Yes mean Yes, YOUR No, No; for what is in excess of these is from the wicked one.” (Mt 5:33-37)
Here we have an explicit command from Jesus not to swear, not to make vows or solemn promises. He says that making such vows comes from the wicked one. Is there somewhere in Scripture that Jesus introduces an exception to this rule? Somewhere that he says that the one vow or solemn promise that God requires of us is a vow of dedication to him? If not, then when a human religious authority tells us we have to do this, we should take Jesus at his word and admit that such a requirement comes “from the wicked one.”
Imposing this requirement is a recipe for guilt.
Say a father says to his young child, “Son, I want you to promise me you will never lie to me.” What child would not make that promise with the full intention of keeping it? Then come the teen years and inevitably the child lies to the father to cover up some wrongdoing. Now he’s burdened with not only the guilt from the lie, but that of the broken promise. Once a promise has been broken, it can never be unbroken.
Once broken, a promise is void.
So if we tie baptism to a solemn vow made to God, then fail to keep our dedication—even once—the promise is broken. Would that not render the baptism that symbolizes the promise null and void? Which matters more, the symbol or the thing it symbolizes?
This unscriptural teaching undermines the whole purpose of baptism which is “the request made to God for a clean conscience.” (1Pe 3:20-21) Jehovah knows we will fail him from time to time because “the flesh is weak”. He would not set us up for failure by requiring of us a promise that he knows we cannot keep.
Baptism is a public declaration that we have sided with Jesus, that we acknowledge him before men.
“Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens.” (Mt 10:32)
If we do that, then when we inevitably stumble, our baptism provides us with the basis to ask for forgiveness and have confidence it will be granted. Knowing we are forgiven gives us a clean conscience. We can move ahead free from guilt, in the joy of knowing our Father still loves us.
Paragraphs 16-18
What is behind this often repeated push for dedication prior to baptism?
Paragraph 16 uses Matthew 22:35-37 to show that our love for God must be wholehearted and whole-souled. Then paragraph 17 implies that Jehovah’s love is not free, but is a debt—something to be repaid.
“We owe Jehovah God and Jesus Christ…” (Par. 17)
Paragraph 18 then gets us to believing that this debt can be repaid by dedicated service to do God’s will.
“Do you appreciate what Jehovah has done for you? Then it would be fitting to dedicate your life to Jehovah and get baptized….Dedicating yourself to Jehovah and getting baptized do not make your life worse. On the contrary, serving Jehovah will make your life better. “ (Par. 18)
The effect of this subtle shift from love to service is that Witnesses commonly use the phrase, “whole-souled service to God”. Such a phrase does not appear in the Bible, and most Witnesses who utter it have Matthew 22:35-37 in mind, even though that Scripture speaks of love not service.
To witnesses, we show love to God by serving him.
To Whom Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Making a Dedication Vow?
The vow that the Watchtower is telling our children to make is a solemn promise to Jehovah to do his will. What is his will? Who defines his will?
Countless Witnesses have come home from a Regional Convention (formerly “District Convention”) wracked with guilt. They’ve heard accounts of single moms with two children who in spite of everything found the means to regular pioneer. They feel that they have not lived up to their dedication to God, their promise to give him “whole-souled service“, because they are not regular pioneers. Yet nowhere in the Bible is there a requirement to regular pioneer or to devote an arbitrary number of hours in the preaching work every month. This is not God’s will. This is the will of men, but we are made to believe it is what Jehovah wants and because we cannot give it, we are made to feel like we are breaking a promise made to God. Our Christian joy and freedom is converted into guilt and slavery to men.
As evidence of this shift in focus, consider these sidebar quotes and illustration captions from the April 1, 2006 Watchtower article, “Go and Make Disciples, Baptizing Them”.
The first lists the two questions you will be required to answer before all onlookers.
1) “On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?”
So you are required to have made the vow which Jesus forbids.
2) “Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization?”
So instead of being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, you are being baptized in the name of the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
[Picture on page 23]
“Dedication is a solemn promise made to Jehovah in prayer”
[Picture on page 25]
“Our preaching work demonstrates our dedication to God”
So preaching as directed by Jehovah’s Witnesses, which involves placing the literature and showing the videos that promote the teachings of the organization, is shown as the way to fulfill our solemn promise of dedication to God.
Perhaps it’s time for us all to take a hard look at the words of Song 62 from our Song Book:
To Whom Do We Belong?
To whom do you belong?
Which god do you now obey?
Your master is he to whom you bow.
He is your god; you serve him now.
You cannot serve two gods;
Both masters can never share
The love of your heart in its ev’ry part.
To neither you would be fair.
Sorry for this late post, but I was overloaded with work this week. It just so happened that I went to the meeting last Sunday out of curiosity. They handed me a WT (in Spanish). I discovered an interesting difference between the English and Spanish version. Firstly, in paragraph 3 it says in English: “Moreover, baptism is a requirement for Christians, and it is a vital step toward gaining salvation.” In Spanish it actually says that baptism is “necessary to survive the Great Tribulation.” Baptism and salvation are deep subjects, so for know I won’t disagree with the factuality of… Read more »
Interesting that the Spanish should vary so much from the English. You’re right about the scare tactic. Since Armageddon could strike at any moment and it is always just around the corner in JW mentality, kids will be motivated by that fear. I have a clear memory from the age of 6 of being worried about Armageddon, but taking comfort with the knowledge that I would survive on my parents’ coattails. It is so easy to manipulate kids and that is what we are seeing in these articles. Most telling is the complete absence of a Bible account of child… Read more »
Thanks again Y for your very thoughtful comments. When I served as elder I was so worried about people getting into something they didn’t fully understand that the question of whether it was my place to prevent them from publicly demonstrating their desire to serve God never occurred to me. It also surprises me how many brothers think that salvation can be denied on a technicality. You weren’t baptized yet, you weren’t reinstated yet, etc. Do they really worship a god who, on judgment day, basically says “You’re a nice guy and I’d love to give you eternal life, I… Read more »
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There are young ones who want to be like there idols..Sporting heroes entertainers parents. And there focused , they know their direction or goal in life is.So, If a young one want’s to follow Jesus, that’s not a bad thing really, and I now that’s not what is said. We know Jesus counselled his apostles to stop preventing the children from coming to him. “Then young children were brought to him for him to place his hands on them and offer prayer, but the disciples reprimanded them. Jesus, however, said: “Let the young children alone, and do not try to… Read more »
Andere, thanks and don’t worry about eloquence, cause I’m not that eloquent either. Your comment was excellent, understood and very important because it was in your own words, not someone else’s. So keep the comments coming. And exactly, what’s the rush when Christ looks at our heart condition? The “dunk” is just a confirmation of the love in the heart. Love grows and Christ can see where the love is at and project where it will reach. No rush there.
Much love
A few comments. First, nice article and nice comments. It’s so nice to hear different viewpoints on this matter. With regards to young ones getting baptized, I feel the matter relating to any child falls upon the parents. I’m not a parent, so I’ll be careful here and only say what my impression is from the scriptures and observing other families. One thing is clear, God has very carefully outlined the heavy responsibility that parents bear toward their children, to guide them, instruct them and protect them from harm. This includes harmful ideas or pressure from others that are outside… Read more »
Nice comment, Yehorakam.
Meleti do you think you and your co writers could offer up an article on life on Earth as God’s original purpose? It is a subject that causes me much grief… Thank you
It’s in the works. I’m on vacation right now, but once I get settled back into a normal routine, this is at the top of my agenda.
Thanks Meleti. I have been getting some understanding of that topic about the earth bit by reading through the archives.
also the other site related to this on – discussthetruth.com – has also helped me learn. It seems that we will be “changed” possibly in unimaginable ways…. I am very new and am still attending meetings, took the book study on Esther last night. Keeping things to myself and being cautious as a …..! Esther was also discreet. I’m taking things slowly whilst learning here.
David.
That’s definitely the way to do it, Dajo. I find that the difficulties I’ve created for myself have come from applying knee-jerk reactions to things that present themselves based on my JW upbringing. Now I try to sit back and think on things for some time before making a determination on a course of action. Good for you!
I fully share your sentiments, Y. If I could have been that eloquent, my comment above would’ve sounded more like a reminder than a reprimand. When I talk to young ones about marriage, I like to tell them that I did a great deal of my personal development in my early twenties. I’m sure glad I didn’t get married before then. How much more cautious should young ones be regarding baptism, since it is an act with eternal implications? And if children must obey their parents until they are old enough to move out, then the parents are necessarily responsible… Read more »
My view is very simple (simple guy :)) . Jesus was inspired from young age but was not baptised at a young age. Children do not need to carry the cross or burden of a follower of Christ. As long as they are under the authority of their parents, the parents carry that responsibility. Regardless the denomination they support. Once a child is baptised the responsibility for the actions of the child shifts from the parents to the religious organisation. That is never desirable nor the intention of Jesus. Therefore when a child leaves the control.of his parent (i.e. leave… Read more »
An excellent insight, Menrov.
Just mulling over the “dedicating our lives to Jehovah” aspect…. I agree there is no specific scripture linking baptism with dedication. But when I read this scripture, 2 Cor 5:14 For the love the Christ has compels us, because this is what we have concluded, that one man died for all; so, then, all had died. 15 And he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised up To me that message is something that should be understood, that when we accept Christ’s sacrifice, we… Read more »
Thanks for sharing these thoughts, LonelySheep. Your reference to 2 Cor 5:14, 15 resonated with me because Nicodemus and I have been trying to figure out what it means to be “in Christ”. The NWT renders this “in union with Christ”, likely as a result of a strong anti-Trinitarian bias. However, I think in doing so, they have deprived millions of a valuable insight into the Christian way of life, something which 2 Cor. 5:14, 15 points to. I was reading John 15 the other day in the King James Bible and the archaic wording of that version helped me… Read more »
John 15 appears to treat us abiding in Christ, Christ abiding in us, Christ’s words abiding in us, and the love of Christ and God abiding in us, as essentially equivalent. We must be mindful that John tends to be wordy and ponderous at times when he writes, but it does seem like these are all different ways of saying the same thing. To be “in Christ” appears to simply mean that we would live our lives in harmony with the words (the commands, teachings and example) of Christ and demonstrate a reflection of the love of Christ, as he… Read more »
Leaving the ‘truth’ or rather escaping from a cult like organisation of indoctrination and brainwashing… is extremely traumatic and painful… It is indeed a grieving process. At first it is almost impossible to believe you were wrong about something you knew to be so right…. Right? After all didn’t you study and delve and research? However way back then there was no or little access to the internet or experiences from individuals such as Raymond Franz.. Later after the fog lifts and the anger settles in you ask yourself …. ‘How indeed in ‘God’s green earth’ did I ever become… Read more »
I can relate to everything you said Karen….
Love to you
Sister billy
Not sure how my email address was posted … didn’t mean that to happen ..oops Thank you Billy and 1984 .. To Robert I say … I understand your anger, it is warranted … There are good loving people within this organisation who truly believe they serve Jehovah, they believe that baptism is their outward dedication to their God.. Not to be baptised would mean to be left behind so to speak and everyone wants to get into that new system Right? They truly believe everything the WT prints because they are told NOT to read anything else… Such is… Read more »
Hi Karen,
The reason your email is posted is that when you registered, you used your email as your username. I can edit most things on an account, but WordPress does not allow me to change a user name. If you like, make a copy of all your comments and then create a new username (a new registration) and repost all your comments under it then send me an email (meleti.vivlon@gmail.com) and I’ll delete the old comments and your old login.
Karen thanks Meleti
Well said Karen, so eloquently expressed – I relate to everything you said. There is healing in every word, thank you. And thank you again Meleti, such a good article.
I might add – a sister I know felt pressured into having her children being baptized early and regrets she allowed it to happen
It bothers me when I see children being used in the WT publications for promoting the preaching work – how does a child have the capacity to accept all the ideology of the WT organization! – nothing wrong with bringing up ones children with bible principles and guidance I was shocked a few years ago when these new baptism questions were brought to my attention as I hadn’t realized the change – I’m glad I got baptized before the change – not sure how one handles this situation now Jesus didn’t get baptized till he was 30 – that says… Read more »
Wow, When men direct their own steps they just ruin everything. I have a friend who’s been an elder for over 30 years and his son is not baptized. He always felt a distrust for his son when it came to spirituality for fear of yes you quest it, that he would get disfellowshipped His son did associate with the congregation and even went out on service did everything required, but never got baptized. Ah yes this astute mans thoughts came to be true, his son while living in another city committed fornication with a young girl that was studying… Read more »
Excellent review of a typical Jw watchtower that trys to make, the Jw look good, we all know that the 80 plus questions ( excuse me if it is 70 questions) before you get dunked in the pool are very scriptural.. Oh Yes!!!? Like all heck they are, but hey why not, we know the Ethiopian enuch had to answer all the questions and had to do a book study of this Jw magazines, even if they Never used the Name Jehovah back then and they had not the completed Bible or Scriptures, . Also in Mark 1:4 and also… Read more »
How on God’s green earth did we ever accept this nonsense?! If I had a choice to deliver a talk at the kingdom hall to prove that this is not the truth, this would be the topic. This is blatantly, a made up story or to put it frankly, a lie. So then, why did we accept it? Quite simple. If you are a born-in, and you get baptized young, you never had a chance to study this matter. And besides, aren’t the older ones more wise? Obviously they know better than you. Right? If you were a Bible study,… Read more »
You pose the question as to whether the children of Jehovah’s Witnesses should be baptized. The larger question is, should anyone at all be baptized and become one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The answer to both questions is No. Forgive me for being blunt, but the religion of the Watchtower corporation is one based on lies and blasphemy. It dishonors God, trivializes the role of Christ, and indoctrinates their members into becoming mere followers of the commands of men. Worse, the governing body, in commanding absolute obedience to themselves, and by stating that understanding of divine revelation and salvation and life… Read more »
The question raised early in this article was “whether baptism is appropriate for minors at all”. This would apply to any individual, regardless of denomination. It is an especially serious question for JWs, since baptism puts children under the power of the organization and is irrevocable. Countless adult disfellowshipped ones have little to zero contact with their parents, while their non-JW siblings can freely see or talk to their parents just because, for whatever reason, they had the good fortune to not be baptized. So, even if we don’t think outside the bigger box of the JW take on baptism,… Read more »
Thank you, Andere, for this thoughtful comment. As I was reading it, I was reminded of this Scripture: “. . .For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to [his] wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, YOUR children would really be unclean, but now they are holy.” (1Co 7:14) If the children were baptized, it would make no difference what the parents’ standing before God was. The children would be holy by virtue of their baptism. To me, this passage implies that the accepted practice back then was for adult baptism. Children were made holy… Read more »
Andere, I was in fact concerned about submitting my comments due to possible reactions such as yours; that’s why I prefaced it with an apology for the blunt aspect of it. However, my words were not idly chosen. For example, with respect to “lies”, the WT has known since at least 1922 that there was no historical basis to believe Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BC. They published a series of WT articles admitting as much. Yet, instead of facing the facts, they demean any historians who disagree with their dogmatic position, because they made an organizational commitment to it,… Read more »
I appreciate your honestly expressed thoughts Robert. I didn’t disallow your comment because I felt it entered into a gray area and I want to be careful not to stifle sincere expression of perceived truth. I’m not suggesting that what you’ve said is false. Andere was expressing nicely the desire we have to preserve a tone that is inviting to those only starting to wake up. There is a way of expressing honestly the things we have learned which also seasons the words to make them more palatable to those not yet ready for the whole truth. (John 16:12) Perhaps… Read more »
Robert, your upvotes show that some people like your comment. But I don’t agree that JW’s are guilty before God because of being baptized. Nobody who gets baptized knows the WT’s past like your do; that takes a lot of time and study. Most people who get baptized as Witness THINK they are joining God’s organization. They are doing what they should based on what they know. In an ideal world, if our guardian angels whispered in our ears to protect us from mistakes, nobody would get baptized into a religion with faults as serious as those of the WT.… Read more »
Excellent points, Thomas. Some have suggested that we use this site to start up our own group, but that would inevitably lead to the very thing we are fleeing, the rule of man. Hebrews 10:25 doesn’t mandate membership in an organization, but fellowship with other Christians. We’ve already started doing that and it is very enjoyable and upbuilding.
thomas, you raise an interesting point. Is it possible to leave Jehovah’s Witnesses without the need of “joining” any organized religion? Our salvation only requires faith. Faith is believing in something that you cannot see or prove, else if we had proof, it would not require faith. Based on what I have read in God’s Word, I believe that Jesus is my Saviour which means that I have a private, personal, individual relationship with Jesus Christ. I don’t need a building, a governing body or other people in order to have that intimate relationship. Hebrews 10:25 does not state a… Read more »